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Joining the Navy?

Hi all, I'll be graduating with a mechanical engineering degree in about 8 weeks. I have a pretty good gpa (3.35), but I do not have any relevant work experience yet. My job search in the civilian sector has been less than successful and I'm considering becoming an officer in the Navy. (specifically the nuclear power engineering division) I'm guessing we have a lot of veterans in the group, so I was hoping to get some feedback on the idea. Any info would be helpful.

PS, I hate the idea of the government printing more money and going further into debt to pay my salary, but I don't know where else to turn and it seems like a good opportunity.

Thank you for your input, Brad



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IA info

Hey b5,
Sorry I didn't get back to you before... I'm the 13 year Nuke officer. You can be IA as an officer, but only from shore duty. IAs are actually being detailed now so it's less likely you'll be picked involuntarily. But still possible. Most of the the officers I know who have been involuntarily picked found it to be a rewarding 6-12 months after they did it. I personally don't like the program since it is so called nation building. Send me an email to emperor_kerg@hotmail.com if you want any more info about Navy Nuke power.....i've been on three ships and can fill you in on all the gory details good and bad....

Hey b5, Sorry I didn't get

Hey b5,
Sorry I didn't get back to you before... I'm the 13 year Nuke officer. You can be IA as an officer, but only from shore duty. IAs are actually being detailed now so it's less likely you'll be picked involuntarily. But still possible. Most of the the officers I know who have been involuntarily picked found it to be a rewarding 6-12 months after they did it. I personally don't like the program since it is so called nation building. Send me an email to emperor_kerg@hotmail.com if you want any more info about Navy Nuke power.....i've been on three ships and can fill you in on all the gory details good and bad....

IA questions

Is this a voluntary or mandatory program? If mandatory, would they take a nuclear trained submarine officer for this sort of assignment? I was assured that I would never be assigned to a land based tour.

Brad

It's Mandatory

It's mandatory if your commanding officer selects you. You will go; period. CO's have a quota system as part of their FITREP (Fitness Report)

Here is a House Armed Services Committee - Subcommittee on Readiness report on training and equipment of sailors (that's you) in combat and combat support roles:

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuyl4bdNL2YIApDZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oD...

Here is a naval post graduate thesis on the impact of IA service on naval junior officer retention:

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu9sjdNNLFdMANrlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oD...

Here is a handbook for IA Sailors (SELECT THE ENTIRE LINE (problem with blanks in URL address):

www.cnrsw.navy.mil/fsc/ia/IA Sailor Handbook.pdf

Finally from the horse's mouth at BUPERS (Bureau of Naval Personal) Start with section 3, background:

http://www.npc.navy.mil/ReferenceLibrary/MILPERSMAN/1000Mili...

Navy? - Two Words, Individual Augmentation (a.k.a. "IA")

I served in the Navy from 1966 - 1969. The IA program was implemented back then for very few sailors and for very selective ratings (rating is Navy-speak for 'job'). Now with the occupation in Iraq and the invasion in Afghanistan, Navy personnel are being pulled from ship/shore duty into serving with Marine Corps and Army units as part of every sailor's tour of duty. You will be trained for wherever the government wants to put you. You can be away from your current Navy command for months. You could be carrying a weapon and fighting the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, or you could be providing ground support service for direct combat forces.

Here is a web site with more information. It is a Navy site and written to be pro supportive of the IA program: (http://www.ecrc.navy.mil/1/idc_predeploy/faqs.htm).

Here is another site where Navy personnel discuss IA issues. I suggest you register and ask questions: http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/frm/f/4000087901001

One more thing. If you are considering joining the military for patriotic service or love of country (love of country meaning the people, not the government) then I thank you for your courage and commitment to protecting your countrymen.

If you are doing it because you need a job, consider some other way to earn a living. I don't want you to risk dying because you need money. It's not worth it.

You don't have to risk dying for me, I not afraid of terrorists and can take care of myself.

Here is what I think

Your choice.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Goose That Laid The Golden Constitution

I can not really give this guy any advice...just..becareful..and hope he follows his heart...thats all I can say to him.

