Iowa Vote Fraud - Report from Grassroots **Urgent**
This news is disturbing. Please read and let our waves of support erode their beach of deceit (terrible analogy... ok, now I will just shut up... )
. . . from the desk of Jim Condit Jr.
Jim Condit Jr. for Congress
PO Box 11555
Cincinnati, Ohio 45211
Email: votefraud@fuse.net
November/December 2007
Dear Friends,
Here’s what we’ve been doing and are now doing to try and help some achieve some breakthroughs against the gathering tyranny being attempted by the hierarchy of the NeoCons, i.e., the shadow New World Order government, which continues to attempt to emerge in full bloom.
1. Many of you helped me to get up to Iowa for the August 11, 2008 Iowa Straw Poll in Ames, Iowa. I drove with 3 of my children (age 21, 19, and 16) all night to arrive at the WHO AM studios at 8:15 AM for a 9 AM appearance on the Jan Mickelson Show. This is the largest radio show in Iowa, with 30,000 to 50,000 listeners at any one moment. Early in the show, Mickelson brought Bob Schulz of We the People onto the show to announce that we were about to file a federal lawsuit against the SECRET COUNTING of the vote that the IOWA GOP was about to do on the discredited Diebold Machines (the Secretary of State of California had just decertified all major computer systems on August 3, 2007, 5 days earlier, based on a commissioned study done by the University of California). This looked to be a re-run of the secret count pulled against Pat Buchanan in 1995 in the Iowa Straw Poll of that year, a story too long to tell here.
Jan Mickelson of WHO AM, the largest radio station in Iowa, let me come on his show in studio at 9 AM on August 8, 2007 to blast out the truth about the abomination of secret computer vote counts being conducted in 49 states of our nation and ½ of New Hampshire. The Iowa GOP went “nuts” that their intended use of discredited Diebold computers for the Iowa Straw Poll three days later was being exposed. Mickelson had also been the host in 1985 on WCKY in Cincinnati, when on the day after the November election that year, the Collier brothers (authors of the book “Votescam”) and I were guests on his show to tell about the women we had filmed at the Board of Elections the night before tweezing votes out of ballots with common household tweezers. You can listen to the Aug 8, 2007 radio show by going to www.votefraud.org and clicking on the link “Video and Audios! Fun . . .” near the top of the home page.
2. The rest of the radio who was a “knock-down, drag out” between myself and Iowa GOP leaders, Chuck Laudner, and Ted Sporer. Both found themselves unable to answer two questions: “Who – what is the name of the PERSON -- who programmed the Diebold computers you’re about to use to process the votes?” Dead silence. None of the Secretaries of State nor any county election leaders know the answer to this question. Diebold and the other 3 big companies won’t tell. Next: “Why is the one non-negotiable with all of you big time Democrats and Republicans that you INSIST on hiding the ballots from the people during and after the count?” A futile attempt at obfuscation was made on this point by the flailing GOP leaders of Iowa.
3. Right after the hour radio show, -- so many irate Iowans called the Iowa GOP headquarters demanding to know why they were using the discredited Diebold machines, that the Iowa GOP made an appeal to the Ron Paul paid staff in Iowa to send out an email asking Ron Paul supporters to quit calling GOP headquarters! The email, sent out by RP paid staff member, Jeff Frazee, to Ron Paul supporters was nasty; it told them to “Stop it”, regarding any more calls to the political thugs at Iowa GOP Headquarters. He also said that the RP paid staff was doing everything they could to insure a fair count, which was a blatant falsehood, as they did nothing but support the Iowa GOP in their unconscionable, secret count of the votes (behind police guard).
The Ron Paul paid staff has called our effort to get an open count of the ballots “harmful” to Ron Paul and his campaign from that day until this. Despite GOP leader Ted Sporer yelling at me on the radio show that Ron Paul was a loser and a 1% candidate, the Iowa Ron Paul paid staff took Sporer’s side 100% and told everyone they could influence NOT to help our Vote In Sunshine effort to get an open count, and then, when that failed, they told people not to help us in our efforts to conduct an exit “vote verification” poll, in which, BECAUSE OF THE SECRET COUNT, voters were asked to fill out an signed statement of who they just voted for.
Despite his stunning victories, often by landslide proportions when the votes have been counted in the open, or by one-vote, one-cell phone technology in after-debate polls on FOX and CNBC, -- Paul – according to the secret count conducted at the Iowa straw poll – came in a dismal and distant 5th. The Ron Paul paid staff said they were happy with this outcome. Those who saw a disappointed Dr. Paul almost alone in his tent talking with a few others after the Iowa “results” were announced, tell a different story regarding the courageous congressman’s reaction to the published “results.”
While I’ve waited a long time to say it because I needed to establish an unmistakable pattern, the Ron Paul paid staff is RIDDLED with Neo-Con plants and/or career opportunists who are more interested in staying in good with the Neo-Con thugs running the RNC, New York City, and Washington DC, -- than they are in winning the election for Ron Paul and America. More on this below.
