Should Ron have stepped up?
Submitted by pil45 on Wed, 03/03/2010 - 09:39I know that there is a lot to understand in politics, you give a little to get a little, but I have to say I am a bit irritated at Dr.Paul for not supporting Medina more openly. How does Dr.Paul think he has arrived at this place in time?... so far, the pinnacle of his career.
The grassroots supporters put him where he is at, and when it came time for him to step up and openly and strongly support Debra Medina his support was weak at best. Did he officially endorse anyone for Governor? The GOP is mean to him anyway, so why stay in line?
Did he step up for her and I just missed it? I feel like he was noticeably absent.
I think his strong support would have landed her in a run-off, especially considering the landslide victory he enjoyed in his own district.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
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I don't think ANY endorsement
Would have made a difference. Watch "Hacking Democracy" and read the reviews of the electronic voting systems that the state of CA had done before they picked their system.
An honest person CAN'T win in a corrupt system!
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I am suprised this question
I am suprised this question continues to come up, people need to educate themselves on these issues before they start bashing people for things they know nothing about.
If Ron Paul endorses anyone other than an incumbent Republican he could and probably would lose his seat on the house financial services committee. If Debra was not running against an incumbent Republican he could have endorsed her.
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You've got to understand a LOT
of Medina's supporters don't have a clue about her connection to Ron Paul. Unfortunately many in Texas still look at RP in a poor light because they've been led by the media. Little do they know that everything they've come to understand about freedom and liberty through Medina was first espoused by Dr. Paul. Now that the election is over, we can start making the connections for them. I think Ron Paul knew coming out strongly for Medina would have hurt her.
Yes TLRP is right .
Jeff Bolton and John Wells of KLIF were two of Medinas biggest supporters and they were NOT supporters of Ron Pauls 2008 campaign.Mark Davis {and no matter how you feel about him} was very friendly to Medinas campaign and of course he was not friendly to RPs campaign.
A thought ...
I understand why Dr. Paul did what he did.
And it wasn't his voice (or lack of) that doomed the Medina campaign.
But my question is ...
Where was C4L?
And why didn't some big donors step forward in TX to finance an ad through C4L for her?
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Medina is on the C4L Board of Directors.
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/boardofdirectors.php
Sorry to say this but -
DR. Paul is wiser & more intelligent than you or any of us here could ever hope to be. The man knows what he is doing. If he was bound by some GOP rules then he plays by them --- he still posts via his blogs, site & vids. It's up to the people to seek & listen.
Also - you should consider being embarrassed trying to chastise a Good Man's name on a site of which you're a member & would not exist if it wasn't for him & his breathtakingly hard work. (What is the name of this site)??? He's had 3 bona-fide prestigious careers when most folks can barely claim one. (I consider a Military surgeon separate from civilian). Jeezus I've never seen a politician eat more crow than Dr. Paul all for telling Americans the Truth. Give credit where credit is due.
He even states HE ASKED DEBRA PERSONALLY TO WORK ON HIS TEAM.
He did what he could. It's not HIS fault Texans did not listen.
http://thetruthorthefight.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/ron-paul-...
Dear Defender of Liberty,
I would like to introduce you to a good friend of mine, Debra Medina. I have known Debra for over ten years and have always been impressed by her drive and commitment to principle. Debra has been a real defender of Liberty both in her home town of Wharton and across the state of Texas.
Debra has for years been a key supporter and member of my campaign team. As chairman of the Wharton County Republican Party, she has stood up to the big government establishment and fought to hold our party accountable to our platform and our conservative Texas values. Because of her leadership and organizational skills, I asked Debra to serve on the board of directors of my national grassroots action group, Campaign for Liberty, where she has played an important role in our fight to defend our Constitution.
In addition to her political accomplishments, I am proud of Debra for the person she is. Debra Medina is a loving wife, a home school mother of two talented honor students, and a successful business owner. Debra is a true success story and role model for Texans across our state.
I am proud to call Debra Medina a friend, and as a fellow Texan, I encourage you to get to know her. Debra is exploring a run for higher office and would appreciate your input on her effort. You can learn more about her at www.medinafortexas.com.
I am sure we will look to Debra for leadership in my community and across our state for many years to come.
