UPDATE: PICS ChemTrails: Miami, Something is up....
Well i found out about chemtrails a while ago, but it wasn't ever any particular interest to me. However Something is going on where im at because there is some heavy spraying. I noticed it a couple days ago while my uncle aand I had a BBQ, it was a clear crisp blue sky when we started by the time we ate the sky was in a haze.... I told my uncle about chemtrails and ofcourse i was called nuts and a conspiracy theorists... well they sprayed so much that day he even came to see that the white streaks were not just jet propultion and definitly not clouds since we saw them form from an airplane... Fast forward to today... I took pictures and video... same deal blue sky in the morning...almost complete cloud cover by mid day...Something is up, never seen this much spraying...anyone else notice or have any idea... if you wanna see the pics email me...
Uploaded some pics... any arguement that these are clouds is nonsense to my ears since i saw with my two eyes that this haze came from aircrafts... You cant convince me an apple is orange..
and for the bashers out there... This is not about Ron Paul, he is just a man... Its about a movement.. I thought this movement was about Truth, Personal liberty, freedom, limitations and transpearancy of Government... So what is wrong about making some observations that some planes have just dispersed a bunch of junk in the sky, ruined my beach day, and then wanting some answers to what it is and who is doing it...
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Mruiz201/chem/chem1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Mruiz201/chem/chem2.jpg
Instead of just postulating
Instead of just postulating on some pictures, why not get some samples? Following this course of reason, I'd figure the man on the moon was real...oh, wait I'm confusing my conspiracies.
A sample of links for the Chemtrail Deniers :p
Weather Modification Association:
http://www.weathermodification.org/
Weather Modification, Inc:
http://www.weathermodification.com/index.php
North American Interstate Weather Modification Council
http://www.naiwmc.org/
North Dakota Cloud Modification Project
http://swc.nd.gov/4dlink9/4dcgi/getcategoryrecord/atmospheri...
West Texas Weather Modification
http://www.wtwma.com/
There are hundreds of sites out there that talk about weather mod programs going back as far as the 1950s. Most seem to be about increasing precipitation, perhaps we are stealing the world's moisture for ourselves?
Might help explain some of the odd climate change shifts we are seeing, many droughts in the world right now. Also many records in precipitation here in the US. (for the record I am convinced via the evidence AGW is indeed a hoax, just another way to nitpick our lives)
Of course there could be further more nefarious goals considering some of the non-standard materials falling from these trails. Tests show aluminum and Barium compounds for example:
Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI
Whatever is going on we are being kept in the dark and that is not how a free nation ought to be conducting business.
I know what you mean about
a year or two ago I started to watch the skies beautiful bright sunny days go checkerboard and then gray skies that last for a very long time. When we went traveling it was an amazing site to see. Yes, they are up to no damn good just like in government they are up to no damn good and I hope they croak on their fiat money of death.
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Pissed about my vacation pictures
Always screwed up with stripes. in the mid 90's I spent a lot of time mountaineering and taking photos of beautiful blue skies from high peaks. Now, on the rarer occasion that I get to some high peaks, I can't sit around and wait for the trails to disperse to take a photo. It is also harder to make a judgement on approaching weather for safety concerns when on long exposed climbs. Sucks.
Nonsense like this is why I'm careful not to link friends
to this site. How embarrassing for Ron Paul and most of his supporters. It's hard to turn people on to Ron Paul when they see this stuff.
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Seriously...if you have not seen what
people here are describing you have no standing to call it nonsense. If you see it and then decide its nonsense that is another thing.
You obviously have not witnessed it...it is fairly undeniable when observed.
10-4 that. It is
10-4 that. It is embarrassing. You cannot bring anyone here.
You were just called a "moron," Jocean. That should be a barring offense.
I guess we need congress to pass another bill
If someone wants to bring their ill informed logic into the fray then they should be prepared for insults. Or We'll just let more liberties get taken and pass another cyber security bill. Can't wait to live in this future namby pamby welfare state with a bunch of slacker deadbeats looking for a handout.
Moron
You are a moron. A legit contrail is ice crystals, that's it. They last 15-16 seconds behind a jet. Anything else is something deliberately added to the fuel or sprayed from some other type of device. There is no argument, contrails do not linger for hours and spread. Get your head out of your ass. The sun melts the tiny ice crystals, it doesn't melt metallic particles. End of story, go suck your thumb somewhere else zombie.
Ice crystals? The only thing
Ice crystals? The only thing that comes out of jet engine exhaust is ice crystals? Why don't they use this technology in cars? Car exhaust would be much better if it was just ice crystals.
NO
but what we see is the condensation in the form of ice crystals, sorry, it needed clarification
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jocean I WANT AN ANSWER TO THIS PHOTO TAKEN OVER CA
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo239/purldiver_/Chemtrai...
Click on the link,enlarge the photo a little with your browser.
(Shift + )
Now tell me what flight patterns would do this for commercial air traffic? I'll answer it for you: NONE It isn't Alaska Air to LA and it isn't SF to LA or visa versa.
This is a deliberate pattern being put into the air (sprayed) by multiple jetliners.
(ps if your "friends" are anything like you I hope you don't invite them)
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So you're making a claim with nothing to back it up.
"Now tell me what flight patterns would do this for commercial air traffic? I'll answer it for you: NONE It isn't Alaska Air to LA and it isn't SF to LA or visa versa."
That means nothing.
