Jesse Ventura - The Patsy or Vehicle to bring down RP 2012?
Submitted by OctoBox on Fri, 03/12/2010 - 10:12My thoughts on this were triggered by 1 thread and 1 post.
Liberty_Belle's Post: Go Here
and Xntryk1's Thread: Go Here
I'm not saying either agree with me here - just some thoughts.
Ventura has been seriously duped by the MSM before (read Liberty_Belle's post) and he is very much part of the Revolution; how will this effect RP 2012? Or any-all RP Candidates?
Or do you think they just let him and his book on national television (on The View) mistakenly, when Ventura blames the MSM for the wars after 911.
Is this MSM redemptive therapy or strategy?
Maybe, the MSM wants 911-Truth (Ventura's Book) to come out this way -- the final straw; where the world then demands U.N sanctions on the U.S, confiscate gold for debt, pay off $6Trillion or so in Reparations for Illegal Wars, shred dollar entirely and create one world gov't / one world currency?
With Ventura as the vehicle or patsie?
I believe the questions are misdirected
I believe the questions posed, "patsy or vehicle" are weak choices, based on weak premises.
Why should he have to be viewed as either or both?
Ventura said that he hadn't fully discovered MSNBCs' contractual limitations until after they pulled the rug out from under his promised show. What I read this thread implying is that this is proof of being bought-out.
Jesse seems to have taken it as an opportunity to buy some Mexican real estate and time to research and reflect on what to do with what he knows.
Even though he and I have vastly different world views when it comes to a Biblical origin vs Venturas' humanistic evolution theories, I can still respect him more than many who say nice words with false meanings.
For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst and provide for it. - Patrick Henry
Then you didn't read clearly (not to be to blunt)
Ventura himself said he was made wealthy to be silent.
He was DUPED.
He was DUPED then allowed to "come back in"
----The media is not an "open" door; there are people much more popular who are not allowed in. Why was he allowed back in to be a Conspiracy Theorist when all other actor conspiracy theorists (more popular than Jesse) were smashed to pieces.
----Ventura as seen by Top Navy Seals: The Real Ventura
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i believe ventura is with us.
i believe ventura is with us. not everybody in the movement makes us look good.
Ventura has lost all credibility
By hosting that new show its made him as hokey as those ghost hunter shows or bigfoot searchers. If he were serious he would have patterned a show like Huckabee and brought on guest that weren't so creepy to discuss those issues his show addresses. He's hurting us, and I'm thinking its all for the money, just like Palin. The dollar trumps all.
i don't trust ventura...
its one of those, "my head says believe him but my heart says look out" things
something about him scares me...he knows more than he is saying but he is one of those wrestler type guys who has to build it up to sell it to you...a sort of come back tomorrow and i'll tell you then kind of thing
if you know something jesse, out it!
so, in the final analysis, i do not trust ventura
as to a patsy or a vehicle? too smart and too egotistical to be a patsy i think he is another vehicle for the NWO...he has already been paid LOADS of money with more to follow as "they" know that is his weakness (like most people)...greed, ego
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
Agreed!
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[I changed my mind]
I don't think he is a Vehicle I think he is a Patsy.
This is based on the Joy Behar interview.
He's got Vehicle tendencies though == I'll give you that.
In either case IT'S BAD and we should distance the RP Revolution from him as best we can.
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I was asleep on this--
and now realize that living in a state of constant 'paranoia' (not properly used) or suspicion is going to have to be my typical condition.
It does exhaust *one*.
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Always hit ctrl-a then ctrl-c in the comment section
My post was deleted for "evil" of some sort.
You guys are missing te OP Thread Point/Question.
Is Ventura a Patsy or is he a Vehicle?
Patsy -- He didn't see the networks setting him up in 2003; however, he took the "hush money" (he even said he was made rich to be silent).
