The Price of Liberty and 911 Truth, the Founders' Sacrifices
For the benefit of those posters who are sincere and not our assigned disinformation artists, transparently trying to bludgeon free people into the lesson "don't touch 911 truth or you will lose," let's not lose sight of the price which has been paid for our liberty and how short we fall of the Founders' sacrifices. We are talking about a single electoral loss in which our candidate walked into an ambush she was not ready for. Big deal.
For the paid disinformationists, your best bet is to turn yourself into your nearest police station and tell everything you know about your operation. All will be public one day, and you will be complicit, in mass murder, under the laws of this nation and international law.
Of 56 original signers of the Declaration of Independence:
Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the revolutionary army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the revolutionary war.
Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.
Thomas McKean of Delaware was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals, soldiers, or both, looted the properties of Ellery of Rhode Island, Clymer of Pennsylvania, Hall of Georgia, Walton of Georgia, Gwinnett of Georgia, Heyward of South Carolina, Ruttledge of South Carolina, and Middleton of South Carolina.
At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., of Virginia, noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis of New York had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.
John Hart of New Jersey was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his grist mill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Lewis Morris of New York and Philip Livingston of New York suffered similar fates.
Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin were among prominent Americans well known in England. Yet both signed enthusiastically knowing they would be hanged if caught and even if they escaped, Jefferson was risking Monticello and Franklin his wealth and world prestige if independence was not secured.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor."
So let's get off it. For every disinformation post and "911 Truth bad, repeat" post, either:
- Start or contribute some small amount to an ae911 money bomb http://www.ae911truth.org/
or
- Resolve to send todays post on Dr. Paul Craig Roberts to 2 more people who may not agree with you:
Reagan Official Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: "911 is Exploding in Their Dirty Faces"
The American Revolution was not over after the Shot Heard Around the World. It was thereafter a 10-year slog culminating in Valley Forge, where men lost feet to frostbite and underwent amputation without anesthesia. A single electoral loss? We will continue to run our candidates, some better versed in 911 than others, all well-versed in the Constitution. We'll speak the truth over and over and we will win the debate, and liberty.
(credit for above history to http://mhartzler.blogspot.com/2009/06/fate-of-signers-of-dec... )





















Jocean
Who are you tring to save?
It's a good thread,
and it's making the "Becker-heads" apoplectic.
That makes me like it even more.
5 stars.
Great topic.
Thank you.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Stop trying to Co-opt the Ron Paul movement.
Ron Paul's position is that 9/11 was blowback. Stop trying to overshadow of his defining issues on a Ron Paul site, to try to convert us.
Support Rand Paul by donating at http://www.randpaul2010.com/ and certified non-Truthers Peter Schiff at http://schiffforsenate.com/ and John Dennis at http://www.johndennis2010.com/
who's this "us" stuff.
You don't speak for me. And I'm most certain you don't speak for Ron Paul. How about you try to speak for yourself.. K.. thanks.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
LMAO!!!
You've been here 7 hours.
He has been here a lot longer than that.
The problem is that his old handle "Oruval" has been banned.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
LOL
You've been banned what... 3 times so far?
Time since someone joined a forum is no indication of the veracity of thier posts. Or thier intelligence.
I give you... YOU... as an example of how that argument doesn't work.
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Your argument is not with me ...
I was merely making a correction to an error.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
Point made.
I apologize for that.. I've had a long day with some really slow people that are considered experts in thier respective fields.
I'll go take a walk before I continue.
:)
~Live life to its fullest, with an open heart, open arms and most important... an open mind~
Truth
You would do well to deal with nothing but the truth to further your cause.
Naton
You are going to compare 9-11
You are going to compare 9-11 was an inside job by Bush and Cheney to the Declaration Of Independence and the revolution for independence and freedom? Are you kidding me!
Actually the person was explaining
how standing on your own convictions of truth was what the founders felt was self evident in what they did.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
OH! The Founding Fathers stood on principals, not behind a man?
They did not pick their favorite founding father and follow him blindly? They did not get in each other's faces and demand each other dig deeper and deeper into their very soul, to bring to the table the very best they had within them?