How do you know it's not from commercial air traffic?
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jocean It Is Apparent That You Have A Birth Defect Of Some Sort
that affects your ability of reason. Or you could be just another plain old shill...
I'll roll this right back at you..
"Now tell me what flight patterns would do this for commercial air traffic? I'll answer it for you: NONE It isn't Alaska Air to LA and it isn't SF to LA or visa versa."
That means nothing.
How do you know it's not from commercial air traffic?
Commercial air traffic does not fly a pattern in that particular area with scheduling of flight so close together.It would be a waste of fuel and extremely inefficient to go so far off the coast for North/South air travel.
And furthermore since flight times are staggered throughout the day one trail would dissipate before the next even got anywhere near it.There are not enough commercial flights in a day of your wildest dreams to produce a pattern like this.You lose as usual.
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haha
Do you realize how high that picture was taken from?
It just looks they're close together. Those are probably miles apart.
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jocean I Bet Two Magnets Keeps You Entertained For Hours...
have a good night...
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Moreover,
have you ever been to a major airport?!
The flights are CONSTANT. You wait in line as one flight after another takes off.
Sorry, but you've been led astray. You'll realize it in time.
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wrong
they may start from the same place but do not fly parallel for 100 miles. I have watched the flight patterns in my area for years, they are the same for long periods of time and then you get these grid patterns on certain days and then they are not there other days. The flight patterns have been consistent in most areas for a long time and don't deviate just for a day or two and then go back to normal. Also, on these random days that they do lay grids, why do they not lay stripes down when observing the regular flight patterns? Answer: because the normal flight patterns with normal jets don't leave anything behind except ice crystals which last 15-16 seconds. How about you put your head back in your ass.
jocean Your Lightbulb Is Dim...Remember Before All This High
tech weather imagery? We would have seen your supposed "contrails" quite frequently and we never did. Now all we get is "Doppler" computer generated imagery. I can't remember how long it's been since I have seen the old black and white actual satellite moving images of storm fronts approaching the west coast. It's all computer crap...If you know of a weather channel that shows this on the west coast let me know....
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Yeah right.
I've been seeing these things since I was a little kid, and asked my father what they were. He explained correctly, that they were condensation.
And there reason there are more contrails than there were many years ago, is because air travel is much cheaper now. I suggest you look up how much air travel has increased over the years.
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You Are Full Of It jocean Unless You Are 15...
I've lived near 3 major airports Oakland,San Fransisco and San Jose for 51 years and they did not put anything that lasted for up to 9 hours (basic windless day).2 lines laid out last summer in a perfect X in the sky that did nothing but continually expand...9 hours later still there!!!
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I sort of agree that this is not the best forum for this.......
particular subject matter, however, you are definitely in the dark about differentiating "contrails" and "chemtrails". There are now hundreds of websites and thousands of articles over the last 13 years in reference to "chemtrails" and its existence thereof. I saw my first chemtrails in the summer of 1997 over the skies of Ocean City, Maryland. I took photographs because it was truly the first time I had ever seen them and was amazed. I had read about them earlier that year but had never actually viewed them personally. One of two things, either you are truly lacking information and some well known facts about chemtrails and the existence thereof, or you are one of those suspicious individuals, suspicious of those wacked out conspiracy theorists. That said, I truly tire of this subject matter. it exists, and has since 1997, yet we are presently unable to do a damn thing about it. The average American is completely unaware of the existence of chemtrails because we do not even raise our heads to look up in the sky anymore. They (NWO) have been spraying the skies throughout every industrialized country in the world for 13 years now, and the majority of the various populations are not even aware. Does everyone fully realize how sad this situation really is? They had better wake up, and very soon.
Again
You saw contrails as a kid that were very brief, Look for photos form pre 97/98 and you will never find a grid pattern like we see today. Now all the outdoor magazines are filled with pictures that have stripes in them. The condensation lasts 15-16 seconds in the form of ICE CRYSTALS that melt rapidly. I was right, you really are a moron.
Thanks for not sending
YOUR friends here.
Prove
Prove it's nonsense, prove the released documents are false. Prove the insiders are fake, prove contrails do not quickly dissipate.
See we can dig up supporting information science and government documentation that proves its real. Where is yours?
Your ignorance and overwhelming need to live in denial is not reason enough to deny others the facts.
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Contrails can last for many hours.
"Condensation trails, or contrails, generated from
high-altitude aircraft exhaust may affect climate because
they can persist for many hours." -from peer reviewed American Meteorological Society Journal of Climate http://www.areco.org/minnis.pdf
Now where's your source to dispute that?
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CO2 caused global warming was also peer reviewed
and a fraud.
I dont need to..
Never claimed they can not persist for extended periods. Just that the majority of the hour+ trails are not contrails.
See to last that long as a normal contrail takes very specific requirements that are not available the vast vast majority of the time. This includes a colder temperature at a given altitude as well as a higher concentration of particulate matter. Some of which could be carbon from engine exhaust some which Is high altitude particulates deposited my weather anomalies.
But recorded media shows persisting trails without the required prerequisites being present.
Then we have gems like this.
http://www.asp.bnl.gov/
And that only barely touches on the available evidence which has been built up for years and only continues to grow. Which Includes confessions. But I guess government confessions isn't enough for those bent on living in blissful ignorance.
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Where is evidence from a peer reviewed journal
that the majority of multi-hour trails are not contrails?
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