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Submitted by pencils2 on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 10:52
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Avatar Can Strengthen the Freedom Movement!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M31gqHS8qFI

Avatar and the Principles of Libertarianism:

http://www.freedomchatter.com/avatar-and-the-principles-of-l...

What were your thoughts on Avatar? Can it be used to explain the basic principles of freedom and libertarianism?

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lets see basic premise is

Submitted by hawkiye on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 17:58.

lets see basic premise is military industrial complex seeks to destroy indigenous population and culture to exploit thier resources hmmm sounds familiar ...?

Those that find Avatar as some evil plot really need to lighten up there are much more important things to focus on. Its a fictional story with a real live theme big deal, it was a great movie and the message of freedom and self defense is most definitely pertinent.

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Pencils 2 and Avatar for Freedom?

Submitted by Katie on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 17:45.

Pencils 2, You agree with MOST of America. Therefore, doesn't that tend to make you at least wish to do a self evaluation and ask yourself why it is that YOU agree with most of America concerning the movie "Avatar" and its message? That should scare the Hell out of you if you actually did think about it.

Are most people drawing libertarian conclusions from Avatar?

Submitted by pencils2 on Wed, 03/17/2010 - 20:42.

That is not the impression I've been getting. If people come out of the movie thinking about libertarianism and freedom, how in the world is that a bad thing? Can libertarians only be a minority? All I am saying is that we should explain the libertarian messages in Avatar rather than uselessly attack the film as "anti-American." Read my article before you start questioning my judgment: http://www.freedomchatter.com/avatar-and-the-principles-of-l...

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Blueprint for 3rd party in 2012?

Submitted by rjforpaul on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 15:43.

Almost like a Ralph Nader/Ron Paul mix?

http://caivn.org/article/2010/02/12/avatar-blueprint-indepen...

Anything that "distracts us" from the reality we face...

Submitted by peaceplace on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:56.

is not going to strengthen our movement.

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If it can help explain our principles and goals

Submitted by pencils2 on Wed, 03/17/2010 - 21:10.

If it can help explain our principles and goals I do not believe it is a waste. Particularly for mainstream viewers (which Avatar reached a large percentage of), the freedom message must be initiated in. I see Avatar as a great opportunity to explain the principles of liberty and libertarianism. Not all people are going to try to explore these ideas on their own, it is important that we take opportunities to ease them in to these vital ideas. Avatar presents a way to do that.

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There is quite a bit to the 'Reality' we face

Submitted by WinstonSmith on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 15:11.

No political system can overcome the sickness of the human soul. That's why the good doctor included '3vol' in the R3volution.

Avatar

Submitted by annunaki on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:37.

Avatar is certainly a visually stunning film. But, I think that the most secret hidden meaning of the movie is that James Cameron will continue to be a billionaire.I do however wish he would do a remake of " Journey To The Center Of The Earth ".

Crushing Avatar (Watch this)

Submitted by radiofriendly on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 10:53.

Love or Hate Avatar?
Either way, you have to see this
review---loads of fun and will open your
eyes up to just how great...uh, terrible
and manipulative the film is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJarz7BYnHA

Watch it, seriously (and part 2)!

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BoooooooRing (the review)

Submitted by WinstonSmith on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:44.

that is.

LOL

Submitted by Joη on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 18:14.

awesome. Recommended.

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"Pocahontas can strengthen the liberty movement!"

Submitted by Joη on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 18:02.

Who needs the upgrade..

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My point

Submitted by pencils2 on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 10:42.

is that with masses up people seeing Avatar and greatly enjoying the film, we have the opportunity to clearly demonstrate the principles of private property, individual liberty, and anti-interventionism. Avatar had a strong libertarian message that a lot of people will connect with if we explain it in a thoughtful manner.

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let me ask you a question..

Submitted by rebelsoul on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 11:02.

let me ask you a question.. if one of the NAv'i or what ever they are called owned some of the land and had the mineral that the humans wanted, wanted to sell it would the other nav'i have let him deal with the humans?
This film does NOTHING for the freedom movement. NOTHING. The nav'i had no individual freedom.. they did as were told. one nav'i could go against the rest. The nature worship BS was also something else out of a liberal nightmare. Worship the creation and not the creator. What a joke. Some of peoplen still don't have a clue. Nice try Fedor.

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I disagree with you, rebelsould

Submitted by Treg on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 18:21.

I think your points are not relevant. Let me explain.

The Navi, what ever their culture is, and whatever you may think of it, they have a natural right to to their own lives & Liberty, ... do they not?

The Navi, what ever their religious worship, and whatever YOU may think of it, they have a right to THEIR OWN PROPERTY, ....do they not?

Moreover, the Navi, whatever YOU may think of them have the right to say "NO trade",.... do they not?

