TODAY 3-11 in the US Court of Appeals - Historic Bailout Trial!
Submitted by sharpsteve on Thu, 03/11/2010 - 10:50
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EMERGENCY ALERT - Historic Bailout Trial 3/11/10 with opening arguments by Bob Schulz of the We the People Foundation will commence tomorrow. All patriots are needed to attend to witness and document this case. The constitutionality of the robbery of the Treasury of the United States by the criminal Wall Street Bankers hangs in the balance. SPREAD THE WORD!
Bob says there is not
Bob says there is not authority in the Contituiton for the Bailouts. He's flat out wrong. This will be yet ANOTHER lost case for Bob. And Bob is batting 100.00 in the last 30 years in lossing Court Cases, pretty good record. He NEVER wins because he's not trying to win, he's trying to collect a bunch of donations from people who: don't know the law, think what he says sounds good and are gullible enough to support him. Its been quite lucrative for him the last few years with all the "patriots" coming on board with him.
US CONSTITUTION
14th Amendment:
"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned"
If you have the basic understanding of sentence syntax then you understand that this says:
"The validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned"
If the people cannot question it, then it is by default allowed, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE DEBT IS SPENT UPON. If they spend it on popsicle sticks for Polar Bears to float on, you CANNOT question it. And if you CANNOT question it, then it is ALLOWED.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Please explain to us what
Please explain to us what public debt you claim was owed. Your understanding of this clause is wrong.
So what you are saying is
the congress can spend any and everything they want on any and everything and it cannot be questioned?
Why even have a Constitution with enumerated powers in the first place?
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Don't know who you are but you are 'dead' wrong!!!
Like the sixteenth amendment, this amendment paved the way for the bankers to create debt in the first place and is obviously 'unconstitutional'!
Mr.Schulz may be losing court cases but he is leaving a record for all the world to see: That our entire system is corrupted through and through.
If you take this demeaning attitude towards Mr.Schulz then it follows you hold this same attitude toward Dr.Paul who also 'loses' all the time, anything that is Constitutional.
Please stop attempting to degrade someone who has dedicated his life towards steering this country back to the rule of law.
Lucrative??? Lucrative???? You gotta be kidding. And just pray tell where did you get that source of information?
For your information, Mr.Schulz has currently mortgaged his farm to help with costs for initiating the Continental Congress 2009. Monies are still owing to Gary Franchi who provided all the techi/video/archiving/wecasting and is patiently awaiting to be paid. The entire Continental Congress 2009 was done on a shoestring budget and everybody who attended on their own dime!
How can you spread such blatant lies and deliberately cast aspersions!
I would like to know what you have done for this country that has gone beyond the lifetime efforts of both Mr.Schulz and Dr. Paul besides coming to DP to spread your bullshit!
You truly are as your name indicates, a thoughtless, wreckless, 'redneck'!
An unconstitutional Constitutional Amendment?
No, I don't think so. By definition, an amendment which is lawfully passed takes priority over anything else in the Constitution. It amends the Constitution. Duh. Like the 16th Amendment, the 14th sucks, but you'll need ANOTHER Amendment to get rid of it.
Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.larkenrose.com/store/34-books/2019-the-most-dange...
My guess is this character
"TxRedneck" has done absolutely nothing.
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I think Tx is right.
The language is clear:
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, shall not be questioned.
As I read it... it says, once congress approves and the president signs it, you need to sit down and shut up because at that point the debt, regardless of source, is legitimate. If they pass it, you owe it.
Debt and loans or gifts are
Debt and loans or gifts are completely different things.
It must clearly be defined as debt to be legal.
Now there is a bit a a
Now there is a bit a a conflict in what you say and what Bob says. He says clearly in the video above that the solution is that he thinks "they should give it back" speaking of the bailout money. Well, if it is a Loan, then that is what a loan is. A loan is something you give back. So you are talking of a loan, but Bob is obviously NOT talking of a loan as he wants them to give it back, which IS what a loan is, and if Bob saw it as a loan then his case is pointless. If he sees it as a loan, and his solution is for them to give it back, this is contradictory, because if it is a loan then HIS SOLUTION is the NATURAL result of a loan.
Is Bob really going to court to DEMAND that these Companies repay their loan? Isn't the Government ALSO demanding that they give this money back?
Debt is by default CLEARLY defined as spending money you don't have. Every time the Government spends money they don't have it is debt owed and it is added to the National Debt.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Once you pour a cup of water into the ocean
it's impossible to take it out. Once the loan, gift, grant, expenditure of any kind is authorized, how are you going to demonstrate that it isn't funded with debt?
Whats your point?
So, you think its a 'waste of time' what Mr. Schulz is doing?
I am here to say it is not. Due diligence must be shown for the record.
Mr. Schulz is legally strategic in his efforts. Due diligence and due diligence alone paves the way for the ARTICLES OF FREEDOM to be asserted by the people and for the people.
While you are sitting there 'pouring your water into the ocean' just know there are those of us who see through the
ruse and are working towards restoring this country under the rule of law.
