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How should Alex Jones/ Medina reclaim their good names?

Submitted by Promisekept on Wed, 02/24/2010 - 11:45
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When Mark Davis asked Debra Medina "to settle once and for all this whole 9/11 truther issue", I prepared myself for what I knew would be a vicious second-tower attack. What followed was more like the Pentagon event.

Davis required the radio equivalent of a gang initiation where Medina was to say, with a certain level of sincerity, and even cheerfulness if she could pull it off, that she believed that the character and good name of anyone, and everyone, who has ever formed a question and/or opinion contrary enough to the official gov. position, ought to be, "once and for all", called out as "despicable" low-lifes. He then wanted her to heartily agree with him then and there. It sure seemed gangsta to me.

This time Debra was apparently ready to give in and speak out against the character and motives of people she didn't know, and trashed Texans and non-Texans alike.

Not so with Jones. He's nearly always delivered the same quality of due-diligence and accountability to his word. He has consistantly paid the price of admission to fight in the arena he has conscientiously chosen to take a well-earned position in. If he didn't defend the value of a good name, I would have thought much less of him for having failed to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anry0ioR2UA

After I heard him out, and considered the honor of my own name and good will for the hours of of typing and conversations I've had with others in support of them both, I had to agree that if I didn't draw the line as fair as I could on this, my good name would suffer as well as his.

Many of us gave much more time and money than we could reasonably afford to Debras' campaign, in part, because of the connection we made with her during favorable interviews on Alex Jones' show. If the sacrifices of so many could be offered on the alter of "electability", and lit by that "despicable" fire, then I have to question who is being served by it?

I will redirect the financial support I would have wanted to send to Debra, and give a few friends some full-year subscriptions to http://prisonplanet.tv, to help make up for the misdirected boycott some have suggested here, instead.

I will pray for Debra, and send her a copy of this. Unless she can find an apology that clarifies who, and who is NOT, despicable, then I believe her judgment on virtually every well-spoken position she has taken ought to be taken lightly, if at all.

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CORRECTION: I confused Mark DAVIS with Mark Belling earlier in this thread and a few posts that I found in doing my own fact-checking. I have since corrected them. Funny, no one noticed or pointed it out . Apologies to Mr. Belling, it's DAVIS who deserves the blame on his bad here.

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Huh.

Submitted by Devon_Saunders on Sat, 02/27/2010 - 11:02.

You call it ~good~... I call Alex's part of that just theft.

After all, he did steal the idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JHqB7w9WSI

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Beware of "false" prophets -- Alex Jones is NO PROPHET

Submitted by OctoBox on Sat, 02/27/2010 - 10:57.

There was nothing prophetorial in that clip.

I predicted to friends and family in 2000 that Bush was looking for a false-flag; starting with that Spy plane over China.

Did that make me a "prophet?"

It was Bush -- Neocons and Progressives are very quick to War.

His bin Laden reference and the WTC reference were based on logical passed "happenings" -- It was no secret that the gov't at that time was running "terrorist drills" over and around NYC / Manhattan.

Now if Jones said Kim Jung Ill was going to bring down the Space-Needle -- and it happened; that would of been some prophetorial ish.

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Prophets are held to a higher standard than talk-show hosts

Submitted by Promisekept on Sat, 02/27/2010 - 22:00.

When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him. De 18:22

Prophets had to deliver Gods' word with 100% accuracy, because if, " the thing follow not, nor come to pass", then they made it up themselves: you shouldn't care what they say, no matter how religious they sound.

Talk-show hosts only have to appeal to enough commercial supporters, and, in Alexs' case, self-funded video production and sales, to pay for their means to step up to the microphone. They have to persuade their audience to pay attention to their content, and trust them as a source, if they want to keep as broad an audience as they can reasonably appeal to.