In Liberty,
Ron Paul
http://thetruthorthefight.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/ron-paul-...
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Lacandy -
I guess your comment was to me since I authored this thread...actually, no one, even Ron Paul is beyond questioning. He's just a man. I am an Individualist and reserve my right to question ANYTHING. I don't think I need to point out that the good Dr. is in need of us as much as we are of him. It's symbiotic.
You say: " you should consider being embarrassed trying to chastise a Good Man's name on a site of which you're a member & would not exist if it wasn't for him & his breathtakingly hard work. "
Rediculous. I have worked very hard myself to further the ideals of Ron Paul and of liberty, I have supported him with my time and effort as well as my money. I do feel lucky to have this site, however, Dr.Paul is also the lucky one, as we are all here to learn, discuss, and QUESTION the things political that are taking place all around us.
Please take you high horse and go start your own self-righteous thread...but definately don't question anything, otherwise that means you're "chastising" the liberty movement and Dr.Paul's good name.
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pil
Of course it was to you - It's on your thread. And your post doesn't READ as if you are questioning him as much as berating him. You could find a more respectful & eloquent way to question his actions.
Whether or not he needs us is irrelevent & not the point i was getting at. He'd still go on doing his work as he has since the 1970's.
"Rediculous?" You've worked very hard? Nice DP track record. It wasn't my "high horse" since I am not Dr. Paul. Good try though. Oh & btw - I can post on any thread I want INCLUDING yours. :)
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You seem to be the only one
You seem to be the only one to READ it that way. "Berating"? hardly, you have thin skin if this thread is berating. In your eyes I could have found a more "respectful & eloquent way to question his actions"...thanks for telling me how I should do things, but no thanks.
If you feel like digging through my old posts from during the primaries you will see that I was talking to people on a daily basis, while I was at work and out around town, about Dr.Paul and ideas of liberty. None of my posts ever bash the Dr.. I am a new father with a single income. I can't donate a lot of FRN's and I don't have the time that others do to live here on this forum. It is sad that you would try to diminish and mock any help I have put towards Dr.Paul's efforts. We need any and all help that can be given, large or small, time or money, or both. You are obviously superior...that is your high horse. It's weird to me when someone will put you down because they feel like they have donated more.
And yes, you can post anywhere your little heart desires, but you still can't get me to stop questioning. ;)
All I was asking is if others had any thought on the subject, could DR.Paul have done more for Debra? You think that a letter published online that I would have to go and find was good enough support from Ron Paul, I don't think it was much of anything.
Respond if you want, but Im done with this thread, it's old news and there's nothing that can be done either way.
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Unless I'm mistaken, I
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe Ron Paul has some sort of agreement with the GOP that he will not actively campaign against Republican incumbents. Although, he does not need to campaign for Republican incumbents, either. Obviously, RP would only campaign for incumbent Republicans who deserve the support. I'm pretty sure this is what gets in the way of him being able to really push for Medina. If Perry was a Democrat RP would have been able to be more supportive.
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These pressure tactic
These pressure tactic "agreements" Dr. Paul accepts should be dismissed by him and he should publicly denounce them. To be blunt, he should quit his position and have greater purpose and power guiding government policies as a gadfly to Washington. He'd be ten times more powerful and effective working as an outsider. Why he thinks he's actually doing anyone any favors remaining a marginalized Congressman is beyond me.
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If you think Dr. Paul is without influence
right now, you are highly mistaken. Dr. Paul is probably THE most influential person in politics, despite the fact that he is almost never given credit for any of the changes we have seen grow in momentum until the rhetoric of DC and their lap-dog media has been forced to do a flip-flop. Have you not seen them as they began to parrot HIS talking points announcing themselves as proponents of the message he has been carrying to the people for 30 YEARS. Marginalized Congressman? No way, Dr. Paul may appear to tread softly but has a huge stick(us)...and they know it...and they are scared.
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These other insiders you
These other insiders you refer to are jealous of Ron's following, it's true. I've seen reference to his supporters on interview shows and news programs, the very ones the more monomaniacal among us call shills for the NWO, et al. Without all of the supporters Dr. Paul would be the same largely ineffectual, derided Congressman, lo all these years. The combination of timing, message and supporters is pure dynamite and difficult to ignore. Without all of these factors working together, I'm afraid there's really nothing the "opposition" has to worry about.
