Man has to wait for operation - broken foot/leg...
Submitted by RonPaulSwede on Fri, 03/12/2010 - 02:27
Just wanted to share this with my american friends.
As you know we have social healthcare in Sweden and what that means is that it makes que´s, you have to stand in line and wait until it is your turn if you for example need a operation.
This is a good example (of many) what happens with this system:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article6763673.ab
I know you can not read the swedish text but what it says is that he has walked like this for 3 months and is still waiting for help. Is this what you want? I don´t like your system either because the hospitals charge whatever they want and no wonder the insurance is high, you probably already knew that though.
What are your thoughts when you see this?
Well, they have been cutting down on medical staff for years
here in Sweden.
Last time I was at the emergency room, I had to wait 5 hours, before I got help.
In elderly care, they have to few rooms and staff.
Well it´s a complete failure.
/Mike
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Akuten är ett stort problem,
Akuten är ett stort problem, ja.
Emergency room is a big problem, yes.
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Not to mention the dentists
State dentists drilled and put mercury in many teeth unnecessary. I stopped going there and to private instead.
My new dentists told me all my fillings was unnecessary and they drilled just to prevent, not cause of need.
I will never send my children(If I have any) to state dentists.
Private dentists care about you being a happy customer, or you won´t come back. State dentists don´t care. Same for all health care.
/Mike
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Rationing is inherent
in any government-payed system.
That's something Obama fails to mention in his current demagogic speech tour.
In Britain, they call it NICE (isn't that cute?): http://www.google.com/search?&q=NICE+NHS+rationing
Anyway, any market which government enters and props up in one way or another is going to experience price inflation:
Mortgages: We all see how well low interest rates and govt. mortgages worked out. Soaring house prices. Don't fall for the stupid idea that no one will be able to buy a house with out Momma Government. If there were absolutely no mortgages available, people would have to buy out of pocket. Effectively that means sellers expectations would have to come down to earth to about a couple years of median income.
Education: $30k for 3rd rate schools like Villanova?
This is due to government grants and guaranteed loans. Even in the current situation, most state colleges are affordable, and would be much more so without the empire building prevalent today.
Health care: Like Peter Schiff likes to say, the only area of health care where prices are coming down are those not covered by insurance: Lasik and cosmetic surgery.
Areas for reform:
*Make cheap multi-year term health insurance available (for big stuff like heart attacks).
*Tort reform
*Cross-state competition
*Revoke anti-trust exemptions for insurance
Rationing is always with us on everything
But in a market economy the rationing is done by supply and demand. If you don't have the money then you don't get it. You have been rationed by your own lack of resources. Don't like it then get to work.
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what about lawyers?
Swede, question for ya. If this man loses his leg or can no longer walk properly, will he be able to sue the hospital for say $10million?
I know it may sound odd but that's exactly what happens in this country every single day. We have more lawyers, per capita, than any other. They rule everything here - Congress is loaded with em.
We blame the insurance companies (and yes, they do suck) but at least they pay medical claims. Lawyers do nothing but rape and pillage. Every time they score one for a single, unlucky "victim", we all have to pay the price.
Until we get some major tort reform, healthcare will always be broken.
Sue the hospital?
Hahahaha, aaaa maan there is NO WAY you whould sue them, maybe if he died or something then the family could get compensation of some sort. 10M US$? Let me tell you what, there was one accident with a woman had a dead child in her (it died of natural cause), she had to wait with it almost 1 week, can you imagine? 1 week carrying a dead child. She got nothing because hospitals are government owned in Sweden (or "states owned", we call it "kommuner").
Sweden is devided into many different "kommuner" similar to your states but we can´t do whatever we want in them like you can (could ^_^).
We do have private healthcare also in Sweden and whenever you need to fix your knee or other similar operations it is the best and it is MUCH faster, all the politicians here use it (they give the shit to the people).
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Just curious, Swedes
Ok so if you sue a hospital in Sweden, you basically get nowhere since they are government owned.
