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More Terrorist Blowback from U.S. Foreign Policy

More Terrorist Blowback from U.S. Foreign Policy
by Jacob G. Hornberger

Immediately after 9/11, Bush administration officials declared the motivation of the terrorists: that the terrorists hated America for its “freedom and values.”

In other words, the 9/11 attacks, according to President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, and other U.S. officials, had absolutely nothing to do with the boiling rage in the Middle East over U.S. foreign policy.

Sure, the U.S. government had supported Saddam Hussein, even delivering to him those infamous WMDS (see: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0304p.asp), and had supported other corrupt, authoritarian regimes in the Middle East, such as Iran, Jordan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia.

Sure, the U.S. government had killed countless Iraqis during the Persian Gulf War and intentionally destroyed Iraq’s water-and-sewage treatment plants during the war after a Pentagon study determined that such action would help to spread infectious illnesses among the Iraqi people. (See: http://www.progressive.org/mag/nagy0901.html.)

Sure, the U.S. government enforced one of the most brutal and deadly systems of sanctions in history against Iraq for more than ten years, which succeeded in contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children. (See: http://www.fff.org/whatsNew/2004-02-09a.htm.)

Sure, U.S. Ambassador to the UN Madeleine Albright had declared to the world on “Sixty Minutes” that the deaths of half-a-million Iraqi children had been “worth it.” (See: http://www.fff.org/comment/com0311c.asp.)

Sure, the U.S. government had stationed troops near Islamic holy lands knowing that such would antagonize people of Muslim faith in the Middle East.

Sure, the U.S. government continually provided unconditional financial and military aid to the Israeli government.

But no, according to Bush, Cheney, and their cohorts, none of this had anything to do with why people in the Middle East were boiling over with rage prior to 9/11. According to them, people in the Middle East were apparently either indifferent to all this death, destruction, and humiliation at the hands of the U.S. Empire or maybe even favored it.

You see, the mindset among the neocon community has always been: The U.S. Empire is incapable of doing anything morally or legally wrong to foreigners, especially to those living in the Middle East. The Empire is good per se. And anyone who suggests that the Empire’s actions motivated the terrorists is crazy, irrational, or just plain unpatriotic. Every normal-thinking American is expected to know that the Empire is all-good, all-caring, all-compassionate, all saintly, and all-godly.

One of the best examples of this mindset in the political arena took place in the first Republican Party debate in the 2008 presidential race — the debate that launched the presidential campaign of Ron Paul. When Paul declared in the debate that the terrorists are over here because the U.S. government is over there, he was met with absolute shock by his statist opponents. In their minds, suggesting that the U.S. Empire’s actions over there had motivated the terrorists was akin to heresy.

Now, let’s look at the case of Najubullah Zazi , who pled guilty yesterday to terrorism-related charges in U.S. District Court in New York.

Let’s examine what Zazi told the judge as to why he was motivated to commit terrorist acts against the United States: “I would sacrifice myself to bring attention to what the U.S. military was doing to civilians in Afghanistan.”

Now, do you see anything about hating America’s freedom and values in that statement?

Continue reading: http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2010-02-24.asp

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real "blowback" coming soon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C-odoo0h5s

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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Embargos do not bring down regimes

People do..If you create a lack of goods for the populous they do not have what they need to get the job done..Embargos are counter productive.They create a lasting sting.

Here are some videos

that have touched on this subject.

Scott Horton Interviews Michael Scheuer
April 17, 2008
http://antiwar.com/radio/2008/04/17/michael-scheuer-4/

Ron Paul on "Letters of Marque and Reprisal"
August 09, 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSP9NteApqI

Ron Paul on Marque and Reprisal 4/12/09
April 13, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrCqVYVxEoA&feature=related

son of a leading Hamas figure & Jefferson, says otherwise

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1151941.html

The son of a leading Hamas figure, who famously converted to Christianity, served for over a decade as the Shin Bet security service's most valuable source in the militant organization's leadership, Haaretz has learned.

