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The Four Stages of Revolution

"Pop culture elements with Libertarian themes" as quoted by the author.

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/c3kZgM8-The-Four-Stages-of-Re...

He is also the author of today's LRC article 'The Simpsons against the State'
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/finnigan-t1.1.1.html

Both are highly recommended. BUT the final scenes of the Four Stages of Revolution are quite violent and not to my taste......

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What movies is the scenes of

What movies is the scenes of the Irish from? Gangs of New York? Also what movie is it with the Romans and Ceaser? And the Chinese move with subtitles?

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Help please

What movie are the scenes from where they show a bunch of buys arguing on a mountaintop? That looks like a pretty intense movie and I'd like to check it out...

If its really obvious sorry...not the biggest movie buff. But I did recognize the Star Wars shots! haha

Red Dawn with Patrick Swayze

I think this is what you are describing.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Oh, great the Communist Manifesto rehashed.in video.

The fallacy is that it's "Liberty vs. Power" That is until Liberty subverts itself, rejects liberty and uses power to fight power.

That is the natural way of history, the oppressed seeks to free themselves and becomes the new oppressor. Like the old oppressor protecting their own liberties.

Violence begets violence and a new order born in violence will be violent. It knows no other way.

Recall Pasternak's Dr. Zhivago.

Liberty points to an escape from the natural cycle of human tragedy. Man is free to reject the violence that will usher in the new world order.

Campaigns for liberty rejects the rash expedience of violence and demands bravery and a self's own stand. Dare we learn that other way. Can we make it our destiny?

http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/04465...

Free includes debt-free!

violence is almost

violence is almost allllllwayyyysssss the only option to achieve liberty. Tyrants do not see a mass of people trying to change things peacefully and go hey you know what they are right lets change my whole goal and do things with love and peace. The ones who promote peaceful revolutions only delay the revolution and cause more people injury and suffering during the time trying to convince a group of evil men to love each other. peace has been promoted for thousands of years but there are always a few who do not care. do you want a revolution today and change to be here in a few years or do you want to try and convince the same people that steal and murder to stop and maybe in 20 years we will achieve a small portion of our liberty back. Dont get me wrong violence is a horrible thing, its down right disgusting. But there is no other way and there has never been another way

violence vs. non-violence

I don't totally disagree with you, Paul. Sometimes violence only begets more violence, and sometimes what follows a revolution is worse than what preceded it. A revolution CAN be won through peaceful means. Communism collapsed across Eastern Europe in a short time after massive public demonstrations. But sometimes violence HAS worked as a last resort. My video is not taking a clear position on this question. It is only trying to generate a discussion. When would violence be justifiable? How should it be carried out? Part 2 offers my opinions on this subject, but they might very well be wrong:

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/FLU9JAR-The-Four-Stages-of-Re...

Maybe you're right. Maybe violence is always a bad idea. But this is a discussion worth having.

So in the four stage dichotomy, where are you?

My observation is "Submission", cause you won't find justification for rebellion, and seem to have some aversion to using force to defend yourself.

But it really does not matter, because circumstances will overwhelm us all, and then we will take sides and begin killing one another until one or the other side prevails. The trend in history is like a freight train that mows down any who stand in its way.

And the trend in history is economic contraction as far as the eye can see plus predators occupying the seats of power. The burden of just the early stages of this contraction are being placed on the shoulders of the subjugated majority; witness the bailout of the privileged few on Wall Street so that they can maintain their positions of wealth. Watch for massive tax increases (like those secreted in "Health Care Reform") so that our rulers can continuing living as they do (Obama's $50 per pound imported beef and $250 bottles of wine).

The unimaginable pain and suffering from government plunder and control coupled with a failing industrial age for lack of energy to fuel it will define the future.

The pacifist approach is totally inadequate and inappropriate to the circumstances at hand. When survival is in issue any veneer of civility will vanish in a flash. Wait and watch.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

there will not be enough time

to rebel & take care of you & your family, if things go that far..Intervention is inevitable./.
You need to look up instead of down at the ground.

In the violent approach the violent win and liberty dies.

All the historical evidence is on my side.

Free includes debt-free!

Ever heard of the American

Ever heard of the American revolution?

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Maybe you could make a list of historical events

that demonstrate that non-violence has overthrown tyranny, and a list of historical events where violence has overthrown tyranny.

The list should be very short in either case because the history of the world is one of tyranny in power.

One thing I will point out is that the time span during which violent events are in progress is very, very short compared to the time span where peaceful efforts are under way. The violent part of the American Revolution was from 1775 to 1781. The first serious violent attempt to escape the tyranny of the ensuing federal government lasted only from 1861 to 1865. So out of the 200+ year history of the US, maybe 10 years were spent in violent struggles for freedom and the remaining 200+ year were spent in failed attempts to stop the onslaught of tyranny. The current failed peaceful efforts to restore freedom has been ongoing for more than all my life and I am 65; instead of freedom being restored the march to totalitarianism has been quickening for decades before I was even born. So what does this say about the abject futility of peaceful efforts? It says that most of humanity for most of human history prefers to bend over and grab their ankles, begging for a gentle screwing, instead of exhibiting a semblance of bravery. It has only been out of extreme suffering under tyranny that people have been goaded into a violent attempt to throw off the chains of slavery, and in US history one out of two succeeded, a far better track record that peaceful begging.

