What exactly is a Neo-con?

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I was trying to explain this to a friend as he was saying I was somehow anti-semitic for using such language. I know who they are, Chenney, Rumsfield Gingrich and so on, but what are they. Imperialist foreign policy "spreading" democracy by force in order to have peace, but what else? Thanks everyone.

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Learn about Neo Conservativism Here:

Learn about Neo Conservativism Here:

http://www.meetup.com/RLCNF-org/pages/Neo-_Conservativism/

neocon =

Warmongering, big government, willing to use state force for various measures, usually socially conservative (or at least pandering to those who are), happy with state abuse of civil liberties, believes in Keynesian economics and supports the Federal Reserve.

I would say these are the key factors that define a neo-con in comparison to an actual principled supporter of limited government.

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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity

A neo-con is generally someone who was once a Democrat

and believes in meddlesome wars and military actions. They adhere to the doctrine of the Imperial Presidency. They are at heart, statists. Some may be socially conservative, but not necessarily.

They are primarily defined by their lust for a strong central government and their propensity to kill and murder people who are not Americans to make them give us unfettered access to their economy and resources.

In campaigns, they talk to the Libertarian corner of the political Nolan Chart. The only way they can win elections is to move this direction to capture centrists and libertarians. But in governing they slide straight down to the Statist corner. Some stay to the right of center, others to the left, but definitely statist.

In other nations they are called fascists and communists. (we aren't allowed to call them that here. In Amerika, only people who are opposed to Jews or to Israel are classified as fascist and only people who sympathize with the former Soviet Union are classified as communists - actual behavior and ideology is not relevant in Amerika)

neo-con is a liberal

Neo-con is like a liberal. They believe in big government dictating what should be done. The only difference is what should be done are "conservative" social issues like gay marriage and abortion, where the government dictates your morality on these issues.

Other than that, they are the same. Big govt, ruin the economy, and perpetual war for perpetual peace.

A neo-con is ...

the American Interpretation of Fabianism.

Neocons prefer force and persuasion rather than persuasion only.

And they prefer an oligarchy rather than socialism.

But, basically, the philosophy of incrementalism and state planning is the same.

It is an adaptation of John Maynard Keynes philosophy and is a tool to win votes and power.

Pirated and modified to suit its needs.

If you disagree ... ask them.

They will unanamously agree that they are Keynesians.

start with this

http://www.examiner.com/x-14766-Charleston-Ron-Paul-Examiner...

Be sure to follow all the links and get the background connecting all the dots...

The Easy Start

Before getting into the Strauss/Chicago school and communism - you can start by just breaking down the term. "Neo" prefix means "fake" - for example when you put "Neoclassic" columns on a building, they are fake classic, not new. So, the term itself means "fake conservative" (no matter what Wikipedia says).

They are fake because they use social issues like gay marriage and abortion for their selected demographic, and tie thier political philosophies of a strong and unquestioned centralized government with moral and cultural issues.

In association with The Family, they used the born-again Christian movement and new technologies of television in the 50's and 60's to advance the tactic. That is why the rise of Neoconservativism and the rise of the born-again cults coincide. It is also not a coincidence that at the same time they added "In God We Trust" on money and added "under God" in the pledge of allegience. They knew that if they created a partnership between religious philosophies and their goals of imperialism/nationalism they would advance much more quickly and people would be less inclined to doubt their "leaders".

Just another way of looking at it - but Big T already summed up thier basic world view (Nicely done by the way).

www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."

What is a Neo-con?

Neo conservative is a purposely misleading label. There is nothing conservative about these people they are Statists first, last and always.
They believe that citizens are born with one moral purpose …to serve the state. Their ideology flows from Trotsky, Leo Strauss with a Machiavellian twist.
When you peal away the packaging it is evil, scary evil.
rn

Liberty = Responsibility

Wikipedia is an excellent source for what is a neo con:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

Very interesting. They are 'Straussians'. Who is Strauss?

He was a trotskyite....

And also a mentor to Wolfowitz and several other Bushies

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

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"Wobbles but doesn't fall down" - weebles

What is a neo?

A person who operates under the guise and rubric of the conservative label, while desiring to use the power of the state to be the central organizing principle over all of society.

I would sum up

neocons are "liberals" (STATISTS) with professed "conservative" social values. They believe in big government - domestic government intervention, as well as foreign interventionism (nation-building, policing the world) - which are traditional "liberal" positions.