4. The next few days we worked to set up the “Vote in Sunshine” vote verification effort. Since, by Friday, the federal court had refused to intervene, the votes were being counted behind closed doors on Diebold machines, with the ballots always hidden from the public (just like happens at the real elections in 49 of our states, and one half of New Hampshire), we had both vote verification cards AND affidavits for those coming out of the voting buildings to sign. Ted Sporer, who was the GOP thug I squared off with on the radio, was so afraid of the affidavits that he got the campus police to threaten arrest against some of our people if they persisted in the vote verification effort. Some were scared off, but Walter Reddy of Connecticut led a team which were not scared off, and the Iowa GOP thugs backed off.
5. As it turned out, 30 people from around the country showed up at our “meetup” in the Holiday Inn on the night before the Iowa Straw Poll. NONE were from Iowa. We later found out the campaign paid staff had been spreading the word for 3 days (since the radio show) that no one was to help our vote verification effort. Why? We heard over and over again, always in a hushed tone of voice, from different sources: “We wouldn’t want this effort to hurt Dr. Paul.” ?????? In other words, the campaign paid staff, after hearing on the Mickelson radio show that the votes were going to be counted in secret – FOUND THOSE OF US TRYING TO GET AN OPEN VOTE COUNT TO BE THE ENEMY. This is what we never expected to find, and I am sorry to report. (Go to next page)
When Ron Paul arrived, in sharp contrast to quizzical members of his paid staff, he said about the vote verification efforts and the lawsuit, “This is the beginning of the process. Now is the time to ask questions.”
6. This was a far cry from Congressman Ron Paul himself, who when he landed on Wednesday night said: “This is the beginning of the process. Now is the time to ask questions.” One of our team from California talked to Carol Paul herself, wife of Ron Paul, on the night before the Straw Poll, and Mrs. Paul said she was very worried about the media censorship against her husband, and that they were also very worried about the computer counts. Ron Paul’s son, Rand, came on a national call a few weeks ago and encouraged all of us in our efforts to watch the vote count. He recognized and stated by the end of the national conference call that the “vote count” issue was yet another transparency in government issue. And his comment is right on point.
7. On Friday, August 10, 2007 – one day before the straw poll, 11 of us were in federal court, based on the action filed by Mr. Bob Schulz of “We the People”, on behalf of 11 plaintiffs including myself and 5 Iowans, asking the Judge to force an open count by hand of all the ballots – something that could have been easily done. We even brought the 60 transparent boxes they needed to keep the votes in public view until the voting was done, and until the counting of the vote in full public view could begin. Mr. Schulz and several of us gave a cogent presentation, while the Iowa GOP embarrassed themselves with illogical irrelevancies. But the federal judge declined to throw out the computers. We appealed that night, but the appeals court also refused to throw out the computers on the morning of the Straw Poll. Local press coverage was good in print and on the local TV stations. The young people working as reporters seemed genuinely sympathetic. Even national and international press coverage was good on the WEBSITES of the largest papers, such as the Washington Post and the International Herald Tribune (distributed largely in Europe), as well as Asian papers, -- but, of course, in the USA, the little censors stationed at all big media outlets between the actual reporters and the morning paper that hits peoples’ door steps – removed any reference to our lawsuit or the controversy over “hide the ballots from the people” so-called elections.
Head Ron Paul campaign spokesman, Jesse Benton, betrayed Ron Paul supporters by telling a number of media outlets the outrageous falsehood that, “Everything was done pretty much in the open at the Iowa Straw Poll.” Benton, like some others on the Ron Paul paid staff, looks and acts at key moments like a plant. Whether he is a plant, or just wants to go back to the cushy jobs he’s come from in official Washington for the last several years, he should be fired immediately, along with the campaign manager of the Iowa effort, Joe Seehusan, as well as,“special assistant” to the campaign, Don Rasmussen, and Justine Lam, the person who has kept the official Ron Paul website, www.RonPaul2008.com dumbed down to the point that she also looks like a plant, or one of the dumbest campaign workers in the history of modern politics. For contrast, look at the volunteer run websites: dailyPaul.com and RonPaulforPresident2008.com
8. Between the opposition of the paid Ron Paul Staff in Iowa to the vote verification effort (and all the hundreds of volunteers who thought the campaign paid staff knew best and, therefore, followed their advice), and the threats of arrest against our volunteers from the Iowa State University campus police under the prodding of GOP thug Ted Sporer, we were left with about 14 workers. These workers valiantly got 930 of the 14,500 or so voters in the Straw Poll to sign a voter verification card or an affidavit. 320 or so of these voted for Ron Paul, and about 1/3 of those went to the extra trouble to travel across the street to our “Vote in Sunshine” tents where they signed an affidavit.
After a long delay of one hour and twenty minutes (twenty minutes longer than the delay during the absurd secret count of the votes use against Pat Buchanan at the Iowa Straw Poll in1995), the GOP announced that Romney was the winner, with Ron Paul coming in a dismal 5th place, getting only ¼ the votes of Romney. This was in sharp contrast to the landslide first place finishes, and the sometimes strong second finishes – that Ron Paul had been achieving when the votes were counted in the open in straw polls, or when there was one vote - one cell phone, as in the text polls after the FOX debates and the CNBC debate (which Paul won with 75%, to 6% for Romney in second place).