I think it is a delusion that peaceful efforts work. All they seem to do is occupy the efforts of freedom loving people that could otherwise be far more productive. But then, I suppose our rulers are happy for us to be chasing our tails as long as we submit to their plunder and control.

Oh, in case you have not noticed, liberty is already dead, so why do you tremble in fear of losing something you have already lost?

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

I hate to share this, but...

in the history of our world, there has never been a revolution that has happened in a peaceful way. Our country will have a bloody revolution for sure. Think about all the people employed in our government system, and those that are taken care of by our government dollar, if those working refuse to support these people, don't you think there will be a bloody revolution? Think about it. We must stop the Welfare state, we must stop the government take over of our country, and the only way to do it will be with a BLOODY REVOLUTION, and WE THE PEOPLE who actually contribute to a sound society will be the ones who will prevail, and do what is right for our nation period.......

As Thomas Jefferson has said the tree of Liberty must be fed with the blood of Patriots...for those of you that know the exact quote, please post it...

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Estonia, the Singing Revolution;

see the documentary film.

Ghandi did it peacefully. I

Ghandi did it peacefully. I am doing it peacefully by waking people up. It's slow and I admit sometimes I think about a bloody revolution myself.

Ron Paul is doing it peacefully too.

Ghandi did not win freedom

Ghandi did not win freedom for his people.

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I can't see the videos with dial up

but somebody wake me up when we get to stage 5.

You can too!

You just have to wait 40 minutes for it to download and then replay it.I have to do the same thing.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

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LOL

Hell with that.

It's dial up but I only get 26 Kbps on this phone line. They must have multiplexed the line for that last house down the road.

That's 80 minutes for me.

Yeah

I have to read the comments and what text there is to figure out what is up,Once in awhile I will take the time to download one mostly on Ron Paul videos.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Hey Bigmike?

You do know that all dial up cards that the phone service uses are set at 26 K but they can sometimes be forced to run at close to 56 by putting three commas after the number that you dial to access the ISP,Try it and let me know.I can't do it where I am right now but I have done it in many other remote places before.
They are actually 56K cards that are tuned down to cut heat generation,By law they cannot do anything about it if you force the card to run at 56K

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Thanks True,

I may very well try that. See what it does, although I doubt success. I would bet the lines out in front of this cabin are still the same ones they probably originally put there in 1950.

You have a closed circuit Bigmike

that's all it takes, the Card in the nearest phone terminal does the rest.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Tricks of a bygone era

I hope it works for you,Good luck!Don't forget to reboot after adding the commas and saving.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Thanks for watching my video!

Thanks for watching my video! As I explain in Part 2, I am not advocating violence. However, violence is an option that should never be taken off the table. For a society to be free, the government must FEAR the people. If the people refuse to consider the possibility of violence, then what does the government have to fear? A Facebook petition? Yeah, that'll have 'em shaking in their boots! Historically, the only time that governments have ever acknowledged the rights of the people is when they were facing the prospect of armed rebellion. I give a fuller explanation of the video on my blog:

http://fin-tastic.blogspot.com/2009/06/testing.html

And now for some shameless self-promotion: I made two other videos you might like:

This video tells the story of the Bushwhackers, guerrillas who fought Lincoln's invasion of Missouri, using clips from Ride With the Devil set against Bon Jovi's "Dead or Alive":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyEryL4PLik

Here is a clip from my favorite episode of Married With Children. Al Bundy starts a riot to fight against an increase in the beer tax:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6UnjvG0tRA

Awesome stuff

Its really not the full experience unless folks watch part 2 as well. So well done sir!

I loved the Al Bundy moments...my favorite patriot/shoe salesman.

I am so digging this article

http://fin-tastic.blogspot.com/2009/06/in-four-stages-i-say-...

Lincoln had it coming.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

powerful film fin-tastic!

I really like that Frank Chodorov quote!

No, Thank you!

It's poetry in motion.

Colchester, New London County, Connecticut

WoW!!!! This video is amazing... watched the whole of part 1

...and yes to maintain freedom usually requires a level of violence at one time or another... but if you wake up in America... and realize that this nation was and is the first successful non tyrannical/fascist regime to have survived over 200 years in at least 6,000 years; and you appreciate it , then you will feel less squeamish about the violence part, as it was through violence that America was born.

(NOTE--yes the current political situation is borderline tyranny/fascism..but full blown fascism it has not become yet)

Thanks for the great video find....(do you have a link for part 2??)

scroll down to the first post

hawkiye posted it...