Are the traffic cops getting aggressive in your area? It's beginning to feel like a police state around here!

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Just wondering if anyone else has noticed the cops getting to be extremely aggressive in your area. I don't know if it's revenue raising or macho madness, but a lot of people are talking about it around here and many are choosing to stay at home.

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we have an acquaintance who is a . . .

policeman--

has a 4 year degree in criminal justice; has never been in the military; is a 'family man'--

and we have a family member who sometimes walks in an area where cars are watched (there is a footpath near there as well)--

this family member and the policeman are known to each other, but not familiarly--

but the family member a week or so ago--lifted a hand and smiled broadly and waved at the policeman--

saying (yes, this is our child), "you taught me to look them in the eye and not show fear"--

and the policeman, whom we DO know--

looked away--

a couple of weeks later--

our family member was walking in the same area and saw the car and wondered if the same person was in it--

and before he/she could smile and wave, the policeman turned and looked at him/her, smiled broadly and waved--

not sure what it means, but our family member thinks that person spends entirely too much time in the car waiting for speeders--

I think it's not so bad here, but I'm always watching, always wary.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

It would be funny if, when

It would be funny if, when pulled over by the police, the people would bleat in response to their questions.

We do live in a police state

If you have ever passed a police car parked on the roadside and immediately looked to see what you may have been doing wrong, even though you know you aren't doing anything wrong, then you'll agree.

I have noticed that the speed limits on the little country roads around here are all being lowered to 45 mph. There is a road here that has no houses, drive ways, logging roads, no anything for about 2 miles it is now 45 mph. The state hwy (2 lane) that goes down to my in laws house. Is 45 mph all the way about 80 miles.

The only reason is to increase revenue.

I did something I feel really horrible about last month. I carry a .38 in a pocket holster in my right front pocket everywhere I go. Well, I can "legally" carry in Florida as well. So, we were down there to attend a trade show last month. I park and get my son out and along with my wife we start to walk to the convention center. Then I notice that every car on the left side of the lot has a department of homeland security tag on it. It must have been 50 plus cars. I was doing nothing wrong, and would have done nothing wrong, but the first thought that came into my mind was them stopping me and me being separated from my wife and son.

Keep in mind, I was "legally" carrying, and had no intent to do anything, but at the same time fear of the police state we live in caused me to return to the car and lock my revolver in the glove box, so as to avoid possible interaction with the police. All I could think about was the scenarios where they would disarm me and lock me up away from my son and wife.

I am ashamed that I did what I did out of fear. If someone had tried to hurt my family in the parking lot, I had disarmed myself. I am further ashamed to live in a country where we have people in power that cause the thoughts I had.

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I hear you--

loud and clear--

the confusion of which choice is correct--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I can understand all of what you say.

If they keep on, people will just start staying at home more, no driving means less gasoline tax.

Couldn't agree more Ralph but

Couldn't agree more Ralph but a car nowadays is a necessary evil. Anyway I've just bought my Barcelona Tickets online and I'm looking forward to seeing the game.

I work on the internet and use it for entertainment

and have found, if you plan your trips carefully it's amazing how much driving you can eliminate especially if you visit via Skype!

Our cops are busy fighting the red light cameras

and working with "Ban the Van". The sheriff here is ridiculous with his attempts to take jobs away from real live cops. We have only a very few bad ones where I live but they don't work as cops long.

Ever since we have had

Ever since we have had quotas, the head has to peer over the shoulder, looking for cherries, when, I might add you are completely in the right.. Night time is very bad here as well, as some have said bellow. DUI enforcement is huge! ..There must be some kind of federal money going to DUI enforcement if it is so universal.. I'm not saying DUI enforcement is bad, but I am more fearful of getting pulled over at night then I am of getting hit by a drunk driver.

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Absolutely. So much so that i

Absolutely.