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are you kidding?
Ron Paul quit? Are you kidding?
Without his seat they would completely ignore him. Now he is able to get airtime for the ideas of liberty and freedom.
"He'd be ten times more powerful and effective working as an outsider."
Velveeta Underground, how powerful and effective are you as an outsider?
Dr. Paul has only begun to
Dr. Paul has only begun to gain a toehold recently and that is due to the economy tanking and the youth vote becoming energized by the same small government pro-freedom message he's been talking about, completely marginalized mind you, for the past 30 years! He is not a prophet, this just happens to be his time. I'm saying take advantage of it. If he were to quit and lead a national anti-big government grassroots organization with essentially the same policy ideas, he'd gain more supporters. As a shunned Congressman how much do you REALLY think you can hope to accomplish on the inside, following insider rules. Let's be serious.
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Velveeta is at best confused
Velveeta is at best confused about politics, and at worst Psi Ops.
"The casualty of partisanship is objectivity."
You got that right Hubris
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Sniping from behind a
Sniping from behind a keyboard and playing it safe for the rest of your life is easy. There's no blood spilled and you can dispatch anyone you want, but you will never be respected for it. If you are you willing to do a little critical thinking of your own, form an opinion and deliver it in a civil way, you only gain the respect of your friends and any who might occasionally disagree with you.
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was that
for me or Hubris? If it was for me I have 2+ yrs. of my own "critical thinking" & 'formed opinions' posted on here. Compared to your measly 10 weeks it's damn good. I also have the respect of my friends & owner here at the DP & so I'm not all that concerned about your feelings re: me. We have "civil" disagreements on here all the time. Hello!? It's a political site.
If your comment was to Hubris & not me then disregard this post.
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To the contrary, Hub. From an
To the contrary, Hub. From an outsider's position anything and all things are possible. Are you more effective as a member of an angry mob (just go with me on this), or as a party and rules-bound member of Congress? He'd not only be a lone outsider, he'd be the freedom fighting voice of the disaffected public. Politics is death, real life is action.
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it's the GOP guidelines.
it was more than pressure it's in the GOP guidelines he must adhere to ever since he became a republican.
it was copied and pasted here a while back. i would need to search for it.
and yes it's about keeping his committee seats which are powerful and a good tool with which to fight.
the good doctor is wise. he knows where he can make the most impact and keeping his congressional seat is it.
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I agree that he needs to play
I agree that he needs to play the game to get and keep powerful committee seats.
The RNC forced Ron Paul to make a pact
not to endorse any candidates running against incumbants in Texas. He was not happy about it and who knows what they threatened in order to get him to agree?!!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
yes Liberty Belle
But I think that pact was only for congressional members . Ron did everything but endorse Medina for Governor and I dont know if his endorsment would have actually made a differance.
Was there press on this?
If Dr. Paul made a statement about this, I'd like to read it in his own words, just for the record.
Even without the party pressures, it does seem reasonable that he only offered her measured praise, when a full endorsement could have proven problematic for them both.
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry
Actually, I know that is the case in a number of states.
If you run for office in a party. He may have had to otherwise not run himself under party rules. I suspect Texas tailored that rule just for him, though, since who else in Texas office would anyone care about for an endorsement?
Integrity means having to say things that people don't want to hear & especially to say things that the regime doesnt want to hear -RonPaul
I don't believe he endorsed
I don't believe he endorsed her but instead wrote a letter of praise. Some might argue that's splitting hairs but nevertheless it wasn't an official endorsement.
Debra's campaign cannot control what RP does but they do control what they do. Why they didn't promote this letter more is anyone's guess. It makes little sense to me.
The same goes for Steve Lonegan who did receive an OFFICIAL endorsement from RP. This endorsement was not highlighted on his website nor mentioned in any campaign ads. (At least none that I saw.)
Didn't I read that...
Ron Paul agreed not to endorse anyone running against an incumbent Republican? I could be wrong, but I thought I remember some flap about this when that came out.
True, he did say that though
True, he did say that though I'm not sure if that pertained to only members of congress or all Texas GOP members.