So what did Reagan do wrong?
Submitted by lightseeker009 on Sat, 03/13/2010 - 11:09
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I have to do a report on Reagan in class and I know most presidents did quite a bit wrong, so I was just wondering about the GOP god of Reagan. Thanks for your help





















wow
i'd say you got all the help you could ask for haha. I learned enough about Reagan to do a report for sure. definitely check out those Rothbard links that BMore provided too! check out anything Rothbard! especially the Ethics of Liberty!
He went to Hollywood
and tried acting.
If you're writing a report
If you're writing a report for class, you must read the Rothbard critique BMore links to below. It was written soon after the Gipper's reign was over, before history had time to heal many wounds. And you won't find a more astute observer of the American political scene in the 20th century than Rothbard.
in very broad terms, I believe it is safe to say Reagan's main failure was to consider liberty, and whatever reduction of government he championed, as some sort of means to a higher end; predominantly faster economic growth, instead of placing it front and center as the only thing that really matters. Which is why he would wax and wane non interrupted about freedom, while championing policies requiring government intervention in peoples lives and finances.
Reagan's mistakes
1) Reagan failed in his attempt to shrink the size and scope of government. Government grew under Reagan, including the creation of FEMA.
2) Picking George Bush for his Vice President. Nuff said...
3) Sending troops into Lebanon. He later realized and acknowledged his mistake and spoke about it.
4) Not acting on information from the Grace Commission. "100 percent of what is collected [in Federal Income Taxes] is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government."
http://www.uhuh.com/taxstuff/gracecom.htm
5) Reagan was not able to get rid of the Income Tax. He spoke about it, then got shot, then he didn't speak about it anymore.
Since Reagan though we have only had worse presidents than him. I liked him. He said many of the right things. It's too bad he wasn't "allowed" to follow through on what he wanted to accomplish.
A president can't shrink the size and scope of goverment
on his own. He's not a legislator. The Congress has to do that. Dr. Paul would not be able to do it either. He wouldn't be able to eliminate the income tax either. Accomplishing these things would have to be a mass movement that put small government legislators into office.
Sure he can
He is the boss of the Executive Branch (He fired the air traffic controllers, didn't he?). He could have used EOs for a legitimate purpose - vastly shrinking the bureaucracies under his control (True, only congress can totally eliminate them). In reality, he did the exact opposite. What else is new? The only question is: How many times are you going to get fooled before you catch on?
Just as the Old Soviet Union needed to get de-Stalinized, The US is going to have to drag certain sainted presidents off their pedestals - The leading candidates: Lincoln, Roosevelt (both of them), Wilson and Reagan.
great link to the grace comm!
great link to the grace comm! i'm glad to have a source on that quote now
Reagan Promises
He promises to not hire George Bush Sr. as his VP #1
---To Libertarians
He had a 100% Barry Goldwater Admin. After he was shot Bush pushed them out and put in all Neoconservatives #2
Try to remember he was a Democrat (at one point) then became a Goldwater Republican and then after gunshot/sinility set in he "sold out" (I say that "softly") because "hijacked admin" was more the case.
I don't care about specifics beyond this point.
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It figures that you would like him.
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Winston: Close your cheeks
I never said I liked him
I've always been critical, I'm sympathetic to what happened to him after the "failed" (intentionally failed - my opinion) assassination attempt.
Or it was a real assassination attempt and "they" took advantage of it.
Either case after he was shot -- ALL the Barry Goldwater Republicans were pushed out by Bush Sr.(Libertarian-Republicans) and replaced with Neocons.
I also am sympathetic to the fact that he was a HUGE proponent of Prop 13 (the people's bill).
Prop 13, Sinility, Assasination Attempt, Goldwater / Neocon Admin Switch, and telling Gorbachev to "tear that wall down" (against all Neoconservative 'advice').
Also, Ron Paul liked him -- Ron refers to his endorsement of Reagan during his 2008 bid.
I'm critical and sympathetic -- I wouldn't call that "liking him"
But thanks for opening up.
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Reagan
Did not eliminate the DOE. Did not live up to conservative principles -
He could of repealed many executive orders and reduced spending but he was addicted to easy credit.
