What's the economy like where you're at because here in CA where I am it seems
Submitted by beverly33 on Thu, 03/04/2010 - 22:56to be worsening fast. My kid came home from school and announced his teacher is being laid off and a kid in his class was crying about it. Lots of people I know losing jobs and stores/restaurants empty.
It is making me wonder if I really want to stay here or not.
















better than when I posted in March, but . . .
it feels like a mirage.
For *us* we are working more hours than in March--but not sure how long that will last.
More money coming in, but prices rise.
There is a feeling of wariness. Agriculture (big and little) are big in my area, and I'm busy with my garden and fruit trees and can't worry too much about anything else.
It feels like the calm before the storm.
We are spending less money on necessities. Trying to find ways around spending money on necessities. Don't buy anything if it isn't a necessity. But we find that fewer things are necessary.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
In western Nebraska....
farmland is holding steady due to the influx of scared Colorado city folks wanting to buy farmland. For what purpose I don't know. The farmers are locked in there banker dictated trances, planting their GMO corn and soybeans while bitching about the low prices. Banks are slowly being downgraded at bankrate.com but no big crisis's yet. Home prices lowered a bit in 09 but have not collapsed. Sales are slower with the mid-range homes being sold as hunting lodge homes to the rich. Walmart's have essentially destroyed the small town main street and continue to sell the sheeple poisoned food and imported goods. The hog producers are wondering why the sows are delivering bags of water instead of litters of 10 and the bumblebees and honeybees are gone. Mill rates on taxation's are going up. Ben Nelson is busy kissing Warren Buffet's ass to try and write legislation to keep his meager little 63 billion dollar derivatives contact from imploding his 100K-plus/share BRK-A and BRK-B. Mind numb Nebraska wanna-be conservatives are walking around mesmerized by the two-party, Hegelian dialectic driven powers that be. I could go on and on but WTF for. Nuf said.
Home to BYE BYE BEN
Senator Nelsen is history in this state since he sold out on health care just wish I didn.t have too wait till 2012
Nice to see somebody else
from Western NE here on DP, Rexorooter! Does anybody here shop anywhere else than Wal-Mart these days! I bet 80% of the daily shopping, or more, gets done there.
As someone from SE Nebraska, I can definitively say
that no one goes anywhere but WallMart here either. It's tragic how much even a locally coordinated farmer's market is regulated against.
drove through laterally a few years ago and was amazed--
out in the middle of the prairie was this enormous Wal-Mart; didn't seem to be anything else around. Appeared to be the center of the 'community'--
having spent a bit of time there decades earlier when there was a main street--
I felt deeply . . .
choose one: saddened, disgusted, disappointed, disturbed, disheartened . . . etc.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
"As a teenager, I worked in the fields until those jobs
were replaced by machinery. We have to shift away from exports and towards growing real food if we wish to solve our food crisis. We need the proliferation of small farms based on traditional knowledge and Salatin-style innovation. Then we need farmers capturing more of the food dollar -- either through value-added, farmer-owned cooperatives or direct sales to consumers. This added income allows farmers to better care for their land and our food security. Governmental restrictions on sprawl, like those that exist in Europe, would do wonders to controlling land prices, thus food prices. One disturbing underlying assumption in this article is that work is some evil to be avoided -- a very industrial idea and something that Wendell Berry writes about often. If a farmer does not have to pay large amounts of money for various inputs - fertilizer, pesticides, petroleum, machinery, etc., an increase in labor costs is manageable. And if we begin again to value the work of farmers and restore the health rural communities flatten by industrialization , I think we'll find this work much more desirable as well. Need I remind you that many people moved to cities not because they wanted to, but because they had to in the era of industrialization."
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"real food, real work, and a real economy"
Submitted by April on Mon Mar. 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
http://motherjones.com/environment/2009/02/spoiled-organic-a...
The above is a reply to a Mother Jones article called:
Spoiled: Organic and Local Is So 2008
http://motherjones.com/environment/2009/02/spoiled-organic-a...
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
I live in NorCal
I'm east of Sacramento. Businesses are failing but many are still doing well. This is a relatively wealthy area, but I'm convinced that the economy is still functioning because people are living off of their IRAs. People are eating their seed-grain and as those IRAs continue to disappear so will economy.