Politicians differ from both because campaign promises and policy positions need only sound sincere, and look "good enough", for enough votes to get into office. Then everything is to be doubted and expected to be false, UNLESS a proven-character track-record like Dr. Pauls', allows hope for more trustworthiness.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

I think everyone has a right

Submitted by Infospill.com on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 21:48.

I think everyone has a right to answer to this thread so please don't close it, JUST KIDDING YOU ARE despicable IF YOU POST YOUR ANSWERS OR COMMENT TO ANYTHING ON MY POST OR ANYTHING ON DAILY PAUL. Once again you are despicable if you do! Now please don't get offended by this post because if you do then you will be just like alex jones that bad man who confronts 2 faced politics.

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Alex is no different from ever

Submitted by m72mc on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:57.

If no Alex

I would know nothing of Ron Paul
I would know nothing of gold
I would know nothing of silver
I would still be far away from this site..

I think this should just die as issue... cause well at least for me, I don´t care all that much..

It´s just a Texas race anyway...

Not belittling, just I live a world away..

I do wish her the best and victory..

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/Mike

Front Fell Off
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Alex Jones

Submitted by Crunchy on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 22:13.

is a phoney. He is a con man. He screams and rants, but offers no solutions. He disrupt and ridiculize freedom movements. That sounds like an enemy and not a friend. Beware of the wolf in sheep clothes.

If no Alex Jones -- All of you would STILL know Ron Paul

Submitted by OctoBox on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 21:24.

Don't sell your sense of liberty to the loudest speaker (in this case Alex Jones).

YOU -- You discovered Alex Jones who then turned you on to Ron Paul because no man is 100% Evil or Stupid; the latter does mean he is wise or deserves credit for pointing out the logical "goodness" of Dr. Paul; when it suits him.

I like Adams -- but I can't take any credit for pointing people to his quotes, can I?

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We only know people by the quality and quantity of time that we

Submitted by Promisekept on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 23:09.

give and receive one with another.

I'm not saying that I've always been the most patient listener, or effective communicator, by any stretch, but for all the years of honing those skills to this day, on this site, I can humbly confess that this thread has stretched me, in healthy ways, to new limits.

I have always sought to express an essential Liberty theme in my threads and posts, that would appeal to the broadest audience I could reach by the words and phrasings I chose to be both sincere and succinct.

I have also tried to simply be me, so that if we ever met face to face, we could interact with the same voice and body language as we have written of ourselves here.

Of course, we don't want to be too autobiographical, but some key elements of who we are cannot help but be noticed, and hopefully appreciated.

I have tried in my writings here, to honestly express my appreciation for what I have received from Dr. Ron Paul, Alex Jones, Debra Medina, Judge Andrew Napolitano, Barry Cooper, and many others because of the unique facets in the gem of Liberty, they have reflected their light to me. I was attracted, not forced, to look beyond them to their Source.

I only took this on because of a deep love for who they are, "warts and all", and who I am, being true to myself as well.

I tried to wrap this up this morning, but as long as this is edifying to Liberty and to Debra Medinas' witness, whether she chooses to input or not, I will continue to offer whatever time and talent I can muster to reply.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

alex jones un-masked

Submitted by skibum on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:50.

please click on that topic and see the real alex jones

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it's all downhill from here !

Nothing needed.

Submitted by BigT on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:35.

This isn't going to affect the election for Medina, and Alex thrives on controversy.

It's all blown WAY out of proportion.

People in Texas will vote for Medina, based on what she can do for Texas, as Governor.

People who were "appalled" that she might have had "truther thoughts" are all NEOCONS, and would never have voted for her anyway.
This is why appeasement never works. You bend over backwards to appease them, and they vote for your opponent anyway, just like they were always going to do.
The idea that you can "gain votes or support" by doing this is pure fantasy.

Alex's core audience is the conspiracy theorists.

Submitted by jocean on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:00.

If he didn't attack Medina, he would lose credibility among his most supportive audience. In order to be considered genuine he can't be seen by his listeners as sacrificing his dedication to conspiracy theory for ANYTHING, not matter who he hurts in the process.