Mosab Hassan Yousef is the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, a Hamas founder and one of its leaders in the West Bank. The intelligence he supplied Israel led to the exposure of a number of terrorist cells, and to the prevention of dozens of suicide bombings and assassination attempts on Israeli figures.

The exclusive story will appear in this Friday's Haaretz Magazine, and Yousef's memoir, "Son of Hamas" (written with Ron Brackin) will be released next week in the United States. Yousef, 32, became a devout Christian 10 years ago and now lives in California after fleeing the West Bank in 2007 and going public with his conversion.

With his memoir, Yousef hopes to send a message of peace to Israelis. Still, he admits he is pessimistic over the prospect of Israel signing a peace agreement with the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority, let alone Hamas.

"Hamas cannot make peace with the Israelis. That is against what their God tells them. It is impossible to make peace with infidels, only a cease-fire, and no one knows that better than I. The Hamas leadership is responsible for the killing of Palestinians, not Israelis," he said. "Palestinians! They do not hesitate to massacre people in a mosque or to throw people from the 15th or 17th floor of a building, as they did during the coup in Gaza. The Israelis would never do such things. I tell you with certainty that the Israelis care about the Palestinians far more than the Hamas or Fatah leadership does."

Jefferson-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy to London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:

"It was written in their Koran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise."

Jefferson continued to argue for cessation of the tribute, with rising support from George Washington and others.

In response, Jefferson sent a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Although Congress never voted on a formal declaration of war, they did authorize the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli "and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify."

then a 2nd War when Madison was President-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barbary_War

2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Whatever

Whatever

It's one mans story, any corrobarating evidence?

Do you believe in one God. Then the term used by Muslims for such a man who comes by monotheism without the aid of the Prophets is Hanif. Hanif is one who turns away from polytheism. Adam and Abraham were such men.

There is not go but God.

Of, course if your mind is made up, I am wasting my time.

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It's not just this and not just blowback.

It's both. They attack us for both being infidels and for intervention over there. But if we stop the intervention, that's one less major incentive to come over here to commit terrorist acts. So non-interventionism may not stop all terrorism, but I think it would stop most of it.

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Thank you for this insightful post....

This is one of those both / and cases, for sure. Many only see the "We set ourselves up by being over there." side. Many others only see the "We are infidels to them!" side. I think the most radical Muslims would attack infidels where ever or whenever, but I also believe they are vastly in the minority, and that a good dose of removing all government foreign aid from the picture would solve a big piece of the problem puzzle.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Excellent

Good to see another Christian talking some basic common sense on the subject!

And by the way, love the quote from Chesterton. A brilliant man!

I guess your point is

that they really do hate us for our freedoms, or because we are infidels, or...or...or...anything but what we have been doing to them for 60 years.

I see you are a Christian. Have you taken the plank out of your eye yet?

I thought he was a troll...

but then I saw he has been a member on DP for over 2 years.

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

my point is...

Real truth is that Islam means to rule the world by any means and "overcome the infidels (Jews & Christians)"....even Jefferson understood this clearly and the Muslims told this to him. What did Jefferson & the US do to them back then??? that was over 200 years ago. James Madison had to deal with them again...was that "blow back" too???

the plank from your eyes will be removed when the LORD comes and fights the Muslim nations that come against Israel and the Christians...the Bible clearly says so...you ought to read it sometime-

Isaiah 34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Zechariah 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Ezekiel 38:16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Ezekiel 38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
Ezekiel 38:18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

...i don't think He stuttered.

Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail,

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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

And you have been..

a Paul supporter for over 2 years? I hope you have learned more than what you have stated above.