While our vote verification effort did not achieve enough numbers to be decisive, the question remains: what would Ron Paul have gotten if all the votes had been counted in the open???
9. Despite the uphill struggle myself, other team members from across the country, and our teenagers found ourselves in once it became clear that the Ron Paul paid staff was going to oppose the “Vote in Sunshine” vote verification effort, something unexpected and wonderful came out of the Iowa Straw Poll.
As suggested above, Walter Reddy of Connecticut, a long time activist in many patriot efforts, put me in touch with Bob Schulz of “We the People” by phone around July 28, 2007, thirteen days before the Iowa Straw Poll. Mr. Schulz and I talked about two hours the first day, and followed up with a few hours of conversation later in the week. Mr. Schulz, who has filed “redress of grievances” lawsuits over the last 29 years, immediately saw how the implications of the “secret vote counts” thoroughly undermines the basis of any free country. So after the effort at the Iowa Straw Poll, a federal lawsuit has now been filed against all 50 states, seeking the banning of all computers, all machines, and all hiding of the ballots from the people in any and all elections.
10. This is called the National Clean Elections Lawsuit (NCEL). 147 plaintiffs from all 50 states have filed the lawsuit. Bob Schulz of “We the People” is the head plaintiff, but all 147 of us are individual pro se plaintiffs. This is the type of unexpected benefit that happens when you hang in there long enough, and thanks to so many of you for helping me hang in. This lawsuit is the very first one, as far as I know, that presents the Ruling Elite with a clear and mutually exclusive alternative. Either the courts will rule that the government has the power to hide the ballots from the people, or that it is unconstitutional for the government to hide the ballots from the people at election time.
Clearly, if the courts rule that it is OK for the government to hide the ballots from the people during and after an election, thereby hopelessly breaking the “chain of custody” of the ballots, i.e., the evidence, -- then the Ruling Elite is telling us that we no longer live in the United States of America, under the Constitution, but rather that we are now living under the Communist Shadow Government which hopes to emerge as the New World Order Tyranny.
By the way, you can read the text of the NCEL lawsuit at one of the top links on the home page at votefraud.org – and there is literally nothing the courts or the 50 states can coherently answer to this historic lawsuit. For the US Supreme Court has already ruled TWICE, in 1964 and in 1915, that our constitutional right to vote is made up of two parts: a) the right to cast a ballot (which we still do); and b) the right to know that your vote was counted honestly and accurately, --- and this second part is being denied to us at almost all the primaries and caucuses, New Hampshire and the Iowa Caucus excepted, -- and in every state at the general election in November, except for ½ of New Hampshire.
11. How is it possible that so many malefactors are in key positions in the Ron Paul for President Campaign? The key was provided by freelance journalist Melissa Pillsbury-Foster, who is of the famous Pillsbury family. Her writings are at HowTheNeoConsStoleFreedom.blogspot.com. She revealed that the secret power behind the sinister Cato Institute, which poses as Libertarian, and behind the national Libertarian Party, is yet another billionaire Zionist, Charles Koch (pronounced “Coke”). Koch runs Koch Industries, which is a privately run Haliburton that never gets any publicity. Koch has many “guaranteed profit” contracts in Iraq right this minute. This is the NeoCon traitor who funds the so-called Libertarian Cato Insititute (I had never heard of Charles Koch.) Koch is an intimate friend of the Bush family and other top level Democrats, Republicans, Banksters, Zionists, etc. etc.
Charles Koch, private owner of Koch Industries, top NeoCon, a billionaire 12 times over, good friend of the Bush Family, and other top N W O Ruling Elites, founded the sinister Cato Institute in 1977, and took over the national Libertarian Party in 1981. According to journalist Melinda Pillsbury-Foster, it is probably through the “Libertarian-Koch” portal that these quizzical types have infested the national paid staff of the Ron Paul campaign.
Anyway, it is apparently through the Koch faction that plants have been placed in the very top Ron Paul campaign staff. I have no question of the integrity and faithfulness of Ron Paul and his family (and I would tell you if I did). But those who have the national Ron Paul Campaign office in their grip, are either plants who are throwing the game – or, at the very least, are DC and NYC types who have come from cushy political jobs, and intend to return to cushy political positions after this 2008 campaign. I will post on my website, www.votefraud.org – a long list of the egregious actions of the paid campaign staff, one of which is running Ron Paul himself around as if he’s 20 years old instead of 72, while REFUSING to use his website, www.RonPaul2008.com as it should be used: as Ron Paul’s own television station. The paid staff also REFUSES to challenge the censorship of Ron Paul by the Big Media, playing along as if everything is OK. And, of course, the paid staff is adamantly opposed, as demonstrated by their actions, to any mention of the fact that 48 of the primary/caucus states are going to hide the ballots from the people in the upcoming “counts.” ALSO, the paid staff is doing NOTHING to watch Ron Paul’s vote count in New Hampshire and Iowa.
You may remember that Pat Buchanan won all 3 of the early, relatively verifiable contests in 1996 against Bob Dole, and there is strong evidence suggesting that the Iowa Caucuses were stolen from Pat in the most crass manner possible. Then – after Buchanan won New Hampshire – things moved to South Carolina and the Super Tuesday states – all “counted” by secret computer count – and Dole, we were told, “won” all of these contests by crushing “landslides”, 70% to 30%, 80% to 20%, etc.