This doesn't hurt is so-called "good name" among his core audience, but only reaffirms it. He's just doing his job, playing the part of the character he's created.

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I would expect Rand to understand,

Submitted by Promisekept on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:10.

what you fail to CONSIDER; but if you purposely chose to misread me, I'll let RJ Harris and Debra decide my merits, and accept your dismissal for whatever you think about "ANYTHING".

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

I know Debra Medina didn't

Submitted by netzorro on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:49.

I know Debra Medina didn't loose her good name.
A bunch of creeps are trying as hard as they can to drag her through the mud.

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“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams

You "know" no such thing

Submitted by Promisekept on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:01.

See legal definition vs vernacular in post below.

No "mud" intended, just the kind of brush fires, old Sam was talking about.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

Yea, I do "KNOW", after

Submitted by netzorro on Sat, 02/27/2010 - 08:54.

Yea, I do "KNOW", after spending 10/12 hrs a day, for the last 60 days, in the field putting up and delivering over 2500 Medina signs from Tyler to Texaskana and interacting with people from all walks of life, most of which could care less about the Beck/Jones clowns, Debras name is in good standing.
Take your legal\smegal, vernacular/smanacular BS somewhere else.

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“It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds”
-Sam Adams

To answer the original question

Submitted by VR on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:20.

would be to assume that either individual had lost their good name. I say nay.

A "good name" has both a legal and a vernacular definition

Submitted by Promisekept on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 16:29.

I was referring to the legal definition. That's the one used to define slander damages against private individuals.

It's easy to mistake popularity as the vernacular synonym. Both Alex and Debra are "good enough" in that sense.

I was pointing out how a group of individuals was slandered by her false witness, and by this, far more are damaged by what was done than may have been politically calculated as acceptable collateral damage, because it alienated some those who had/have no opinion on "9/11 truthers" or Alex Jones, who may wonder now if they may next to be innocently charged falsely.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

I will respectfully close this thread with this

Submitted by Promisekept on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:03.

RJ and Debra, Whether you want to acknowledge this thread, or not, is fine. I've offered my testimony as carefully, thoughtfully, and even prayerfully, as I possibly could.

If I may, I'll lift a closing comment that I made on another thread:

"I knew it would be a hard to get folks attention to focus on this clearly enough to win a point that could help us reconcile what really happened in the Davis interview, with where do we go from here.

That was the purpose of my thread, and I worked hard to give an appropriate answer to nearly ever post that I could, for the honor of my own name and that of others who understand the damage done. Debra Medina still deserves to win on other merits, but she sacrificed a lot of good will by leaving this as is."

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

It should be noted that AJ

Submitted by MEGAMERICAN on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:15.

It should be noted that AJ has said for the past two days that people should go out and vote for Medina, but that he has a right to be angry for what she did and I agree and hope people vote for her.

Of course he has said that

Submitted by Neverquit on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:32.

Of course he has said that because of the major blowback by his own supporters, he is now trying to save face because his stunt has actually backfired and people are questioning his motive and good for them.

This isn't the first time he has pulled this type of crap that involved liberty events and candidates.

For Medina it's easy; she stumbled

Submitted by reedr3v on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 15:23.

and was sabotaged, we all err.
For AJ it's harder: this is not the first time he's sandbagged our liberty people. Recently he's been terrible, first crashing and ruining a grassroots liberty rally and insulting the sound, good organizers -- and now this trash talk about Medina making a brief error of speech.
AJ has some deep apologizing overdue.

Agreed, except for the "redeeming" slight

Submitted by Promisekept on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 14:50.

I'm sorry some will boycott themselves into missing this great interview.

Lindsy Williams is starting up, but no doubt someone will discount him here also, because the exclusive breaking news Williams is giving on his show is being broken there first right NOW.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

Alex can't reclaim his good name

Submitted by Texas Little El on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 14:08.