Due diligence is far, far more threatening to all the traitors who work for foreign/special interests running amok within our political system while attempting to undermine our sovereignty and rule of law.
Violence could never achieve the potent 'light' effects that the de jure rule of law has on those operating in the shadows.
They are terrified of due diligence because of the way it has of shedding light on their dark intentions.
LOL!!!
Alrighty then. I hope that works out for you!! hehehe
Hey "Just a guy"
Why are you here?!
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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity
I am proud to have donated to the CC2009 numerous times!
I can't imagine how hurtful it is for Patriots such as Mr. Schulz and Ron Paul to see comments such as the one by Redneck!
"The validity of the public
"The validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned"
I think the validity of the debt is not in question. It's not like the US is trying to avoid paying some debt. I think the problem is why did it occur. Where is the "authorized by law" part. The bailout is not public debt, it is a loan. The US government is getting paid back. I will think that this amendment comes in play if we talk about China or the Social Security Trust fund. We can't challenge the debt that US occurred with China. But there is a questionable validity to this LOAN aka bailout.
I don't think this is or should be about the legitimacy ofthe US public debt legislated by the Congress.
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Bob is going to court to
Bob is going to court to QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THE DEBT. PERIOD. The Bailouts were Authorized by Congress, which means they were Authorized by Law.
The debt incurred to maintain standing Armies during times of peace are another example of debts that are not authorized by the ORIGINAL Constitution, and actually the debt to maintain such Armies is FORBIDDEN in the Constitution of 1789. And there are MANY MANY more examples of debt not authorized by THAT Constitution. Virtually NONE of our debt is authoirzed by THAT Constitution. But the original Constitution has been amended since 1789.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
Just because they were
Just because they were authorized does not mean they had anything to do with public debt. Your understanding of the clause in 14 is wrong.
So anything passed by congress
is not able to be questioned because the "validity of debt" cannot be questioned?
Damn, there are some dedicated MORONS out there, wow.
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Freedom - Peace - Prosperity
You're reading more into the
You're reading more into the 14th Amendment than what's there. It's merely saying that a lawful debt ("authorized by law") will not be repudiated. It doesn't mean that Congress can do whatever it feels like and spend public money on otherwise unconstitutional functions. The bailout was NOT constitutional.
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"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- Joseph Goebbels
If you choose to use the word
If you choose to use the word "repudiated" instead of "shall not be questioned", makes no difference and means the same thing, THE PEOPLE CANNOT QUESTION IT, or as you'd prefer, repudiate.
Repudiate: 1 : to divorce or separate formally from (a woman)
2 : to refuse to have anything to do with : disown
3 a : to refuse to accept; especially : to reject as unauthorized or as having no binding force b : to reject as untrue or unjust
4 : to refuse to acknowledge or pay
(Merriam-Webster)
Bob CANNOT "to refuse to accept; especially : to reject as unauthorized or as having no binding force" the debt. Bob has no standing to reject as untrue or unjust in regards to the debt. Bob can be fined or inprisoned if he refuses to acknowledge or pay.
Bob CAN divorce or separate formally from the debt, but not in a Court Room, and ONLY for himself. Of course this is not his tactic, and he has in the past even rejected this method of gaining freedom. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it too.
"The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law"
The comma "authorized by law" means any debt that Congress passes. Congress is the one that makes things "lawful" under the 14th Amendment.
5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
If no one is allowed to question (see also definition of repudiate...) then Congress has no limits on the credit it creates. Like I said, if Congress wants to buy popsicle sticks for Polar Bears to float on, IT CANNOT BE QUESTIONED, or as you'd prefer IT CANNOT BE REJECTED AS UNAUTHORIZED UNTRUE OR UNJUST, OR REFUSED TO PAY OR UNACKNOWLEDGED.
It does not SAY that Congress can do whatever it feels, but that is the result that it creates.
Everytime Treasury writes a Social Security check to an individual, a PERSON, it is bailing them out. Everytime the Courts cancel the debts of an individual, it is bailing them out. It has been doing this for 7 decades. There is no difference, in the Legal system, between a private Corporation and an individual person. There may be a difference IN YOUR MIND and in the minds of others, but in the Legal System there is no difference. If the Government has authority to bailout persons, then that includes Corporate persons if Congress desires it be so.
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"Ehhh, What's ups Doc?" B.Bunny "Scwewy Wabbit!"E. Fudd
People's Awareness Coalition: Deprogramming Sequence
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The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!
Keep this going folks.
Many people are not familiar with Bob Schulz yet.
They don't realize he's been single-handedly suing the government for violations to the Constitution since the early 60's.
He spearheaded the Continental Congress 2009 through his We The People Foundation For Constitutional Studies with the resulting resolutions being THE ARTICLES OF FREEDOM.
These AoF were finalized January 31st and all ready for Americans to sign the pledge.
April 19th, the delegates will meet at their respective State Capitols across USA, they will be hand delivering these Articles of Freedom to each elected official putting them on notice to cease and desist anything unconstitutional.
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Don´t see any chance
they will let this case win.
A worthy cause though and might be a step to wake up some more people.
/Mike
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