But..it got me to thinking...What if a new wave started up..young men and women..who really want to serve this country..all flock to sign up...(bet right now you really think Ive lost my mind huh?..Did that years ago)

Anyway..yes..they sign up...to do their duty...which is to OBEY THE CONSTITUTION...When they get an order that goes against it..They flat out refuse!!! And state the reasons why. Now tell me..Would that not be a true way to serve America? A few people might wake up too.

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You have to decide...

but, remember the military is not a democracy. It is rife with cliques, and unqualified tyrants. They can and will get you killed. I don't know how much danger is on a submarine (as I was a former Marine warrant officer) but, I am sure that danger on a sub is constant. I forbid any of my grown sons from going military as they are all free thinkers. (Something that is frowned upon in the military).
The military also likes to get rid of troops at about the ten year mark so as to not pay your retirememt (20 years).
I intended to just do my four year contract but, when it came time to get out, the same awful economy was still going on. (Just like now). Yes, you will gain experience but, you will also learn to be a tyrant which will not serve you well when you do get out...

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves." William Pitt in the House of Commons November 18, 1783
"I know major allies who fund them" Gen. Dempsey referring to ISIS

Been There; Done That

Of course I saw the enlisted man side of the equation but it realy was a dead end leaving me wishing I had those years back.
Personaly, if I couldnt find anything better to do with your degree, which wouldnt be a stretch since its been 15 years since I got my worthless Chem E degree, I would still retain my freedom and find another way to get by before I would swear an oath to uphold the whims of ObamaMcBush and Co.

bump...Brad tell me when

bump...Brad tell me when you've seen this...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
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Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Hello

I just saw your comments. The careerbuilder link looked interesting and I love SC, but my qualifications don't match the job requirements very well. That being said, I'm very willing to learn and get additional training. I'm currently in the application process with the Navy, but I haven't made a absolute commitment yet. I'll be graduating in about 2 months.

Brad

He hasn't posted since 3-26

I guess he's in boot.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Job Opportunity

Brad - this is my husband's group - try for an interview. He said he will look at new graduates.

MECHANICAL DESIGN ENGINEER
http://www.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

Sure you can be part of a "Global Force for Good"

Why just defend America when you can be a global force for good like grandpa?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eTNpakRAmc

DO IT!

I'm ex-Navy, and my dad is a retired Master Chief. Joining the Navy was the smartest move that I ever did in my whole life. My dad would concur for his service. I've been out for 16 years and am still reaping the benefits from military service. Don't feel guilty about your salary - it's constitutional!

dont do it

I'm an enlisted nuke and all my officers are miserable. Pm me if you have questions

fortune favors the bold

try Careerbuilder.com

using "nuclear" as keyword and "engineering" as career category. Get the names of the various industries and make some contacts expressing your desires.

Do the same with other keywords (eg. "mechanical") and see what pops up. There are hundreds of listings.

I am a mechanical engineer and considered the same path (Navy Nuke - 20 years ago) but chose private industry instead. I did summer co-op work which gave me some experience. Did you do any co-op work?

If you like the energy field try General Electric (GE Power Generation). The off-shore drilling advice was right on - lots of jobs listed for that discipline and the industries that support it.

My husband is an engineering manager and has hired new grads on several occasions. He looks for initiative and personal responsibility NOT the high GPA. Your GPA is quite respectable for mechanical engineering.

Mechanical engineers are a desireable discipline - make sure you go where YOU would be at peace doing what you need to do to make a living.

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing.
Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

thanks

I haven't had an opportunity to do an internship or co-op unfortunately. I live in MI and our local economy has been hit hard. Many of the formerly available internships no longer exist. I'll take a look at GE and the offshore drilling.

Brad

Don't be a fool, you will

Don't be a fool, you will just become another cog in the machine of oppression, an expendable asset to be used and discarded. Just look into how our Veterens have been treated.

Most of those who have served did so not knowing what the military has become and did the best they could believing they were serving their country and looking out for each other in war.

However you now know better so do not use the need to make a living as an excuse to join the machine of oppression and contribute to the oppression of millions around the world and at home.

Google general Smedley Butler "War is a Racket" and read it from one of the most decorated Marines in our history.