Still under Patsy -- He is now given a kooky conspiracy show; regardless of how you "feel" about Jesse he looks and sounds like he's crazy (or the fact he might of been a "never take them seriously" former drug using WWF wrestler), you must admit none of this is a coincidence. I mean I LOVED WWF when I was a teen in the 80's, but we would of never elected one a govenor (not in the mid-80's).
Patsy (cont) -- He has a conspiracy show #1 He was given The View interview with the intention of talking about his book. Why? Why is every other Truther crushed in the media but the Morlock is given a Huge Pass (I mean Huge)! The only time they ask Sheen about 911 is when he's coming out of drug rehab.
Vehicle OR, he's a willing participant. Because he's not a dummy (he's a genius), he took the pay-off consciously (groomed himself for the "hush money"), and given his connection (love fest) in the Revolution is in perfect position to bring Paul down in the 2012 and the future of the Liberty Movement.
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Can I get an honest assessment as to why jocean ...
was banned?
Did I miss something, or was it just the typical "truther" slant?
I woke up this morning and noticed his thread was missing and then I noticed he was banned.
I would appreciate a response.
Thanks in advance for your response.
WAHOR!!
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/48994
I Thought He Was A She
Actually, he, she didn't do anything here that was unusual.
The Ron Paul purists are not unheard of, use to be more of them huh? I respect their view to an extent. And, Michael can shut down the 9/11 discussions at will. I give him that freedom.
A difficult situation.
I didn't know he was banned.
But my first reaction would be to ask, "How many times has he been banned now, under how many different names?"
Because he was about the most obvious repeat troll that's ever been here, and very notorious in the past.
And he was obviously repeating his pattern again, by using his baiting tactics, trying to get others banned by provoking them.
I'd like to know that too
I didn't agree with him, but I thought he didn't behave "wrong". Maybe I'm wrong here.
Napolitano: "We need Ron Paul now!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k3JNRTVI0Q
I see many red flags
when it comes to Ventura.
The man flat out avoids mentioning Ron Paul...why is that ?
You Guys Are Funny, Some Of You Are
What are you here for if you think that "they" control everything! It's as if, you can't do anything because, "they control all things".
So.. why don't you lay down your arms and give up, you're defeated already.
They do not control everything, yes I know, "it appears that way", oftentimes. Or, may, it may appear that way. Or, does, it does appear that way.. still doesn't make it so!
Seems, seemingly.. it seems that they control all things. That doesn't make it so! It sure does seem like it, well.. that doesn't make it so either!
Seemingly, it appears, this way, that way. Nope, doesn't make it so.
Because you don't get your way, you say.. "they control it"? Who said that they "let Jesse on air"? Maybe he forced them.. authority, that you know nothing of?
Hitler used the media and propaganda.
USSR used the media and propaganda. China uses the media and propaganda. I think I see a pattern. "I may not know the truth but I know when I am being lied too."
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
The good Lord is in control at all times,testing our hearts and
minds. He will in his time allow His plans to be revealed. They are the wicked ones the devil sowed in the field among the wheat while the farmer slept. The main stream media is they ( The Corporation of Interlocking Directorates ) Look it up smart guy,where have you been for the last century ? The Ruling Class that owns and operates Gold,Oil,Drug and humans
Here is one of " they "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU
I understand your scriptural reference--
interesting metaphor--
but I really, really like the youtube of Cynthia McKinney--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--
Correction: Not As Funny As It First Appeared
Is your faith a dead faith? A religion without, vanity? A vain religion? You have no faith other than to sit around and wait on Him without faith, you mock someone who told you some truth based upon faith.. where He is, there is Liberty? So, where is your Liberty?
Update:
There is a wealth of information in what you said, in what you say.
Are you giving them, the MSM, more credit than they deserve, overdue credit? Exaggerated credit?
Yup
Yup
The slogan press on has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race. No person was ever honored for what he received. Honor has been the reward for what he gave.