But they cap it off with "conservative" social "values" - or posture that way.

The Power of Nightmares documentary

The Power of Nightmares
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/120200

Neo-CONNED speech by Ron Paul

Neo-CONNED is a speech Ron Paul gave on the house floor July 10, 2003

Google Video, 51 min:
http://tinyurl.com/Ron-Paul-on-neocons

I generally use the Neocon's own words

for this, written by the "Godfather of Neoconservatism" himself, Irving Kristol.

Here's a link to his essay on it, in the Neocon banner publication, "The Weekly Standard".

http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/00...

I would point out the parts that I consider "key".
The quoted parts are excerpts from the article, and are Irving Kristol's own words. He's defining it for all to see. I added the bold for emphasis.

First, who they are:
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"ever since its origin among disillusioned liberal intellectuals in the 1970s, what we call neoconservatism has been one of those intellectual undercurrents that surface only intermittently."
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They are LIBERALS.

Second, their goal:
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"the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy."
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Their goals are to infiltrate and convert the Republican Party and conservatives into their way of thinking for a "democracy", not a Republic.
Their "new kind" of conservative politics is NOT "conservative" at all, but is LIBERAL and IMPERIAL, and they try to use "conservative rhetoric" to hide their true intentions.

So, they reveal themselves to be LIBERALS, who's goals are to infiltrate and take over the Republican Party and the conservatives in general, for their own purposes.
And that's exactly what they have done.

The roots go back to Trotsky, and Wilson, and Strauss.
That's where the philosophy of these Neocons is rooted.
Basically, it's Imperialist Socialism, with "lip service" to the ideas of fiscal sanity and conservative domestic agenda, in order to facilitate their take-over.
As we've seen, they often "talk libertarian" when they are out of power, but when they get into power, then reveal the extreme statists and warmongers that they are.
Part of the Communist philosophy, hearkening back to their Trotskyite roots, is pragmatism. "The ends justify the means".
So, they have no compunction to lie, cheat, steal, or whatever, to get to their goals. "False flags" too, perhaps?
They CANNOT be trusted, and we have seen this over and over.

The Neocons policies are massive gov't, socialist domestic policies, and permanent Imperialist wars, whilst giving this "lip service" to the buffoons who believe their lies, about being "conservative Republicans", or whatever moniker you wish to give the "paleo-conservatives" like Ron Paul.
It's part of their scheme of infiltration. They can't come right out and say what they are in public view, so they hide behind a mask to further their goals with infiltration.

Yah..

They are liberals acting undercover to subvert true conservatism...

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"Wobbles but doesn't fall down" - weebles

Big T, Thanks!

That is a concise, easy to use explanation,

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon

Neoconservatism is a political philosophy that emerged in the United States of America, and which supports using American economic and military power to bring liberalism, democracy, and human rights to other countries.[1][2][3] Consequently the term is chiefly applicable to certain Americans and their strong supporters. In economics, unlike traditionalist conservatives, neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

"New" conservatives initially approached this view from the political left. The forerunners of neoconservatism were most often socialists or sometimes liberals who strongly supported the Allied cause in World War II, and who were influenced by the Great Depression-era ideas of the New Deal, trade unionism, and Trotskyism, particularly those who followed the political ideas of Max Shachtman.[citation needed] A number of future neoconservatives, such as Jeane Kirkpatrick,[citation needed] were Shachtmanites in their youth; some were later involved with Social Democrats USA.

Michael Lind, a self-described former neoconservative, explained:[22]

Neoconservatism... originated in the 1970s as a movement of anti-Soviet liberals and social democrats in the tradition of Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Humphrey and Henry ('Scoop') Jackson, many of whom preferred to call themselves 'paleoliberals.' [After the end of the Cold War]... many 'paleoliberals' drifted back to the Democratic center... Today's neocons are a shrunken remnant of the original broad neocon coalition. Nevertheless, the origins of their ideology on the left are still apparent. The fact that most of the younger neocons were never on the left is irrelevant; they are the intellectual (and, in the case of William Kristol and John Podhoretz, the literal) heirs of older ex-leftists.

In other words, neoconservatives are big govt, big-spending warmongers who originated from the left and communism in the 40 and 50's and in the 1970's took up roost in the republican party where they slowly began to push out traditional american conservatives who believed in small-govt, jeffersonian republicanism and non-interventionism.

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"Wobbles but doesn't fall down" - weebles

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I wouldn't mind a better definition myself.