Rand Paul 2016 for Peace

RP and Jefferson on foreign policy

big difference. look what Jefferson and Madison did in the Barbary Wars. The real reason for our "Empire", is because the US made a decision with FDR that a World War will never happen again after being dragged into WW2.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

You seem to be saying that

You seem to be saying that there is an inconsistency between how Jefferson and Madison dealt with pirates on the high seas (who happened to be Muslim in this case), and how Ron Paul would deal with similar circumstances today.
Firstly, it can be admitted that Islam has had a tradition of what, for lack of a better term, is 'world submission'... That is to say, in Islamic theology, everyone will submit to Allah one way or another eventually. Of course this is similar to what we Christians profess: "Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father." Simply because Islam has such a theological tradition does not mean (and it does not follow) that the current issues with Islamic terror is designed to achieve "world domination". In fact, their motives are spelled out pretty clearly by the terrorist themselves.
Secondly, the beef that many Muslims have with Israel is not the same beef they would otherwise have with us. No doubt, Israel is viewed as an infidel occupier by its very existence, one that ought to destroyed in the minds of many Muslims. They now view us as infidel occupiers as well... but we place ourselves in the role of infidel occupiers by our foreign policy.
Thirdly, apparently you think the deaths of thousands of Iraqi children via US sanctions and military operations is a good and just thing. Here you show yourself as being not only ignorant of history (as will be seen more clearly below), but of historical Christian theology as well. The Muslims are men and women created in the image of God, and possible recipients of the Grace God has provided in Christ. At one time, Christian missionaries risked their lives to bring the Gospel to Muslims (and still are). Were they fools for not bringing armies instead?
And finally, the acts committed of certain Muslim brigands and pirates at the turn of the 19th century are very different in their primary motivation and modus as compared to Islamic Jihadist today. I weep for you my blind brother. The authoritarian Muslim pirates and profiteers of today are not attacking us simply because American foreign policy is one their side now. The Jihadist who are attacking us are not doing it for booty and treasure... or even to bring us into submission to a united Caliphate (that being a thing of the past to most Muslims). No, they attack us because of what are government has been doing in the Islamic world... and you my brother are in complete la-la land by swallowing hook, line and sinker, what one single convert (alleged convert) has to say.
And it is more than a little bit sad that you seem to justify the American empire by trying to explain its origin... as if that justifies it. Here you are ignorant of history again. Your simplistic appraisal is true on one level... but that level is as shallow as a mountain stream (but not nearly as pure).

Email me if you wish to discuss one on one.

I shall be in prayer for you.

the Pasha

were not just pirates...it was State sponsored, same as today.

as Christians we believe those who die without confessing Jesus Christ are going to eternal damnation i.e. hell on Judgment day by Jesus Christ. yet we are not blowing up planes and killing people who do not believe in Jesus Christ because we are to love and be at peace as much as possible with all people because we are all created by our LORD and have the same blood and were commanded by Him to treat our neighbors in that manner. Why would you give any excuses to Islam that teaches to kill Jews and Christians??? Israel came out of the holocaust needing their own land to live in peace and security for their people, yet the Arab/Islamic countries have since day 1 tried to annihilate them off of the face of the Earth. They have declared war on Israel and the USA over 10 years ago and what have we done but defend ourselves? We have given them every opportunity to peacefully come to terms. We have not nuked them off the face of the Earth like they want to do to us even though we could. Their Koran forbids peace treaties with unbelievers of Islam. they are only allowed "cease-fire treaties" so that they can get the advantage and win another day. HOW DO YOU HAVE PEACE WITH PEOPLE WHO MUST BY THEIR LAW KILL AND SUBDUE ALL WHO DON'T SUBMIT TO THEIR BELIEF??? that is where Ron Paul is wrong. we all want to live in peace yet there are truly those people who do not ever want it.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