I go door-to-door and sell Ron Paul books on the weekends. I talk to a lot of people. My county is considered one of the most conservative in the state, and it's flooded with liberals. It's amazing talking to people. They are almost either liberals who want to destroy the free market, or it's apathetic conservatives, or it's just plain stupid people that don't have a clue about anything. They are the majority.
In my opinion, California is a dying state. The people are hopelessly brainwashed and dumbed-down. I am hoping to move to New Hampshire for the Free State Project by early next year. When the shit hits the fan, California is going to eat itself alive.
In post America there will be conservative states and liberal states. There needs to be at least one libertarian state, and I am hoping it is New Hampshire. If you're looking to leave California, please consider New Hampshire.
http://dailyanarchist.com
In March and April
I spent a few weeks in Los Angeles County, and didn't see too much evidence of the recession, but Sacramento and El Dorado Counties were another matter. 9,600 business have failed in that area, and there are empty stores galore. I drove by the new Folsom High School (the same city of Folsom where Johnnie Cash was in prison), and can see why California is broke. That place looked like a college. Ridiculous.
In my area, north central Idaho, the stores have been consistently cutting back on inventory for the last year, but we don't have house foreclosures and all that. The housing prices are staying high.
In defense of Johnny, he only sang at Folsom.
He wasn't an inmate.
; >
Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!
Keep going!
If enough slackers leave, perhaps it will get better for those of us who stick it out... of course if most of those who leave take productive businesses with them... yikes.
What he said!
http://www.tragedyandhope.com
http://www.im2moro.com
Im in Minnesota, i dont see
Im in Minnesota, i dont see it that much but its here. The malls are busy, the grocery stores are packed. The real estate market is still declining. Its so hard to know how this will play out, will it totally collapse or slowly get worse and worse and choke people out?
Good thread!
I got out of Ca. while the getting was good,There are 5000 a month getting out.
"They used to come get you and lock you up because you were insane, Now they come get you and lock you up because you are sane"
Here in Mass
my phone is ringing off the hook. I have priced out approx 60-70 patios and now have installed about 15 so far. I am in shock. I told 5 of my men early on in the season that they need to look elsewhere for work. They convinced me to go back to the old style marketing by going door to door with our pamphlets.After passing out 20,000 of them my office staff was sitting by making appointments. i am starting to go out of my mind with jobs. Tomorrow I will have a full slate of jobs to look at about 20 locations for tomorrow. We have been putting in 70-80 hours a week. It feels like the old days. I am not complaining and I will take it. Sorry to hear it isn't so well in other areas.
save save save
take that blessing and squirrel it away
Freedom and liberty live! High tech and high touch!
QUOTE:
90/10 Principle
10% of life is made up of what happens to you.
90% of life is decided by how you respond
-- Stephen Covey
Take back the farm lands! Grow food and party and grow a local community the way you want it!
Don't let these sycophants stop you from anything! Risk approaching the fine, the penalty, regulation, the licensing . . . and find out how to make it happen for you. As you expose, expose, expose, you will uncover opportunities for yourself.
Demonstrate what it is to live without or with small government, and jump in the mix.
We've got fabulous food distribution networks througout California, and if the yogurt hits the fan, us pagan's loves to farm and party.
The shamans are popular out here too. But always be sovereign. (helps keep your sanity, and eventually, it'll guide you to the treasures)
Anyway, the pagan ways of California mixed in with the facist and sycophants are a giant "Woodstock" of sorts.
The archives of the Daily Paul has great information to build on.
Help California become a leader in freedom and liberty!
It's an amazingly diversivied state, to say the least.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Here In the Santa Clara Valley, CA
Can't say for everyone. I live in a heavily immigrant neighborhood. Many are legal, some are illegal. I feel very sorry for them, because they are every bit as much victims of the state as anyone else. Excess government has killed the economy.
My landlord is behind on her mortgage. She partially depends on the rent I pay her to pay that, and while I was unemployed for a while recently, I fell three months behind on the rent. She didn't kick me out because it wouldn't have done any good, as two of the four units she owned were unoccupied. Anyway I am working now as a software engineer with a contract until the end of the year. After that, who knows what will happen.
Local restaurants are really hurting. One of the first things to go when families have to cut back is dining out and other entertainment. There is a feeling of unease in the air, as if something dreadful will happen soon. I am not too worried because I believe everything that happens in life has a purpose, even painful experiences. God has gotten me through tougher times. Just when despair seems to be winning something good will happen and save the day.
I have noticed prices edging up. I think the FED's chickens are finally coming home to roost.
