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Warning! Censoring topics will cause harm to the site and Movement.

Dear Michael,

There are uncountable number of throlls all over the internet whose job is to disrupt blogs and other websites, and get websites to censor themselves for negative mentions of Israel.

It is not easy to maintain the integrity of a site and still allow free discourse; I know that the throlls and shills will play both sides of the game to cause disruption till they cause the break of integrity and achieve censorship.

The Daily Paul already has good posting rules in place and only needs to enforce to ensure proper discussion of any topic. It does not need to censor negative discussion of just one county. Just imagine what doing that means!

The negative aspects of targeting just one country for censorship, are too many to mention. But from my experience there will be great disruptions to the site if you decide to unjustly target just one country.

Best of luck with your decision, and feel free to contact me so I can tell you of my experience with trholls and the results to another website.

Thanks!

Boris

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wrong place.

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"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

A word to two about the last postings on this thread...

I do not want to start an avalanche of comments in response. I would just like to make a statement.

As to the last issue of comments disappearing:

BigT you first wrote that you felt your comment was deleted/censored because you wrote down the different ways you could imagine a spam filter would be able to catch it and it wasn't. I think that was an erroneous assumption.
I do not know you why you could not see it. I could.

In retrospect you could have as easily just posted "What happened to my comment. Did it get caught in the spam filter?" and left it that.

Borisimo, you took that comment and ran with it and it
snowballed. I don't think that was wise. Altho,I do appreciate your comments to me and I thank you.

I am sure we all have more important things to do than spend so much time being spent on this one series of comments about this issue.

I am not dismissing this issue as UNimportant - just the way it was handled.

I made the mistake last night of saying someone ought to be banned forever for what he said. After reading the comments about it I went back and erased that part of the comment. But what I did say I do stand behind.

I have posted a lot of comments here in the 2 years and 40 weeks that I have been on the DP. I do NOT want to be a hypocrite by voicing concerns about something that I have probably done myself. I know that what I attempt to do is to wait before I see a post that I find outrageous or whatever and respond.

It is extremely easy to sit at a keyboard and write whatever the hell you want without having to be accountable for what you have said. You have the option to change, delete or just ignore.

I don't think anyone here ought to have the bad manners, disrespect or "brought up in a barn" mentality to voice these concerns in such a fashion to Michael or we the moderators.

I am a mod because I was asked, I accepted, I like it,
AND it can be a drain and a pain.

Please do not use the words "censor" so carelessly and before you do have something to bitch about - please make
sure you are correct, as best you can, and approach the
issue without attacking someone or having all the facts.

Michael is understandably very irritated right now and I do not blame him ONE bit.

I for one will not tolerate any disrespect towards him. He has made this website available to us all and made the guidelines very fair. All he is asking is that you uphold them.

Essentially, when you come to the DP you are 'literally' coming into Michael's home.

Ron Paul is My President

"I do not know you why you could not see it. I could."

I, for one did not see Big Ts comment. It was not there. Then, all of a sudden it appeared. I didn't know the spam filter could remove an already posted comment. It is logical for anyone to think a posted comment was deleted by a moderator. The last time I deleted one of my own comments, the comment remained, but with only my name in place. In this instance the entire comment disappeared.

There was nothing wrong in questioning why a comment has disappeared. At one time I would have toed the line rather than daring to question policy. Those days are long gone...ever since the Blowback debate.

Some in the political establishment seemed to have the same viewpoint on questioning policies....bad manners and all. ;-)

On review, no bad manners, no disrespect, no barn animals here.

The post was deleted for over an hour. I guess that it is normal to call that censoring, even if it was unintended blockage.

You are free to go over my replies and point out the instances that you think I was disrespectful; I won't reply. This is the only thing that might be even close to it "Very wrong DELETE of comment! Bad censorship." and at the time the status of the situation. It had been (deleted, censored, stuck, flagged) choose a word. And remained so for over an hour.

You, sunny, handled it perfect. I just reviewed my comments to see if I had been disrespectful and I don't think I was. They all seem very polite to me.

As always, thank you,

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

Logging out.

Adios.

Somebody deleted the title to one of my threads.


With no communication whatsoever, just censorship without reason.

Changing it from:

Explosives Were Used to Demolish World Trade Center on 9/11

to

Explosives

Why would somebody want to hide that fact?

Michael Nystrom's picture

Yup, that was me

And the post remains.

He's the man.

Why?

The post is over a month old.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Because

I don't want headlines like that showing up on the front page of the site.

During the 2008 campaign, I did not allow 911 truth threads on the site.

We're moving into campaign mode again. I don't mind the post, please just cool it with the inflammatory headlines. They always devolve into flame wars.

I appreciate your cooperation. Until I can get this issue resolved, please be patient.

Thanks.
Michael

He's the man.

Dear BigT and Borisimo

Love your work your contributions your activism but it's just no fair to Michael and moderators like me to hear such things without proof.

It hurts...

We should always have respect for each other no matter what.

Spam filter does strange things and this hapened to me too but I did not run around like a headless chicken waving bloody wings...

relax patriots - grab a cold beer...

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Going to grab the cold beer... need a break from this :)

We pointed it out... that it was censored. How were we to know that the censorship was temporary and by a machine?

The reply from sunny was rational and helpful.

It seems that these discussions should be important at the DP.

Always thanks, liberty!

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

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BS

We pointed it out... that it was censored.