Well, imagine that.
Thanks for this.
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
I believe Mark Twain said it best:
"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."
5 stars
Quote -
"We will continue to run our candidates, some better versed in 911 than others, all well-versed in the Constitution. We'll speak the truth over and over and we will win the debate, and liberty."
you Sir I Salute you*)))))
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"How can we justify to the unemployed and underemployed in the United States the incredible cost of maintaining a global empire?" - Dr. Ron Paul
God bless, protect and guide us all.
Stand up patriots, stand tall with pride and spit the truth in their lying faces. Time is passing, the lies are crumbling, the TRUTH WILL OUT and liberty will triumph.
Spread the message. Question everything without shame or fear. Move forward in liberty for America and for the world.
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Nittgritt, if you're looking...
I saw your post here that was removed before I finished my reply.
Since it has been removed, I'm not going to post my original reply. Instead I'll just refer you to a post where I listed some things on another thread for someone who has similar thoughts as you so you can at least try to understand why some, including myself, may lean the direction they do. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/126218#comment-1354125
It's just "Nittwitt"
part of the latest troll attack, this time from the Becker-heads.
this is a website which denies access to non-truthers
I am not a truther and so my posts have been deleted and I have been denied access to certain posts. This is a web site for angry folks who deny voice to people who dont believe the truthers. :)
No, your posts were deleted because you violated guidelines...
...with name calling and insults. Remember, ahem, I saw your post before it was deleted.
It was not unlike most of your others. This business of trying to act like the deletion had something to do with where you stand on 9/11 is not going to fly with me.
Btw, when you get "access denied", it means the post or thread was deleted, or if you were trying to access a username, it means that user has been blocked, as with your old name.
Can't you use this newer name as a fresh start, learn from your mistakes and move forward?
Nittgritt, I know you are capable of writing without nastiness because we had conversation a while back where, even though we were not in agreement in the discussion, you managed civility and the conversation was good because of that. :)
Moving on...
Regarding what you said about Osama bin Laden, even the FBI has said they do not have hard evidence connecting him to 9/11.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm
The hijacking theory itself is rather damned by the revelation that the pentagon flight cockpit door was not opened during the flight.
http://0daynews.org/2009/11/breaking-aa-flight-77-flight-dec...
There are plenty of evidences that point to the likelihood of demolition and/or inside job, though, and I listed several things in my post that I linked above. Did you read it? If not, please do. I'd like you to think about those things. http://www.dailypaul.com/node/126218#comment-1354125
You are lying
I used to do that. My recent posts did not contain any of that. So stop lying and falsely accusing me of something. Dont assume something without knowing the details.
Obviously I read your post, nittgritt...
...or I wouldn't know what you said about Osama bin Laden, right?
Oh, and don't think that just because you're on the other side of the globe that I can't give you a good cyber spanking for saying I'm lying.
*spank, spank, spank*
You are a liar
Hey sanctimonious dog, it is true that I have posted some harsh before.
The post that was deleted merely said, stop this truther nonsense. Why your two husbands cant spank you enough you lying creepy filthy jackass? How many customers do you entertain everyday?
MODERATOR ! Please!
Thats quite enough out of you nittgritt. You need to go!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Who are you to decide?
Dont pretend that this is a "libertarian" web site. This will allow any atrocious theory about 9/11. No limits. Anyone who believes otherwise has a different set of rules.
You need to go and leave Ron Paul alone. He doesnt believe it was an inside job. So, please leave the campaign, you need to go. Get out please. We dont need insane people.
lying creepy filthy jackass?
My request for a moderator was not due to the 9/11 subject but to your vulgar personal attack.
You replied above:
"Why your two husbands cant spank you enough you lying creepy filthy jackass? How many customers do you entertain everyday?"
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Ah, this is the new and improved nittgritt.
My mistake.
Yeah, bcos I used the word "spank", right?
You lying piece of garbage.
Look nittgritt,
I didn't say anything about the insults in your original post until you suggested it was deleted because you are not a truther.
Gee whiz. Quit being so hateful. Simmer down and go read the information I linked to above.