We have to remain level headed and calm. One good thing is that now many, many people know more about what is happening and what is causing it. I am hopeful that we are getting ready for the "perfect storm" which will bring on a revolution for liberty.
Northeast Iowa
by the Minnesota and Wisconsin borders - seems pretty insulated from all the financial turmoil. County just laid brand new roads along the river, summer tourism is picking up along the Mississippi River towns, houses are still selling - there never really was a housing bubble here, so the prices have not collapsed. I don't know of anyone losing their home, all my contractor friends still have construction work, gas prices are reasonable. Some friends who work for the Iowa University system and larger hospitals are afraid of the talk of layoffs, but none have happened yet. Larger companies are doing some inner restructuring of staff with some layoffs, but so far, everyone I know has been able to find work elsewhere.
I spent the weekend at the Seed Savers Exchange getting heirloom seedlings for my garden this year. The place was packed. Everyone's talking gardens. Lots of small Amish communities here, so no shortage of food availability. Most people I know are pretty are self-reliant - growing food, hunting, making it themselves. Some small retailers are going out of business, but for every one that has closed, a new one has opened. I have not seen any larger big-box stores going out of business in the larger towns - malls are still busy.
People talk about the economy, but none I know have been directly hit yet. Saw my chiropractor today - talked of the bailouts and the inevitable hyper-inflation - he says he just laid down his barley field and is building a new chicken pen. Seems like folks around here have some sense of uncertainty, but there's no real signs of breakdown at this point.
We moved to this area two years ago - bought land and are having a log cabin built by the local Amish. Lots of fertile land, water, local folks who have real skills and a strong sense of community.
Let government cut back
If they dont have money, they cut back, period. It is our government, make them cut back and get rid of property tax and let everything be done by private citizens and get government back doing what they are suppose to do. Stop letting government PUSH us, we own them.
Sticker shock at the grocery store
Yesterday, I went to pick up groceries. I hardly ever go, I buy bulk and grow our own food so I wind up needing to go to the store about once a month. It gives me an unusual perspective. I don't see prices creep up a few pennies a day, I see the end result. The price of apples has nearly doubled in two months, It is the time of year when produce ought to be going DOWN, the local growers re starting to get early crops in. Instead, things are skyrocketing. It was so bad, even a shleeple was commenting. A mother was telling her kid how cauliflower was too expensive this week, that maybe they would get some next week. Got that? The kid WANTED cauliflower and his mother said they could not afford it...
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.
I'm a student at a public Ivy
I'm a student at a public Ivy with a 3.4 and I've applied for over 50 internships and the only interview I got was because the CEO of the company lived on my street back home. Didn't even end up getting that job. Now I'm submitting applications for unpaid internships and I got a lead but it's no guarantee. Sucks to be a college kid looking for a job.
It sucks to be any young person just
starting out, with entry level positions too expensive for employers to fill. sucks to be an entrepreneur trying to get a foothold amidst all the regulations. sucks to be mid-life and find out your savings aren't worth as much as you'd hoped. sucks to be old and find out your pension is not secure.
In short-it sucks
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"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I am in San Francisco and it
I am in San Francisco and it seems like business as usual. Businesses are open and hobos are always out and about spending their welfare money. I haven't been to the wharf or any tourist area in san fran in a little while so i don't know how those places are doing. Market street is pretty closed up, although it's a pretty dirty place besides by the embarcadero and union square area. anyways, i got a census job so im stoked even though it's a federal job! work equals money, money equals silver when it hits 15 or 16 bucks an ounce!!! hell ya
I wouldn't stay in CA. It's
I wouldn't stay in CA. It's dysfunctional failed state whose rotting corpse is festering with the stench of miscegenation and devolution.
You need to go somewhere like Texas and learn to live independently of the so-called economy.
I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.
nowhere is safe
the only thing the American economy has going for it is that there is still a lot of stored wealth.
i guess
you are the product of generations of inbreeding?
Fortune Favors the Bold
we all have a common
we all have a common ancestor, so the same could be said of anyone.
I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.
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I refuse to spell it out directly for you, but there are places that aren't quite booming, but are doing extremely well. Hint, it's got something to do with the nation's addiction to fossil fuels. And we don't like too many strangers around here.
mesa, AZ Economy?
Is there economy left, or has poverty taken over, we are all hurting in all areas of the country, so lets pull together and not let greed run our lives! Economy report for Auto Repair in Mesa, AZ Hang in there make good choices.
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