12. So now let’s consider the Iowa Caucus and the New Hampshire primary. These are the only two contests in the primary/caucus season that are basically counted IN THE OPEN. In other words, we the people can show up and watch the count.
To expand on a point above, I led a team in Dubuque, Iowa in 1996. By the grace of God, we proved absolutely that the Iowa State GOP and Voter News Service (the exit poll arm of ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, and AP wire – FOX didn’t exist then, but now FOX is part of the cabal) crassly stole 13% of Buchanan’s vote in Dubuque County. This story was carried by Chronicles magazine in November, 1996, and is available on the Home Page of our votefraud.org website. The local people and the local party chairman conducted themselves with perfect honesty. How was Buchanan’s vote stolen? The thugs at the Iowa GOP had directed all 99 of their county chairman to call the vote into Voter News Service in New York City. We saw the sheet directing the county chairman in Dubuque to call NYC, and Senator Charles Grassley later confirmed this astounding fact to Mrs. Lois Pusateri of Dubuque, Iowa in a letter. The criminals at Voter News Service simply adjusted the numbers (for instance, dropping Buchanan from 870 votes in Dubuque County alone to 757 votes) and sent them out worldwide via AP wire, a co-owner of the crooked Voter News Service. These false results were treated as the true results. Weeks of efforts to get the thugs at the Iowa GOP or Voter News Service to correct the falsified Dubuque number – were met with arrogant stone-walling.
Did the 5 Big TV Networks and the Iowa GOP cheat Buchanan in the other 98 counties at the Iowa Presidential Caucuses of 1996? Well, no one was watching those other 98 counties – but what do you think? IF Voter News Service stole just an average of 4% from Buchanan in every county – then Buchanan, not Dole, won the Iowa Caucuses of 1996. Also, please note, the theft against Buchanan and the American people in Dubuque, Iowa during the Iowa Caucus of 1996 – shows the mechanism by which all key elections can be warped and stolen by the Ruling Elite running the 5 Big TV Networks and the four Big computer “vote-counting” companies which “count” 96% of the vote in the United States of America since 1988. Of course, when the votes (evidence) are kept SECRET behind police guard, there is no chance to prove anything, --- as we were able to do in Dubuque in 1996, where the Caucus vote was counted in the open.
13. We don’t want a theft to happen against Ron Paul in 2008. Therefore, we are organizing for observers to be in all 99 counties in Iowa during the Iowa Presidential Caucus, which is scheduled to take place on January 3, 2008. The moving up of the Presidential election calendar by the RNC and the DNC, until right after New Year’s Day, still in the Christmas season, is, in my view, unconscionable Rico-Crime-Type activity meant to stop Ron Paul’s momentum, and give us Hillary and Rudy Ghouliani before most people even know what is happening. (On a hopeful note, Bob Schulz of “We the People” is filing a motion to delay all Presidential primaries and caucuses until all machines and computers are banned from the election process.)
***** We have set up a sign up sheet at www.WatchTheVote2008.com so people can volunteer to watch the count at one of the 210 polling places in the New Hampshire Primary (January 8, 2008), or at one of the 500 or so gathering places for the Caucuses in Iowa (January 3, 2008). *****
Walter Reddy, mentioned earlier in this letter, has begun LibertyBroadcastNetwork.com – which will also report on the night of these election contests, as well as get reports from those in the field. It is hoped there will be a constant audio broadcast that night, and maybe even a lot of video.
I just sent off $1500 last night to hire the lady who ran Pat Buchanan’s Presidential websites in 2008, the incomparable Linda Muller, -- who will be running our WatchTheVote2008.com website in the months ahead.
I would like to put at least $5000 advertising on the major AM Radio stations in Iowa and in NH in the next month, so that this battle over the vote can be explained to the public. And we’ll have “who-knows-what-expenses” to bring off everything in trying to watch the vote count.
So, if we are fighting you’re fight, please help. We’re already about out of time, so please help immediately if you can, so I can get the ads on as early as possible in December in NH and Iowa. REMEMBER, the Iowa Caucus is January 3rd, and the New Hampshire Primary is January 8.
Quite frankly, humanly speaking, we are again engaged in desperate efforts, fighting with squirt guns against the New World Orders’ nukes -- in this propaganda war. HOWEVER, I believe, and have seen over and over again, that when we take a small step, God takes a giant step. Perhaps this is on the principle that “God helps those who help themselves.” I am sorry that the financial burden still seems to fall on such a few of you valiant souls. We have raised just over $5000 by internet efforts, and we have a goal of $15,000 to bring off this effort. Of course, if we raised $50,000 we could make a much bigger impact. And, on matter what, I will continue on until November 2008 trying to do my part to expose and defeat the anti-Christ and anti-American forces which are ravaging our beloved country, and our beloved children and grandchildren’s generation. And I am sorry that so many well known voices that could help us --- still choose to remain silent on so many fronts.
But that’s the way it still is, -- so let us proceed like men and women. I believe and know that sometimes a pebble starts rolling at just the right time to start an avalanche. There are millions of young people who have risen against the Media-Blackout to support Ron Paul. They are ready to hear these truths.