- Calvin Coolidge
I agree, something doesn't "smell" right
I also find it interesting that Sarah Palin has dropped off the face of the earth when she was a daily item just a month or so ago...
Jesse is a provocateur... professional wrestlers egg on fights with provocative language and incessent needling... Jesse has been doing this with Fox news and the Repubs... He sounds a lot like RP except for supporting National Health Care...
Maybe Jesse is the progressive answer to Glenn Beck OR now that Beck has just blasted the liberal Christian element, Jesse is positioned to pick them up...
Geez, I feel like I'm paranoid even trying to figure all this stuff out!
Sarah Palin is hiding like a coward
She publicly acknowledged on video no less, that she supports opening a new investigation.
Spread this far and wide:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPDbmQmV6O8
She was high on the MSM list of favorite people they liked to talk too, bet she won't show up anytime soon with this video documentation of her and her own words.
Real eyes realize real lies
2012, we want our country back
2012 is the year for Ron Paul!
Hey Wild~you are not alone
I posted just a little of what I think a few comments below..
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I saw it Belle...
I think your intuition is right on target...
Thanks Wild!
The last few weeks have been brutal here..and I've been here a while and seen alot! Thanks for 'seeing me' although I'm just one ..frantically waving my hands in the back of the class most of the time!! I have a lot a WHOLE LOT more to say and much that is missed or dropped off..but such is the nature of DP..catch as catch can!
Love and Peace
PS. I fixed my email hacker problem!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I have been reading you Belle
I can't figure out what is going on. Like you said how is it they can crucify Medina for even saying that there are unanswered questions and Jesse can even say Cheney was behind it. What the heck is going on?
Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.
Thanks Quilting!
Yep, I know you are a thinker! I'm working on it in my head too!! Just throwing stuff out there as I see it and hope the thinkers here catch it!!
PS. I love the Flag and I LOVE my purse!!
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
I think neither.
Mainly because Ventura has been so public for years now regarding all the 911 stuff and any other fringe topic he feels the need to espouse.
Because he's been so public and vocal about it on almost every venue for years, that loses the whole "discovery," "outing," or "dirty secret" appeal for a media story. His affinity for RP has also been public all this time.
So basically, if Ventura could be used as either a patsy or a vehicle, the only avenue left is to personally dig up scandalous behavior in his personal life.
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A much better question regarding RP 2012 would be:
"Will the MSM exhume the tired old racist newsletter story yet again in 2012?" or, "How exactly will the MSM try again to frame RP with a new racist association for 2012?"
Ohman: He has been "vocal" but not like this
and he was never this popular; as he has been over the last year or so.
He is either a Patsy (meaning he doesn't know that he's hurting the movement) or he is a Vehicle (to bring it down) or he's a Righteous Ally -- the latter is laughable but I put it out there as an option.
----Judge Napolitano is a "Righteous Ally"
When it comes to the media and Ron Paul there are only two options (to people hitching a ride): Patsy or Vehicle (double-agent).
I guess someone could be a little of both -- Mark Sanford was.
---I don't mind taking a moment to point out I was the first to call the spots on that Zebra, wink.
*yes, I know zebras don't have spots*
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Please think about this..
Jesse was able to go on MSM and actually talk about 9/11 being an inside job, publically name Cheney as a prime conspirator and yet no one is reporting on this?!!
Yet, our candidates are slaughtered all over MSM for weeks for even supporting a new investigation and acknowledging there are people asking questions?
Why is he allowed to get away with it?
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
a very good question--
I like all the questions, even though, at times, *I* begin to feel like a very paranoid person--
*smiling at myself*
I question everything, and sometimes I do catch myself coming and going--
I would like to know, too--
I *had* appreciated Ventura, but now I am suspicious--
perhaps he really isn't much of a threat to *them*, or maybe *they* think he is a 'kook'--
but the comparison between Medina and Ventura is a good 'red flag'--
it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--