So much so that i traded my car for one with about twice the 0-60 time, and now use cruise control stalks and buttons for gas pedal, instead of attempting to flow with traffic; with complete and utter disregard for how many people end up swerving around me as a result. I'm sure everyone else is less safe as a result, but what the heck. Even idiotic laws are enforced vigorously, hence must be complied with in our once great police state.

I really only drive about once every two weeks, but a good advice to those who drive a lot is to get the latest Prius, as it is cheap to run, and can be had with both radar cruise and lane keep assist. On a freeway with lane markers, it will basically drive the speed of traffic, up to a set max, and keep itself in its lane at the same time. All unattended. If you keep a WWAN laptop on the passenger seat or your lap, you can keep up with DP while the car commutes you :)

For those on the opposite side of the political / enviro spectrum, another option is to get the new F150 Raptor, and just drive as fast as you darned well please, where no police cruiser can hope to follow.

Either alternative works, and neither makes anyone any safer; but both keeps revenue out of the hands of our oppressors, and that's the most important point.

Yes, I have noticed it in Seattle

I live in a nice part of town (Queen Anne) and I have noticed an increase in their numbers. On Aurora Avenue (Highway 99) they have posted signs suggesting that there is a traffic safety program in effect. Right. Sometimes at night on Queen Anne Avenue they will park outside of a local establishment with headlights on pointing in at the patrons. I have never felt threatened in my neighborhood before but now I do. I have begun to rely on the bus and taxis when I go out at night. The increase in cops was freaking me out.

Uniformed presence is the first stage of projection of force on the use of force continuum.

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Have noticed increased and unreasonable activity

I know a young lady who just got pulled over tonight for speeding, had her car searched, and was generally harassed. She, like another friend of mine, are pretty sure they weren't speeding to the extent they were charged.

There's some fishy things about.

NO, I don't notice that. Are

NO, I don't notice that. Are you antagonizing them? Or are you trying to drive a wedge between us on this site, and law enforcement? Because that is exactly what our opponents want. Our opponents demonize us to the police. They tell the police that we are potential terrorists, or that we are violent, or the we are racist and anti-Semitic.

And they send people to this site to demonize the police and imply that the police are our enemy. This movement will never get anywhere if we allow the criminals in Washington to demonize us, to marginalize us, and to convince law enforcement and the general public that we are some kind of violent, dangerous, lunatic fringe.

Let's stop this attack on our police. If you have a problem with law enforcement, maybe we don't want anything to do with you. Our problem is with our politicians.

What are you worried about?

The so-called "police" can't read. As far as our problem with the politicians you must remember it is your friend the cop who enforces the crimes against the public. He is an INTERPOL agent and is commanded to obey no law at any time.

WEll Most of the police here

WEll Most of the police here in SW Idaho are nice and polite however they are still agents of the machine that enforce robbing people who have harmed no one nor committed any crime. That is called stealing. Without these agents the machine would whither and die.

Instead of giving the police a pass we need to start educating them. However most that I have encountered think they know it all and won't listen. The few that do usually end up leaving the force only to be replaced by some new rookie freshly brainwashed from the academy to believe that extorting money from people, arresting them for victimless crimes, etc. is protecting the public.

We had one department here who arrested a bunch of senior citizens at thier weekly poker game for gambling because they were betting a few bucks.

As more and more people loose their jobs and homes and continue to get extorted in fines and taxes somewhere some folks who have nothing left to loose will have had enough and things will get ugly. Yet these people who have no clue what they are doing just continue on and are even stepping it up... Sigh!

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The police are not harassing the Ron Paul people

they are harassing everyone. If you don't have a RP sticker on your vehicle how would they know what political affiliation one has anyhow.

The point is, they seem more concerned about collecting the money than enforcing the law. If you interpret the mere discussion of a topic as being divisive, then you must have a very limited range of conversation.

You're right, that the

You're right, that the politicians are the problem. What we need are politicians who will enact laws that force the prosecution of corrupt police. Until the good police start cleaning up their ranks they will all look dirty.