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If you want to help me put on the radio ads, you must donate to: Jim Condit Jr. for Congress 2008, PO Box 11555, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211. or go to TheTruth247.com and hit the link.
If you would rather not show up in the Federal Election Commissions report, you can still help the vote count WATCHING efforts in Iowa and NH by mailing to: Network America, PO Box 11339, Cincinnati, Ohio 45211. Or by going to WatchtheVote2008.com and hit donate there.
You can also mail to the same address if you want to send a check to me and mark “gift”, which up to $10,000 requires no paper work on either side. I promise every penny will go into the fight.
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Thanks to those of you have already sent help and are praying.
Everyone into the battle.
Jim Condit Jr.
Votefraud.org,
Realnews247.com
Email: votefraud@fuse.net
P.S. You can see a few videos I’ve done on these subjects at www.youtube.com/jimconditjr and at www.TheTruth247.com
How could anybody doubt
that they will try to rig the election? We shouldn't be debating whether or not they are going to do it. Trillions of dollars are at stake. Oh, and they hate us because they are in charge now and we don't want them to be. The effort to prove the elections will be rigged is great, but it is also a foregone conclusion. If Ron Paul wins, there is no way he will ever be sworn in unless millions of people march to DC and sit there until they give in.
The Ron Paul campaign has
The Ron Paul campaign has specifically told these people to KNOCK IT OFF! They are hurting our cause. Take off your Ron Paul T-shirt if you want to argue this bullshit, because you certainly DO NOT represent Ron Paul or me.
Kill this thread.
Sorry
The Good Doctor would not ask anyone of us to take our shirts off. He would respect our opion.
Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility
The Affidavit is...
the most powerful weapon we have. It will take down the matrix of these rigged computerized voting machines! It is a simple concept. We need to get these in the hands of EVERYONE who plans on voting for Ron Paul. Whether you plan on voting by absentee ballot or in person, download it NOW, make copies, pass it out THEN once you vote, simply take it to your local notary (fill it out) and send it back to us. The bad guys will not DARE tamper with the software. They will not know if we will have 100,000 or 100 million sworn, signed and notarized affidavits coming in! We have NH and Iowa ready now. The rest of the 48 states will be up soon. Go to www.WatchTheVote2008.com. Walter is also working with this Vote Project and they will also available there. The site should be up later in the week, www.LibertyBroadcastNetwork.org BTW, I know what Jim C. stated is shocking but it's the truth. I trust Dr. Paul will take the right actions.I hope no one gets discouraged but decides to fight harder. Let's get out the vote AND get an affidavit in their hand !We will WIN! And give all you can Dec.16th
Okay PATRIOTS!
... and that's what we all are... patriots fighting for our country back. Well, there are things we know and can do something about, and things that are speculation and best sorted out by Dr. Paul.
What we know for a fact, is that the electronic voting machines are bad news for FAIR elections. I am a Systems Engineer and I can tell you that not only can these machines be easily rigged, but they were designed to be able to be rigged. It's been proven by studies at major Universities, why do think California decertified their machines...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12487029
... anyway, at this point, because of the "Help America Vote Act" and I love how they name this stuff, like it's really helping us out, the Federal Government has placed electronic voting machines nationwide. What can we do? Well, besides the NCEL that is in place, we can only do what is stated above.... backup our vote with an affidavit to provide the necessary ammo for us to contest the outcome of the election if we feel like it was stolen from us. That's about it, so take note of where to go in the thread above.
As far as the other speculation about Dr. Pauls Staff... it's just that... speculation. I mean, what if you took a job to get some campaign experience with a candidate that you thought wouldn't be going anywhere and all of a sudden a Revolution broke out and you found yourself swamped by calls and requests from thousands of well meaning supporters telling you that you better do this and you must be a plant if you don't do that. Sounds like a tough spot to be in too me. Bottom line though... if I'm the boss and someone on my staff isn't performing up to snuff, it's up to me to replace them. Let's let Dr. Paul take care of his staff and let's put our POSITIVE ENERGY into securing our vote and waking up the rest of this country by canvasing, covering this country in Ron Paul signs, funding Blimps etc... are you with me????
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman." -Thomas Paine
I am sure that 90k includes
I am sure that 90k includes expense reimbursements.
wow
wow
T.
To those who would remove this - a question
WHERE IS ALL THE NEEDED ADVERTISING FOR DR. PAUL? Doesn't a few million buy SOMETHING? I cannot comment much on quality - i don't hear it on the radio, etc.
i hear it sucks, people say it sucks, and I THINK we need NON- Iowa/NH states to HEAR ABOUT DR. PAUL because, damn the media is NOT gonna help us!
Let's see if i can make a simple equation.
MEDIA DARLING = EXPOSURE - FEWER ADS NEEDED
MEDIA BLACKOUT = NO EXPOSURE = MOST ADS NEEDED ON MEDIA
This is not Rocket Science, but if you want a Rocket Scientist to weigh in i will ask my brother. Too bad he is working for a different candidate.