The Navi were not being rescued now where they? When your home tree is blown up, your precious lands and forests and white-tree grave site is destroyed... it does not appear they are being "liberated" to me.

If you disagree with me above, then I submit that rebelsoul has not a clue of what Ron Paul or the Daily Paul or the R3VOLution is about.

In peace & liberty,
Treg

Very good points, Treg

Submitted by pencils2 on Wed, 03/17/2010 - 21:08.

Liberty is not a limited principle trapped in a box, it is limitless in its possibilities and creativity. Liberty cannot be forced on people (or other planets, for that matter), liberty is purely natural. Avatar displays the importance of free trade (even if it is the right to say NO to a product you're offered), private property (Home Tree), and many other points that should not be blasted especially by the freedom movement.

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avatar can't do anything to

Submitted by rebelsoul on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 11:53.

avatar can't do anything to strengthen the freedom movement..

"['Avatar'] is new age, satanic, demonic paganism, and people are just stunned by the visuals," he said. "Well, the visuals are amazing because Satan wants you to emotionally connect with a lie."

http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/195724.asp

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Were the Native Americans demonic?

Submitted by pencils2 on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 10:51.

Were the Native Americans demonic for having a different (and often deeper) connection to nature than Europeans? Were they demonic for not believing in Jesus Christ? According to this guy, you either believe one thing or you're being tricked by some satanic voodoo. If you think spiritualism is satanic paganism you're going to have a tough time dealing with a lot of individuals in the freedom movement.

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what idividuals beleive

Submitted by rebelsoul on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 11:06.

what idividuals beleive spiritually has nothing to do with having problems with others in the freedom movement. Just don't push your paganism on me. Spirituality is something that should be kept to oneself. This film is nothing more then another brainwashing experiment that some can't seem to see.

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Spirtuality is paganism now?

Submitted by pencils2 on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:22.

For goodness sake, if you don't want people pushing their "paganism" on you, don't attack people's spirituality. Respect my religion and I'll respect yours, just as we do with each others individual freedom.

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Did you read the article?

Submitted by pencils2 on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 10:38.

Do you really think that Avatar is anti-American demonic because it displayed alternative ideals? The concept that there is a spirit in all living things hardly destroys the idea of freedom or the principle of liberty, it actually strengthens it (in my opinion).

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amazing isn't it.. even some

Submitted by rebelsoul on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 11:54.

amazing isn't it.. even some of our so called Ron Paul liberty supporters can't see the lie..

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The world IS connected (even our own)

Submitted by WinstonSmith on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 14:48.

Your egotism prevents you from seeing it. To paraphrase the Blue Chick: You are insane.

So...

Submitted by pencils2 on Sun, 03/07/2010 - 13:25.

So... if you don't consider James Cameron to be an insider cult leading bigot trying to brainwash the world, you're not a Ron Paul liberty supporter? It is stuff like this that will scare people away from the message of freedom. You have to realize that other views do have substance, and it is when we accept alternative viewpoints and meaningfully discuss them that this movement will really gain ground.

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Slavery

Submitted by IMissLiberty on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 11:17.

Almost all movies are about the journey from slavery to freedom. Rarely, it's the opposite (not very popular).

In most cases, the slavery is self-imposed, and consists of some character flaw that is keeping the character trapped. The events of the story make that slavery so intollerable, that the hero, after resisting change for as long as possible, finally changes and becomes free of the flaw, then triumphs.

In SciFi, the slavery is often literal in some way, not just self-imposed (although the society may impose it on itsself).

Just as with many of us, writers may not completely understand this story structure (the principles at work), and thus not be consistent or clear (don't get me started on that stupid necklace in Titanic).

I guess I'll have to see Avatar.

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That Stupid Necklace

Submitted by IMissLiberty on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 11:24.

Can't resist.

That necklace in Titanic represented, essentially, a dog-collar or symbol of possession.

The moment whatshername had her portrait painted with it, she burned her bridges and became free. There was no going back to any possibility of becoming the rich guy's possession. End of movie.

She rejected the necklace and everything it represented, so why the heck did she keep it all those years? Why did she drop it in the ocean later? It was a stupid repeat of the previous event when she tossed the necklace and all the slavery it represented, away.

Stupid writing or possibly directing (directors ruin scripts sometimes). Now we have a heroine who would rather her mother die in poverty thinking her daughter is dead than give her the necklace--hardly an uplifting tale. They really muddled any message.

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Root for The Hurt Locker for

Submitted by laissez faire on Mon, 03/01/2010 - 10:57.

Root for The Hurt Locker for best pic. Great movie that doesn't preach, but you will ask yourself 'why the hell are our troops there' as the credits roll.

Haven't seen Avatar yet.

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