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Yes, I live in a very small town

We have our own police dept. and I'm not exaggerating, there are like 10 or more cop cars/trucks there all the time. Nearly every evening or night I'm out I see people pulled over in the same spots. Right on a main drag. There is nearly always two cops. I know from a friends experience that they are totally trolling for "drunk" drivers. They pull you over for any reason. A small light out around the license plate, 2 miles over the speed limit etc and then escalate it to where they want you to get outta the car. When you refuse to blow in their machine (never, never blow as it can be manipulated per an ex-cop I know), you automatically get taken to jail, lose your license for 6 months and must spend thousands on a lawyer. It makes me totally sick. Any one of us could be driving home from the grocery store and have this happen to us.

How do they manipulate

a zero reading?

I don't know if they can manipulate a zero reading. I'll have

to ask him for more details, but I know a low reading can be manipulated up due to hyperventilation basically. The harder you blow, the worse and they might make you do it a second time. Usually you are already very nervous regardless. He actually quit the force after seven years because he couldn't put up with the abuses that were going on.

North of Chicago

going into Southeast Wisconsin is ridiculous. Nothing but pork.... Heard they hired 250 coppers over the past few years on a Federal grant. The cops pull over the cops down there.

The young ones are the worst... military converts.

Cops pulling over cops is a

Cops pulling over cops is a good thing. They must police their own or they will all continue looking bad in the eyes of the public.

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I've never seen so many cop cars

I think it was that homeland security budget, they have more equipment than they know what to do with.

Yes. Revenues are down, call it job security...

Yes. Revenues are down, call it job security...Yesterday while on a 100+ mile trek from PA to NJ my wife remarked on the increased activity that she has noticed lately(she gets out more than I do). We saw a car pulled over, which is what sparked the conversation. Wouldn't you know it, about 60 miles into our journey, I got pulled over for "doing 41 in a 25..." When Officer B. explained that, I/we immediately asked for "warning"...Maybe it was the Ron Paul magnets, C4L magnets, or the "don't blame me I voted for Ron Paul" sticker, but, as luck would have it, Officer B. gave me a written warning...It is a pain in the a$$ going to municipal/kangaroo court in NJ to fight a ticket. They drag it out for 5 -6 hours even if your are being granted a dismissal, continuance, etc...Thanks Officer B.

Many More Young Rookies

Many more young rookies are seen in my area, which is a village and is nothing but a part-time police department. When I mean young rookies, I mean crew cut 20 year olds and most of them have replaced the long timers in the village. They are pretty good guys and I haven't had any particular issues with any of them. They act as the fire department really, since they only come when called for the most part.

Outside of my village the incorporated city cops tend be the code enforcers. They spend their time really going after Ohio revised code breakers and then use their fund generating activities of ticket writing.

Here are a couple of ways to deal with traffic stops that I have used or understand. This video is from an encounter I had about four months ago - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=443LDl7sy9s

and this one is something different, but important to understand in dealing with a police encounter - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN0B2VFEmJk

That's the sad part

people don't care till it effects THEM PERSONALLY. Don't give a squat if it happens next door, just NOT TO ME ?
Read the "Gulag Archipelago" Yes this DID HAPPEN
""And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward."
— Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

If you've been

to Lewrockwell.com and read stories about our "peace officers" you know that most of them are just revenue collectors, tax eaters and petty tyrants....

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I think Lew is right

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Revenue is taxation used to pay off the national debt

All traffic citations are an illegal executive equity excise tax assessment issued by an INTERPOL agent who has no bond, oath of office, driver's license, scope certification, appointment affidavit or loyalty to anyone but elitists that run the international banking cartels who drove this country into insolvency.

No, not yet.

The county sheriff takes a dim view of stuff like that. As far as the city cops go, this afternoon I drove by the cop shop and all the cars were in their parking spots, save one.