No, not that "it was censored." Let me refresh your memory:

I just had a VERY lengthy post removed by some "moderator"

This is a baseless lie. This is how anonymous screen names chip away and destroy the credibility of the site.

How were we to know that the censorship was temporary and by a machine?

If you didn't know what was going on as you yourself admit, then you shouldn't go accusing people of doing something they didn't do.

The fact that you won't fess up to your accusation and apologize is absolutely disgraceful, disrespectful and disgusting.

I am completely disappointed in you Boris.

He's the man.

You get the last word. It is your site.

People who care will read the comments and will see that I remained unemotional, respectful, and used no bad language. They will make their own decision as to the propriety of an apology.

I refuse to get into emotional flaming wars at the DP, it is not productive. So you have the last word. I won't reply.

Respectfully,

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

For the record,

I just had a VERY lengthy post removed by some "moderator"(censor), which had ZERO violations of the site rules, no direct mention of the "verboten topics", and nothing that would be caught by the "spam filter" because it made it up on this thread and then was quickly removed.

This "moderation" is going far beyond discussion of the "verboten topics" and is now censoring peoples genuine comments on this issue.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Big T and Borismo, you owe me, the DP and the mods an apology

I just had a VERY lengthy post removed by some "moderator"(censor)

What proof did you have to make that baseless claim? It was and is an outright lie. Your long and rambling post was caught in the spam filter - it is free now for all to read, in all of its raging glory.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129043#comment-1383306

Are you happy now? You posted a comment on a forum. Do you feel 'free' now? Give yourself a pat on the back for all that you've done for Liberty today. Go ahead and take a victory lap.

Now please apologize for your baseless claim.

He's the man.

Michael

I apologize to you and the mods for blaming you/them for the spam filter's actions.

I had no idea that the spam filter could remove an existing post off the page of a thread that was already clearly on the page.

Michael Nystrom's picture

Thank you

Apology accepted. Please accept mine for my harsh words.

Running this site is not easy. I am not perfect, but I am doing the best that I can.

I appreciate all of your contributions to the site.

Michael

He's the man.

Taking a well needed break from the DP.

What proof? Baseless?

It was posted then it was not. Tried to repost it myself and was not accepted. Much base, I think.

Happy?

No, not pleased either with the emotional replies here.

Do I feel free now?

I always feel free. If I chose to bring this up to the attention of the DP is because I thought it important to the DP. Would you rather we not talk about it on the Censorship thread?

Apology?

No sorry. Didn't do anything un-proper or against the rules, maintained my cool and didn't accuse anyone's character in the whole discussion. Just pointed out the facts. Hope that is not against the rules at the DP.

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

BigT

I for one, would like to know which comment that you are referring to. Was it in this thread?

Ron Paul is My President

Sunny,

It was posted on this thread.
It came up past the spam filter, after I modified some of the text that I guessed was hanging it up in the spam filter.
It appeared on the thread.
Then, I went back to edit some spelling errors, and when I hit "submit" the spam filter blocked it.
When I returned to the thread, the post was gone.

And for the record, I've never self-deleted a post "for effect" as suggested below. If it was deleted during my edit when the spam filter got hold of it, then it was not my doing.

I admit, it was highly critical of the "new rules".
But, it was within guidelines, as far as I could tell, and I made efforts to revise text to pass the spam filter, so that it would be considered acceptable. No foul language. Only one use of the numbers 9/11. No use of the word "Israel".

The bottom line is that I think this policy is a mistake that will set back the movement considerably, and I gave my reasons and illustrations.
I'm sure it's not popular right now, but it's what I think. I've been around long enough to know that you can't buckle under the pressure or they'll crush you all the way.

BigT

I can see the comment. infact, I read it earlier.

I know why you cannot see it.

Ron Paul is My President

Michael Nystrom's picture

It is possible that it was self deleted

In order to gain a little outrage and stir the pot.

It wouldn't be the first time.

He's the man.

I think Bigt has earned a good reputation. I would not accuse

I think Bigt has earned a good reputation. I personally will not accuse a fellow DP'r of something unless I have quotes or proof to do it with.

In the movement reputation is everything.

I tried to repost it and it won't allow it. I have emailed it to you.

I was replaying to it when it appeared as deleted.

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

Michael Nystrom's picture

BigT made the accusation first

Yes, reputation is everything.

I just had a VERY lengthy post removed by some "moderator"(censor)

This was a baseless lie. The comment was stuck in the spam filter. It should be visible now, in all of its raging glory for all to see.

Congratulations. A comment has been posted on an internet forum. Now both of you give yourself a pat on the back, and take a victory lap for all that you've done for Liberty.

He's the man.

Hi Sunny, just emailed you the deleted comment.

Thanks!

:)

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2

the comment was there all along.

i had read it.

it was posted at 11:01.

can we let this drop now.

Ron Paul is My President

Sunny,

yes, and my apology to the moderators is written below, under Michael's post.

thanks

BigT

Ron Paul is My President

Michael Nystrom's picture

The comment you emailed me still stands

It is right here. No one deleted it.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129043#comment-1383306

What a colossal waste of time all of this is.

He's the man.

Michael, I can't see the comment, It is not on the page. Not the

Michael, I can't see the comment, It is not on the page. Not the one I'm looking at.

It was deleted.

I'm not arguing with you, just letting you know,

Boris

"it is good for the establishment to adopt liberty ideology, but it is not good for those who have already adopted liberty to fall to the feet of the establishment." ~ Annica2