Can someone please give me some advice?
Hi DP'ers... I just lost my job (have been there on and off for 12 years - so, now I am actively looking for a job but have a lot more time on my hands to do what I have been meaning to do for some time. I need to get started on survival methods. I have been actively reading and researching and it seems very overwhelming. I have been making lists etc (survivalblog.com) but I am definately not in a position to have a "survival retreat" that I can go to w/my family/friends (who, btw think I am crazy). I am going to start a large garden (I live in south central Florida- not in a large city, but more like your typical middle to upper middle class residential area) - I am currently staying w/family friends who are lucky enough to own a lg house My mom and I moved down here for my crappy job that just let me go last week! Regardless, there are 2 senior citizens here, a man on disability who can not lift/do a lot of hard labor for an extended period of time his wife who uses a walker to get around (stroke) and me. Where do you guys think I should start and what would be your priorities given my situation? Any help would be most sincerely appreciated.
Thank you so much!





















Garden for food
Definitely start a garden. We started our first garden last year. We had plenty of tomatoes, variety of squashes, zucchini, peppers, carrots, egg plant, and lettuce. We are still eating some of our produce. It was a small garden but you can't believe the number of meals it gave us for pennies.
Plant items that will last in a root cellar where they can keep cool. Invest in a freezer for produce that can't be kept in a root cellar. Stock up on meat (chicken, beef etc.). You may be able to use some of your extra food for bartering!
A generator would also be a wise investment to backup the freezer. In Ohio we can put the frozen food out in the snow if necessary. :)
Help the senior citizens in your neighborhood, they will probably pay you "cash".
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My first order of business would be to actually delve into what it means to "survive" and the techniques associated with survival, either shelter, agriculture, hunting, self defense, etc.
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Hi pityocamptes!
I have actually already been to your site! I only browsed, but found good stuff there! but does it lean more toward surviving when you have to "bug out"? I realize there may be a need for that but w/4 people who can't "run" for various physical reasons living here, I want to start doing things here at home base 1st? Does your site have anything that might be helpful along those lines?
Thanks for the input!!!
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Definitely keep looking for
Definitely keep looking for work or a way to make extra money as that can obviously be put towards better preparations. I like the idea that others mentioned about doing work for seniors who need a bit of help.
About your "survival" preparations and the view that your family/friends who live with you take on that, you should try to get them on your side. It's probably best not to worry them about things getting so bad, etc. I would even recommend not even referring to it as "survival" but instead talk about "self sufficiency."
The term "survival" might push them away if you talk about it in terms of the very bad times that we are probably heading into. When you instead talk about "self sufficiency" that might actually help to draw them in. You could talk about how nice it would be if you all could save a bit of money this year by growing some fresh food in your garden. That it would make the seniors in your household a little less reliant on social security, etc. You might even mention once in a while, when you all see it talked about on TV, that even if the economy gets much worse at least your family has a garden with virtually free food and some extra tucked away.
So go with "self sufficiency" and be gentle about it, I think it will help draw your family in to the concepts. The additional help from them will also be nice and I bet the seniors will probably appreciate doing a bit of vegetable garden work. They could help with getting your seedlings ready, maybe have a few houseplants that they can take care of and maybe they could help with saving food scraps for composting.
I bet they would really like having an area to sit which is near or in view of the garden. Plant a few colorful flowers and maybe some of those giant sunflowers as it all would be nice to look at. If you have hummingbirds nearby, maybe get a feeder or two or plant something that will attract them.
And when you're garden is really rocking, don't mention that you're all now ready for TEOTWAWKI but rather just ask if everyone thinks the veggies from the garden that you all have been working on taste better than the ones from the store.
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Or...
"self-reliance"
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great ideas!!
thank you very much!
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Helping seniors
Is a very good idea,A couple of times I was down and out and pretty hungry.But I did have a good running vehicle,so I rounded up several ice chests and started taking shopping lists from seniors and doing their shopping for them.The tips were very good because it is such a pain for them to go shopping by bus or taxi.Both times it turned into something so large that I was about to hire some help to cover it all.I was taking shopping lists by phone and the word spread fast.
And it only took the cost of a couple of tankfuls to get started.
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thanks!
i knew i came to the right place to get ideas!! I really appreciate your thoughts!
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Start small
think Big
The main thing
is to get started. Each survival prep you obtain, whether equipment, materials, or training, will give you more confidence and peace of mind.
Relocation need not be a major expense. I couldn't afford to buy land in the US so I've gotten started with a $5,500 land purchase in Ecuador. That's for 10 hectares (almost 25 acres) of rain forest.
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Thanks McClarinJ
Definitely food for thought! ha-ha no pun intended
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Look at your life!
Look around. You are living with 2 senior citizens who need your help. How many others are in your area. Any senior centers around. Go into business helping senior citizens.