Plus - ALL People in America still DO NOT KNOW DR. PAUL. Do you think we should just keep America in the DARK and just put a frickin flashlight on Iowa and New Hampshire. NO - ALL OF AMERICA needs something EXTRA and i don't give a f*ck how "out to lunch" or "unorthodox" that is - this is NOT a FAIR RACE = AT = ALL. Therefore, you need some sort of GUERILLA TACTICS - that you NEVER used B-4.
RUN A PROVOCATIVE :15 AD THAT COMPELS PEOPLE TO FIND OUT WHO RON PAUL IS. We keep asking, when are we going to ANSWER THE QUESTION? Of course i mean locals, in certain markets. I at least want to KNOW WHY and HOW EXPENSIVE the media buy would be.
GRASSROOTS - MAYBE WE HAVE A JOB TO DO.
The INTERNET is not nec. the exact psychographics as MEDIA. And it is interactive - it's not really traditional mass media.
That is my out of my REAR opinion, and boy - i turned on my computer to say this about advertising cuz i did not want to forget it, and then i saw a certain comment- Well, i'd like a SOLID GOLD TOILET but we don't always get what we want, do we. My point - we are uncovering common fears and goals here - and so what if Condit set it off? I am glad it is still here. I cry often. I know this is "it" - This is ripping my heart out - ripping many hearts out - we are bleeding. And anyone who can be calm and cavalier about this - is made of STONE in my stupid, idiotic, disillusion, overly passionate, patriotic opinion, if i am still entitled to my freedom of speech. 'The word is not the thing' - the passion is not the ACTION. You NEED THE PASSION before the action. You can always reign in a willing mob (us) but you can't get a rise out of a dead turd.
WTF?
On second thought - spare me the list of 'WHY WE CAN'T' - i don't want to HEAR any of that. That is for LAST CENTURY ok? You don't have to buy during the flippin NIGHTLY NEWS you know - ANY MORON watching TEXAS HOLDEM would perk up for the FREEDOM MESSAGE.
Who would like THEIR DONATION to go toward some advertising for Dr. Paul? MILLIONS of boob=-tube watchers oh, but =- WE OWN THE INTERNET - YUPPER DOO! That oughta get Dr. Paul into the white house. BUSH LEAGUE. We are being laughed at no doubt.
AND I NUCKIN' FUTS? WELL AM I?????
Ron Paul 2008 OR GO TO CANADA
Ron Paul 2008
Do you realize how foolish you sound?
Go to Canada? Frying pan to fire? Canada, one of the most socialist countries anyplace... LOL
oh, i'm sorry, i guess you don't remember we did that
during the Viet Nam War - it is a SAYING Jane. Duh. (ps - there are Canadians on this forum you know, so, hello up there!) Jane i don't know how young you are - anyone over 50 knows this phrase "F*ck it go to Canada" very common usage. No offense to the LOVELY Canadians!
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
I had hoped...
...this article and thread would have been deleted by now...
Agreed
I don't mind an organized effort to combat vote fraud, but the blind allegations about plants and the hysteria surrounding that.... yeah, agreed.
Blind allegations?
...sounds like the man knows enough to know what's going on in there. My question is, how can we help??? Throw a bone here we want to uproot the infiltration, how should we???
Javi S.
- Javi
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Furious-Primates/213314918711...
There's no hard evidence
The original poster provided no videos, no written documentation, photos, nothing. Just allegations that there are plants. Sure he might know what's going on with the vote fraud issue, but defaming people in the official campaign and stirring up hysteria... I mean, I'm not particularly satisfied with the official campaign's efforts either, but I don't think there are traitors in our midst. There's no evidence of that from what I can see.
Plenty of circumstantial evidence to fire the INCOMPETENTS
There is plenty of circumstantial evidence to at least make the cause to FIRE the incompetents.
Listen to Jan Michelson Aug 8 radio show on WHO -- and then realize that paid campaign staff sided with TED SPORER, the IOWA GOP leader who screeched Ron Paul was a loser and a 1%er -- and sided AGAINST those calling attention to the crooked Diebold machines, and who were calling for an open vote count.
Go to votefraud.org - hit audio/video link on home page -- and the first like is the Mickelson show, go to Aug 8,show.
I hear a list will be published. The time to clean house is NOW. The million or more wasted on that sabotage ad (First TV ad) --what more does anybody need to realize we need a Bobby Kennedy or a James Carville type defending Ron -- not the milquetoasts who are there. (I'm being kind.)
Why?
Is there too much truth happening? Maybe too many Ron Paul supporters will learn that there's a real subversion effort underway, so they can be vigilant and help root it out? Maybe too many of us will get concerned about voter fraud and do something about it?
Because..
You are inciting people to do crazy things like smash voting machines!
This thread is getting out of hand and I'm sick of babysitting.
Please, get a clue. I posted the radio ads for the person who claims he's not here so he doesn't hear them. Three of them. Just fine, and being run all the time on the radio to the point where someone complained he heard them TOO MUCH!
lets hope im right
First let me say,
Mr Condit if you were running for congress in my district, you would have my vote.