But what about the doctors? Are they government employees and therefore the same as hospitals? Or do they need to have private malpractice insurance as is the case for most MDs here in the U.S.?
The worst thing about the Obama plan is that docs here are going to be forced to work in a government controlled rationing scheme, but still subject to the current malpractice system.
Can you imagine being the Orthopedist for a guy like the one with the broken leg in Sweden and explaining to a U.S. jury or state medical board why you didn't perform surgery for months? Good luck with that.
The doctors get their payment
The doctors get their payment from the state (kommunen) I think so if something happens then the state will help. If they mess it up badly though they will get the boot, it has happened many times.
So no, you can´t sue the doctor, I have never heard of this.
I don´t think they have any private insurance because the state hired them so they are the ones to go to if the doctor screws up.
Funny thing (as I said before) is that we have private hospitals also so if you have money you can get a much better experience if you want. From my understanding of the "Obama-plan" it will make everything government controlled?
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Thanks RPSwede. The obama plan
as near as I can tell tries to maintain an illusion that the government does not control everything. For example it will maintain "private health insurance" plans, but mandate that everyone have insurance, and tax some to subsidize others to buy it. It will mandate what an insurance
plan must cover, what it may charge, what tests, treatments and medications may be provided and how much a hospital or MD gets paid for treating any particular condition.
So while they will claim it is private it will be so regulated that it is de facto government controlled-in other words the worst of both worlds.
My personal suspicion is that this is doomed/designed to fail and when it does will be used as a justification for straight up socialized medicine.
Congress members and their families will naturally be exempt and the wealthy will find a way to get better care, as is the case everywhere.
As for doctors getting sued, there are very few doctors here who have NOT been sued, often multiple times. Even if the claim is completely baseless and without merit it can take years to resolve, becomes a matter of public record, trashes their reputation, raises their insurance rates, wastes enormous amounts of time, results in huge legal fees, stress etc. etc. etc.
thanks
for the reply, most educating and something we NEVER hear about on the news.
As for doing whatever we want in our states, I live in Maryland and it is very close to a police state. We have speed cameras, street cameras, red-light cameras, Orwell would be proud. We have local police, county sheriffs, state police, FBI, homeland security, etc. About all we can do legally here is go to school, work and spend money.
I don't feel very "free" here and will keep searching for a better place, one day perhaps.
Ciao!
I want to move to USA but I
I want to move to USA but I don´t know what state to move to, I want as low of a crime rate as possible please ^_^.
How are swedes perceived in USA?
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Thanks so much for sharing this!!
Our country needs to be able to see and know things like this. As a physical therapist here, I can attest to the danger of this, not just the inconvenience!! The bone heals this way, and then would need to be rebroken to be set the way it should!! In the meantime, infection or gangrene can set in. (Look at the purple/reddish color of this man's leg.)
No, our medical system here is very sick, too. In my opinion the insurance companies have ruined it. They skim off many dollers which could otherwise stay with the patients. In addition, if there were no insurance companies, the medical prices would also have to be reasonable. Not many persons could pay $130 per 1/2 hour for physical therapy (like my old employer the hospital charged), or 1500 for a heart test, like I paid a few years back. That is just ridiculous. Very very few people here grow old and die and have anything left financially wise ... it all ends up going to medical care, or nursing home care. It is so sad to see the stranglehold the financial people have over the population of our country. We have to break it, somehow. In the end, we have ended up being only slaves for the government, the banks, the insurance companies/medical financial firms, nursinghomes, and finally, the undertakers. It would be very interesting to find the average amount a person ends up being worth when he/she finally dies, in our country. I don't think it would be very much.
The only solution
is no government involvement and insurance reform where the provider of the service does not have contact with insurance. No one should know if a person has a particular insurance or not. Only the person paying for the insurance should deal with the insurance company. Insurance should be a very private matter that should never be disclosed to any provider of service.