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i am an engineer and i worked

i am an engineer and i worked as a civilian in the defense industry designing submarines for the navy. the usn has a top notch nuclear engineering program and a lot of smart people working for them. some of my friends were commissioned into the armed services upon graduating college and most of them are doing well. i will tell you that sadly one of them was killed in iraq while serving as an officer.
if you are unmarried and willing to go where the navy will send you then i think it is a good option for an engineer. with a family your priorities might change. regardless of how people at DP feel about the wars and the current use (misuse) of our armed forces, we must remember that they are overall great institutions and the men and women in uniform are wonderful people. join up, get some of your school paid for, get some training, serve your time and then decide whether or not to stay on or use your skills, training, and work experience to market yourself in the private sector.
good luck.

one caution-- UNLESS IT

one caution-- UNLESS IT STATES SPECIFICALLY IN YOUR SIGN-ON PAPERS, they are free to send you into whatever program for whatever (or no) reason regardless of what they may have verbally promised you.

general advice for everyone... you need to understand how the process works. each recruiter has quotas to fill (and most are for undesirable -to you- positions). they can promise you a specific spot but you have to make sure it is in writing before you sign-on. if the recruiter you are talking to can't promise you what you want then go talk to a different recruiter. okay folks, this is just like buying a car...shop around until you find what you want. be very upfront with the recruiter about what you want and don't settle for less. eventually when the month (or whatever calendar period they are using) is coming to a close you will get a desperate recruiter calling you up who is willing to part with one of the few desirable positions left on his list.

know your enemy first

www.911missinglinks.com

it's all downhill from here !

hmmm . . .

how cautious this site is--

appears *they* know who *their* "enemy" is, as well--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Current member of the Army

Current member of the Army NG. Best decision that I have ever made. Don't pay attention to the naysayers. They should be happy to have you defending them considering the alternatives.

The Navy should be excellent for the type of field you are looking at. The Air Force is of course the best place if you have a family. Unlike other branches, you are the asset. Of course the Air Force has the highest standards.

And despite what anyone wants to say. We need an active duty Navy to defend our borders. Granted I would like to see less of a force, but it is still good policy to have some active duty military defending this nation at all times. So don't feel too bad about the paycheck thing. Even though I am with you on the sentiment.

Highest Standards?

I think the Nuclear Navy has Air Force beaten for "standards."

Defending the borders, huh?

Against who, exactly?

"They should be happy to have you defending them considering the

alternatives."

Please explain?

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I know you're set for fightin',

but what are you fighting for?

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I am sure you are making a list

of pros and cons on this issue. The main thing is to be honest with yourself.

We now know the military is NOT fighting for Freedom they fight for Offensive Corporate Interests.

We also know the military is used as Ginny pigs with experimental drugs. I suspect soon they will be some of the first to get the ID chips so they can be located easily. We also know that when you sign on the dotted line that they can keep you as long as they want and if your injured or have Post Traumatic Disorder may find yourself homeless and destitute.

We also know a lot of people like being in the military for the pay check and told they are doing something noble but General Smedley Butler himself said WAR IS A RACKET. People in the Military have bonds that last a life times and experiences.

So what are your third options, look around is PEACE Corps an option, is working over seas an option? Run for political office, they get a pay check too. These are challenging times and if your on the Daily Paul you are very aware of what is happening in the world and the role our country is playing in it.

In WWII my dad was drafted and joined the Sea Bees he learned to drive heavy equipment and build things not destroy them. After he got out he built his own home and started a business.

Good luck to you in whatever you decide. Go with your gut on this, it will lead you in the right direction. We can offer our opinion but you are the one who lives with the consequences.

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Have you checked with other federal jobs???

Sometimes the Department of the Interior or others will also hire engineers, in fact that's all I see openings for sometimes. Go to USAjobs, or Avue central, these are all Federal. Try civilian first before military, if you can. Sometimes all you need for basic qualifications is a degree, and you get the experience on the job. Yes there are a lot of vets here, and the fact that they served some unfavorable Commander's in Chief, does not mean they won't do the right thing when it comes right down to it. It doesn't matter if you're military or civilian, everyone might have to be faced with moral choices at some point in the future.

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