Now, let me say.. Maybe Ron Paul and his campaign aren't terribly worried about fraud? Why? Well Ron does stand for the true republican platform. He is a 10 term republican congressman. He hasn't just changed his views, maybe they like him? Maybe they want him to win? Maybe they want the people to decide? He isn't too far off from from any republican other then the war in iraq,, In which most GOP leaders were part of that same GOP that didn't like these kind of expensive, no merit wars. They are stuck supporting a party that was basically run by G.W. to represent this foreign policy, possibly?? If Gore won in 2000.. and he waged this war, where would the republicans stand? Maybe when Bush won, and he waged war they had to stand by it because then it was what the public and congress wanted.. now they can't change their views until a new nominee? I dont know,, I do know that Ron Paul is a republican, and running for the republican nomination. In which we decide.
If we are the majority. We are the republican party.
Thanks to Jim
Thanks to Jim Condit for his tireless work.
That the campaign is being sabotaged is true. Those of us in the Phila/NY area have been hampered by the Clifton Coalition from the start, and it will continue. Are there moles in campaign HQ? Maybe.... Probably. But if so they will eventually be identified and driven out. There's too many of us, and we have a moral conviction and dedication that they can't imagine. I think the general judgment of the campaign staff is emotion-driven and harsh. Many of them are good people who are running a conservative campaign, consistent with the style of Ron Paul. Yes, they have been lagging the grassroots, but keep in mind that we are in uncharted territory historically. Six months ago it would've been only a dream that we'd be where we are now, so let's pass around some due congratulations and stay positive. It's OK if the grassroots continues to lead.
How many of you are aware that the primary mission of the FBI isn't investigating crime? It's countering political dissent. Always has been. This campaign is just beginning to feel the heat, so get used to it, and renew your resolve. Now we have just a shred of an idea of what Martin Luther King and his supporters were up against. But this time more of us understand the cause, and as long as we stay together and keep building the movement, we will win.
Someone mentioned that this country was stolen, but not true. It was given away. Liberty must be protected vigilantly, yet the citizenry came to take it for granted, and did nothing as it was slowly taken away, brick by brick, from the inside. As a society we don't even know what liberty is anymore. We bought into the false promise of socialism, and now that's the only thing taught in our schools. Now that we've become a socialist dictatorship, people are waking up. Great, but if you want to blame, start with your great grandparents. It would be more constructive to accept what is, and focus 100% on fixing it, and don't write off anyone as unsalvagable (OK, the Bush clan & friends must go to prison). A lot of people still programmed and asleep are going to wake up soon, so be nice. We need everyone who will wake up.
I recommend reading "The Law", by Frederic Bastiat, to help understand of what our government was meant to be. It was written in France in 1850, as France succumbed to the socialist revolution. There is no writing more relevant for our nation now. The French didn't listen. Will we?
To address the electronic voting machines & fraud, I think it's about time that every Ron Paul group in the country puts that at the top of the agenda, equal in importance to canvassing for votes. We should be raising money for the lawsuit, getting the best liberty-friendly lawyers in the country on the legal team, and making sure that the legislators and courts know how many citizens are demanding they uphold the Constitution and return the entire process to the citizens. And we should also be filing a suit against the media corporations & party leaders for discriminatory treatment in the debates, which has introduced blatant bias into the electoral process.
Finally, if we sincerely want to kick the corrupt bums out of the political parties and government, then that leaves a lot of vacancies. It's about time our ranks started running for office, even if it's just township council, and getting groups together for a local GOP meeting and taking over the place. Truth be told, we've done almost nothing yet. Big deal, we dominate the internet. That will not win back liberty. The only way to beat city hall is to become city hall. If you won't do it for liberty alone, then why should anyone else?
Let's take back our liberty, as a team!
David
David - well done - but are you descended fr. the Mayflower?
While i agree we gave it away - you have to also understand how sneaky government is. It is only recently that the general public is finding out about bad bills aloft IN TIME. If you were not particularly politically savvy, you just did not have the resources to know you were silently slowly being shafted until AFTER the sh*t went down. That is how i feel. I can remember thinking, "Sh*t, how come we never heard this bill was introduced - where was i?" Yes, MY FAULT, but with people didn't go scrounging through some obscure publication - they just didn't know. And back then, media didn't report much, you know. It is so easy for government people to bury the lead - years ago we felt fractioned - UNTIL NOW. Now we have the internet and even the inept can be lead to the watering trough. Hallelia.. O MY GIDDY AUNT, i cannot even find HALLELUIA in the microshaft list - figures. Well anyway, it was all so - mysterious. Now thanks to the Internet those who live for politics will spew it all so others can get up to speed. And i agree with most everything else you said. BRAVO on tone and content. But i think the WILL has been there suppressed for a while - maybe not with grandparents but. Anyone who was alive when Kennedy was shot - that was the end of innocence anyway. and i would not blame my precious grandparents who fled the Bolsheviks! They barely spoke English upon arrival after all. They had to become citizens, so they must have learned something but... Well, i agree with you about Liberty,
PART TWO - some light reading...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
So
1. Estab. Gov to protect rights
2. Suffer as long as you can
3. Change it if you absolutely must.
So - where are we now?
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
5th is not great in horseshoes, OR elections....
Jim Condit Jr says...