I think he was a closet socialist imo. He was an actor afterall. They thrive on fiction and pleasure seeking like most lawyers thus the concerns and plight of everyday Americans are not in their thoughts. Very much an Epicurean imo.
Like many politicians he did the opposite on what he ran on.
Maybe he was a better Governor than President. I do not know what the spending was like in Kalifornia in the 60's but I would bet it was beginning to rise considerably and revenue extractions along with spending.
donvino
These were big.
misguided military adventures in Nicaragua and Lebanon, not to mention the Iran-Contra affair (selling arms to Iran to support terrorist activities in Nicaragua).
Pick up a copy of "A Foreign Policy of Peace" and read the good Doctor's speeches on the house floor during the Reagan years. That will fill in the details pretty well.
window dressing
Reagan was 100% window dressing while the real act was going on behind the scenes. It took me a long time to realize it because he said all the right things.
war on drugs
enhanced the war on drugs.
established minimum sentences for drug users.
Lipservice to Liberty
Ronnie Reagan's mouth was to the Body Politic (Corpus Boobus) what Nancy's mouth was to every swinging dick in Hollywood. Nothing makes you 'feel good about yourself' better than a BJ.
Winston: Wash your mouth out -- Nancy was no "hoe"
Even if Reagan sold out a little bit or had his administration stolen (I think being shot, sinility, and the theft thing was the case); I always thought Nancy brought a sense of style and grace to the White House that had been missing for a long time.
Have you been drinking?
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She may not have been a "ho"
but she was the Dragon Lady. Nancy Reagan was very easy to hate.
She sure ruined a lot of lives
with her War on Drugs (although she didn't do it alone).
Re:Style and grace - To quote Nancy
"No." (How'd she do that with her mouth full?).
My pet peeve
with Reagan is he bowed to the vaccine manufacturers' threat to stop supplying the U.S. with pertussis vaccine if they kept getting slapped with lawsuits from people whose kids suffered damages and deaths from that vaccine.
This led to legislation to ban private citizens from being able to sue vaccine manufacturers directly, and having to go through VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) instead. As a result, it's taxpayers like you and me who pay for proven vaccine damages instead of the vaccine manufacturers, who now have little incentive to develop safer vaccines.
That's what happens when you destroy the free market!
Flight 007
He stood by and watched and did nothing as a US Congressman Larry McDonald (D) and president of the JBS was assassinated by the Russians.
SCREW YOU REGAN!
For Freedom!
STUGOTS! To the high and felutent establishment!
Paultian Powerhouse!
IMO,
"The Speech" is the only truly great thing he did. Everything else could fall into the category your requesting. Sadly, "The Speech" was not while he was president.
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"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make
violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
Make a deal to have Bush Sr.
Make a deal to have Bush Sr. as his Vice President.
http://www.lewrockwell.com
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard60.html
There are many more good Rothbard articles on Reagan.
Ventura 2012
Ahhhh a budding Anarcho-Capitalist -- hehehehe
;-)
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Don't get your hopes up. I
Don't get your hopes up. I think Rothbard is a brilliant writer but I don't agree with his conclusions(and especially his supporters' conclusions).
Ventura 2012
He filled his administration
with members of the Council on Foreign Relation (CFR), the main US arm of the global elites who are pushing for one world government, the New World Order. They probably convinced him he had to watch his step and stay out of their way.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Despite talking up freedom
Despite talking up freedom prior to assuming the presidency in his very first act as president he revealed himself as a freedom-hater by extending draft registration.
marlow
Running up the national debt?
His rhetoric was 100% libertarian. His actions were the reverse.
Where to start?....
Federal takeover of education from the states (that's a big one for me - and I remember it)
Allowed corporations to be excused from *real* income tax increasing the burden on workers - it's when all the offshore stuff began
Increased the power of the executive branch and neutered Congress - especially in terms of budget.
The beginning of the American Military Empire using black ops and black money to depose elected executives and replacing them with puppet dictators
Increased the power of the EPA over the states
More than doubled the debt and increased the money supply several times over
Used Neo-con controlled religious leaders to "collectivise" the people using the born-again cults to create the mass Neo-con conversion - and started the anti-Muslim military crusades along with it
Now, a lot of this and more was because Bush Sr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, Armey, etc... who were the Chicago School power-players of Neoconservatives (Communists)took over the executive branch.
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