He has done this before with his good friend Mike Hanson who was running for office.

Yet again, Alex says we have to take back congress, state and local offices, but when it came time for Mr. Jones to put up or shut up, he failed.

One minor endorsement from Alex would have given Mike the money needed to compete against the big guys. What does Alex do....... says that he won't ALLOW Mike to use his name at all and that he may NOT run ads on GCN, (the internet station) that Alex was on at the time.

Alex is a blow hard and opportunist. It's all about Alex and not what REALLY is important.

Enough videos of Alex Jones taking over someone elses protests are out there. If he isn't in the limelight, then Alex won't show.

Texas Little .....

Submitted by Jefferson on Fri, 02/26/2010 - 15:51.

You have written truth here. I personally witnessed that.

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Response to the OP Title (didn't feel like reading all that)

Submitted by OctoBox on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 14:03.

Question: How should Alex Jones/ Medina reclaim their good names?

Answer: Get out of politics

You cannot be "pure" less you come from a "pure" (or nearly pure) District or State -- You will sacrifice your morality and ethics at some point.

Ron Paul would not win one other District in the U.S; which is why no other District has a Ron Paul (or someone even close).

If we had RP type Civilians would we need RP Type "leaders" or would the maturity to self-rule be finalized (in that equation).

Our leadership is an outgrowth of our civilian population -- less you think they are created in a vacuum, hahahaha?

We must focus on the individual and created a movement that can't be replicated and is very sticky.

A brief study of human desire and needs is needed.

#1 Self-Health (is needed by not highly prioritized)
#2 Self-Wealth (is needed and prioritized haphazzardly)
#3 Self-Rule (is not understood at all)
#4 Sexuality (is the primary emotional root knot for all people age 14-50)
#5 Emotionalism (rules the body and mind)
#6 Entertainment (is needed and prioritized)
#7 Drug Numbing (is not needed but practiced because all other areas above are off).
#8 Self-Love (hahahahahaha -- 'nuff said)

If we create a movement that addresses these problems at a higher level then one the Gov't or some Corporatist Agent can create then we win.

Of course we must have a goal over why we are "leading" this many people and we must thouroughly understand what a free-market looks like.

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Obviously not a reply

Submitted by Promisekept on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 14:40.

but you can post your comments wherever you like.

Since it has little-to-nothing-to-do with this thread, I'll save my comments for those that do.

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For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry

Promisekept: You should read before you slight.

Submitted by OctoBox on Thu, 02/25/2010 - 15:26.

I said it was a response to the "OP Title" -- it was very clear.

In the first few lines I then "answered" the OP Title Question, hahahaha.

How did you miss that -- I even quoted the OP Title Question, smile.

I was not answering nor did I even read the OP "Thread" and thanks for confirming I'm free to post as I wish; I've been here over 2 years and I was un-aware of this.

Way to go "Kismet" hahahaha.

I'm teasing you -- I have no ill-will towards you and think you are a fine human being with the best of intentions.

*ceremonial bow*

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Sewer surfing

Submitted by Aussie on Wed, 02/24/2010 - 22:04.

Medina doesn't want the 911 diversion to affect her chance of victory. She is going with the flow of media PR hysteria. It seems clear to me she would actually support a re-investigation of 911 if it didn't interfere with mainstream media access for this election. Same as Rand Paul accepting Palin's nomination. They are surfing the media sewers hoping to make it to the end of the pipe. Sometimes you win sometimes you get covered in stink.

Fair enough that Alex Jones has to say something given his history behind 911 truth. But he could have waited till after the election. One has to be strategical. Who does he want to win Perry or Hutchinson? Alex is not dumb, so given that he blasted Medina at this time, it looks like this is one example of Alex coming out of deep cover to make a strike against the Constitionalists, which he only reserves for special occasions. Therefore Debra must really be coming home strong. Excellent :-)