"...Paul – according to the secret count conducted at the Iowa straw poll – came in a dismal and distant 5th. The Ron Paul paid staff said they were happy with this outcome. Those who saw a disappointed Dr. Paul almost alone in his tent talking with a few others after the Iowa “results” were announced, tell a different story regarding the courageous congressman’s reaction to the published “results.”
While I’ve waited a long time to say it because I needed to establish an unmistakable pattern, the Ron Paul paid staff is RIDDLED with Neo-Con plants and/or career opportunists who are more interested in staying in good with the Neo-Con thugs running the RNC, New York City, and Washington DC, -- than they are in winning the election for Ron Paul and America. More on this below."
END QUOTE
This statement - if it is true, then that is enough for me to doubt the 'synergy' (yuk, bad word, sorry) of the campaign,. If people are playing games to make "sound bites" on how happy they are - well screw that. And i have been fed that line also as in "Oh don't worry, we are doing quite well, right on schedule and even a defeatist attitude thrown in such as "We knew it would be very difficult to win - " type of thing. Well, i for one don't want anyone other than a real Paul fan in there -DEDICATED TO WINNING, and not just "running our best campaign, gee too bad we lost - see you on the next random campaign"
I guess i have to Google these folks next. - i don't think WEASEL WORDING is the style of Dr. RON PAUL and not of the people who GIVE THE MONEY either. Did the campaign really say coming in 5th was a happy thing? Who knows this firsthand? Sorry, that is my PET PEEEVE - an empty BS media response. There are ways to be credible, AND truthful AND poised.
Thank You.
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
Jesse Benton said that the week after the straw poll on . . .
Jesse Benton said that the week after the straw poll on . . . Alex Jones radio and elsewhere. There was also talk in Iowa like, "It's only one poll." and "There are others." -- a lot of defeatist talk, downing those who were trying hard to win.
The campaign staff walked around like they were at a funeral -- again -- more like there to manage the real Ron Paul supporters than leading a charge to win.
Jesse Benton, Jeff Frazee - You're FIRED!!!
Bring in the Trump... these two Neo-cons need to be shot for treason... oh wait, Dr Paul isn't Prez yet.. sorry. They definitely need to be fired. I say every single one of us call the campaign and let them know we don't want Jesse Benton anywhere near the campaign anymore.
~Joe
Rocking the Vote! Ron Paul & The Revolution!!!
Jim Condit Jr
While he might actually be right about the integrity of the voting machines, I have little to no respect for Jim Condit Jr.
That is all I am going to say and will no waste my time on this thread. (do some of your own web searching, you can stat here http://thecrossedpond.com/?p=1239)
Huh? Does not change the situation
That Condit Jr. link - yeah, we old farts all remember his name ad nauseum (sp?)- and all his campaigns - We know who he is. That link was weak and boring to me. And the TONE - geeze, like the sound of yer own keyboard much? I thought i was bad.. (i am) If this was another candidate, i might dismiss him for a crackpot - the thing is, we have been saying this all along. I gave a friend of mine his first "Ron Paul Baptism" and he was hooked, watching intently. Guess what his first words were? "Wow, he better be careful -they are really gonna go after him, aren't they - they'll try to shut him up - fix the election" I mean BAM - first impression. So Condit being a nutjob is NO CONCERN to me IF he really knows about that voter stuff. I say we FIND ANOTHER PERSON whom we can agree on as level-headed to weigh in on this - NOT from the campaign either - someone ELSE who has uncovered voter fraud. WHO? Thanks for the sucky link. (hehehe)
Ron Paul 2008
Ron Paul 2008
I don't know this guy BUT
I checked out his page. The FAX number, which would be a landline, is NOT in Cincinnati. Also I couldn't make heads or tails from his page at all.
That link sucks.
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism."
-George Washington
That's weak, PizzaDude -- how about the hiding of the ballots?
Hey PizzaDude --
That's pretty weak -- attacking the messenger?
So what if Condit is off base on other opinions?
He is trying to get an open count at the Iowa Caucus and NH primary. Are you? If you are not -- why not?
On wonders how many trolls are on the Ron Paul websites trying to drive us all into a ditch.
And I see Jane Aitken on here trying to apologize for Jesse Benton's and his bosses opposition to the open vote count movement? Why Jane? Why aren't you storming these people, who I hear you know, to shape up and try and protect Ron Paul's vote? What gives, Jane?
Inquiring minds want to know.
As was posted...
..by someone else, the machines are not even the same, and the campaign is not helped by hundreds of people calling them to complain about something they are already watching...
I'm not apologizing for anyone, except that it's mindboggling that all it takes is one person's rant, which I recommend be deleted, to get you all riled up and ready to mutiny and throw the staff overboard, staff you don't even know, when most of you have never even voted before, let alone know how to run a campaign.
DELEGATES
One more quick thing.
VOTES DON'T REALLY MATTER IN THIS PRIMARY.
delegates matter, no one candidate is going to win a majority of any state. Then it will be done at the state and even National level.
WE CAN WIN THE MAJORITY VOTE AND STILL LOOSE.
But then we can also loose the majority vote and still win if we have OUR delegates in place.
It is EXTREMELY important that we work with the Republican Party and become delegates. We already have one email from a Huckster meetup group that talks about the Libertarians trying to take over the state convention and that REAL conservatives need to become delegates.