Less that 4 weeks ago, I checked the bulletin board at the supermarket and contracted for snow removal by someone who had recently lost his job. In talking with him he told me how he has been getting a lot of business from senior citizens. Told me of a man paying a hefty service charge to have an electrican change a ceiling light bulb. Told me about a woman who called to have a picture hung. He charged her $30. She told him that the last guy to hand a picture for her charged $100. Of course, he thought that was outrageous BUT it does show how much seniors are in need of help in doing things that they can no longer do.
That's my 2 cents.
Good luck
That is an awesome idea Wisen!
You live up to your name! Thanks ;)
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I've always like this site
I've always like this site for survival stuff.
http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/modern-survival-philosophy
It all evolves around this philosophy: "Everything you do to “prepare” for emergencies, disasters or economic turmoil should be blended into your life in a way that improves your life even if nothing disastrous ever occurs."
The very first issues to address are...
1) food
2) water
3) meds
Start out with a basic food supply like cans of tuna, etc.. Then maybe get a water filter. I suggest a "big berkey" water filters. Then stock up on over-the-counter meds and try to build up a supply of prescription meds for loved-ones who need them if possible.
As far as gardening, look to sunken container gardening instead of "row" gardening, start a compost pile, save your egg shells, peanut shells (tomatoes LOVE egg shells for the calcium).
Save any kinds of seeds, dry them, and then crunch them up for fertilizer. Save dried orange peels to mix in with the dirt to keep ants away. Order some quality heirloom seeds.
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"Wobbles but doesn't fall down" - weebles
I agree with the above
Starting out with a food storage will put your mind at ease while you focus on other things.
Some sort of grow boxing is a good idea. I don't know how many methods there are out there but the Mittleider Method is suppose to produce more per area, so you get more out of a smaller space and use less water to do it.
VERY IMORTANT: Try to do it with the intent of planning for success, rather preparing for disaster. Intent matters. One gives you clarity, the other brings confusion.
Take heart in what Dr. Paul says, that there will be/is an underground economy. We always find a way.
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Hmmm @ "Mittleider Method"...
~googles~
I said "sunken container", but im not really trying to suggest raised beds(which can be expensive). My idea is to focus only on the soil the plants rootballs will reach to reduce amount of fertilizer, etc. needed. Also, you can "build" the soil in that specific space adding materials needed for the specific plant (a bit of sand for carrots, peanut shells to loosen the soils etc).
:)
~off to read about Mittleider~
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south Florida will be a
south Florida will be a terrible place to be if the stuff hits the fan. I would look for employment in Montana, Idaho, Utah.... A small town would be good.
This is not a very easy task.. You also do not have much time.
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Hi Rebelsoul
I wish moving to a small town/western state was possible for me, but unfortunately it is not a possibility right now. I know Miami and other large cities will be at risk, but I live in Martin County which is about 2.5 hours north of there? What do you think? I really wish I could have some sort of "hideaway" but it's just not feasible right now for family obligations here.... Do you have any ideas for me of how I might be able to make this homebase safer?
Please let me know your thoughts! I appreciate your help very much!
Thanks,
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Florida...
has a gardening advantage :)
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"Wobbles but doesn't fall down" - weebles
I thought so too weebles
thanks!
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Do you...
Do you have iguana problems?
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Ummm not to my knowledge weebles, but
I guess I'll find out :)
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LOL,I remember that!
How big is your trunk and do you have recipes.
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huh?
me no understandy
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My thoughts...
First I would say, don't limit yourself. Keep looking for work that will provide you a stream of income while you pursue your gardening and survival goals.
Not sure your current financial situation, but...
With regards to gardening, can you turn it into income? My guess is this isn't your property, so will that be an issue or is it families? (you don't have to answer me, I'm just pointing out pitfalls that may come)...
Maybe once you get some income coming in, you can buy a few acres of land and grow things. Florida real estate may have further to fall and your timing might be perfect by the time you're income returns. Start scouting now.
We have farmland in Illinois that we cash rent out. It's there if we ever need it, and we get a nice income from it. I remember as a kid having the biggest garden around and we ate for free, except for the cow we'd have to butcher now and then.
Twas a long time ago...
Priority needs to be put on income though. Get your ducks in a row then work your plan.
Hope that helps some...
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Thank You Doug!
It is very kind of you to try and help me! I have been a corporate girl my whole life up until now - Don't have a clue as to survival stuff, but am trying to learn really really fast! The house I am in will not be a problem for me to plant a large garden (Thank God) I am also looking into water barrels foodstuffs etc. We have a Saturday Farmer's Market here and all the snowbirds come so I was actually thinking of selling my fruits/veggies as an income source as well! Glad to see that at least my line of thought is on the same track as you! I am just really overwhelmed with all the different things a person really needs to do to become as self sufficient as possible...But with advice like yours it becomes easier for me to come to the realization it *can* be done!
Thanks Again!
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Don't be shy at the farmers
Don't be shy at the farmers market. Strike up conversation with vendors and perhaps make new friends. Perhaps you can connect with someone lacking space but having the know how to team up on your garden. Maybe work out share crop in return for expertise, etc.
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Thx!
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