As you should have noticed, I

As you should have noticed, I spoke of “authoritarian" brigands, your first point is no answer, but an agreement. The Pasha did have state sanction (while al Qaeda, essentially, does not) and many of the present day Muslim governments (Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Egypt, on and on) are in a symbiotic relationship with the United States and hated by the terrorist as well - something quite different than the relationship we had with any Muslim Government in prior times or their pirates. That certain Muslim authorities sent their pirates out after treasure (plundered from foreign vessels ...including those from other Muslim lands) has little in common with the current loose affiliation of Sunni extremist who we call al Qaeda. You are living in a dream world! Their mode of operation was different, their motives were different (the funny thing is that neither motivation had anything to do with Muslim theological demands for Islamic domination, despite the cover given to the acts of the pirates by their greedy sanctioning authorities... you are a scream!) their level of state sponsorships were different, and their actual theological writings are worlds apart (which I doubt you have read much of.. Except, perhaps, some attempts from your supposed Christian convert who sells tons of books and gets tons of donations form my fellow Christians ‘eager to hear what their itching ears long to hear’... sinful). By the way, my nephew (an extraordinary and brilliant young Christian) is currently training for the mission field among Muslims... and he understands that American foreign policy has been devastating in its impact on Islamic extremism and actual anti-Christian sentiments within Muslim lands. There has been a sizable Christian population in what is modern day Iraq for over 18 Centuries... and now they are all but gone. In other words, it is our own policies which are fanning the flames of Islamic violence, and yet you use the rising flames to justify fanning them all the more! You are being absurd!

Your statement above is so full of misunderstandings that is difficult to know which to deal with first! That the Koran sanctions killing Jews and Christians is obvious. As it also sanctions (in other verses) respecting people of ‘the Book'. But that few Muslims were acting on these particular verses (the ones on outright murder) in modern times prior to 1948 should also be obvious. I am not excusing Islam and have no interest in defending a false religion... I call it what it is. That I understand human nature and the particulars of Islamic theology is not cause to say I am a defender of it. But the funny thing is that you end up talking out both sides of your mouth! You rightly state that as Christians we are to (as much as it is possible for us) live at peace with all men. You say this right before you go on to justify our military wars and invasions of Muslim countries. I smell a contradiction, one that you cannot smell because you falsely believe these occupations are part of a defensive war against Islamic domination. Were the Muslims in Iran attempting offensive Jihad in 1953 when our government overthrew a democratically elected government and installed a dictator who held absolute brutal rule (with our approval and help) for nearly 3 decades? No! The issue that caused us to behave in this way had NOTHING to do with Islamic Jihad. It had to do with their democratically elected presidents desire to nationalize their oil reserves! Was that merely us defending ourselves? Was that us giving them every opportunity to live in peace? Excuse me, what?! And were we defending ourselves by supporting Saddam Hussein through out much of the 1980's... the same Saddam who later was the most evil man alive and in bed with terrorist? So which act was righteous, our support of him or our invasion of his serfdom and his removal? Were they both justified?

But let us turn to what your wise counsel would be in these matters - your understanding of Islam being so vast, while your understanding of basic sinful human nature being so small and pathetic. Are we doing exactly what we ought to be doing? You say they declared war on us 10 years ago... Ha! You are actually wrong on that account as well! It would help your case (bad as it is) to say that bin Laden and al Qaeda actually declared war on the United States well over ten years ago, well prior to 9/11... and that war is clearly defined as a defensive Jihad, not an offensive one to spread Islam. But be that as it may, if we cannot live in peace with the Muslims because their religion forbids it, should we nuke them and get it over with? I mean, why not exterminate them if they really cannot be reasoned with? In that way, the problem is solved once and for all. Give us your wise counsel.

Those people that are

Those people that are fanatics are not a threat. So your whole diatribe was for naught...

Ventura 2012

mostly baloney

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all Fact

Jefferson, Adams, Washington, & Madison knew this 200 years ago.
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2Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

I see

that's your story and you're sticking to it.

I think your world view is too narrow. Do you personally know a Muslim? Probably, but you wouldn't know it, because they look and act just like everyone else. Cut them, they bleed. Insult them, they hurt. Love them, and they return the love.