Which law(s) require filling out census
I understand that the U.S. Constitution > Article 1 > Section 2 > Clause 3, specifically mentions enumeration:
"The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."
What I am interested in is the last part:
"in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."
I assume "they" is Congress.
I also assume this is where Congress believes they get the authority to ask additional questions on the census.
But it doesn't say:
"in such Manner as they shall direct."
It says:
"in such Manner as they shall BY LAW direct."
The term "by Law" indicates to me that in order to ask additional questions there must be law(s) that dictate what additional questions they are allowed to ask and I am therefore required to answer.
Does anyone know which, if any, laws govern what additional questions they are allowed to ask?
I am looking for specific references here. I truly want to know what the law says in this matter.
Thanks in advance for any help/input.
The ability to take an enumeration
was given in the constitution and the ability to prescribe a way to do it was, too. There wasn't anything more than the ability to make an enumeration and a right to make law to direct how the ENUMERATION is taken given, though.
So, I protest giving more than a headcount on constitutional grounds.
However, if I were protesting the look of the form (other than extra questions), or that they do it by mail, etc., I'd just be being a jerk because the power to direct a manner to do it was constitutionally given as well. Sending letters announcing the census is coming or making radio ads (if the content were constitutional) would still fall under them just trying to get as much participation as possible and would be constitutional if it were simply a headcount.
If they could take more than an enumeration just because they were given the right to make a law, they could usurp any power they wanted from the same clause and call it part of the enumeration. Once you blow the definition of enumeration out of the water, you have a very flexible document that means nothing.
However, this argument is meaningless to mainstream conservatives because they are already complicit in the federal gov't usurping power it doesn't have so I don't get why they dissect the Constitution over this one issue, but not others. Oh well, I'll go along with it. It's a start.
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The phrase "in such Manner as
The phrase "in such Manner as they shall BY LAW direct.", simply means what manner they choose to go about getting the head count, nothing more. The only question you are required to ask under the Constitution is how many people reside in the home. But according to US code 13 chapter 5, subchapter 2 141, section a,"In connection with any such census, the Secretary is authorized to obtain such other census information as necessary.",they can ask whatever they want, which is completely unconstitutional. So you either follow their rules or you follow the Constitution. My census form has already been sent back with 03, and a little note at the bottom where I wrote Article I section II of the US Constitution, in case they forgot.
Not to mention that it seems the added questions are a violation of our 4th amendment right, in which I invoke my 5th amendment right.
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The census is legal. It is
The census is legal. It is in the Constitution. The purpose of the census is to apportion the states (establish Congressional Districts).
You need to furnish this information.
Ignorance is bliss! You have
Ignorance is bliss!
You have to have a legitimate government as described in the Constitution first before a legal census can be taken. This government is a corporation socialist democracy. I don't recall that description being anywhere in the constitution. No one needs to provide any information to an imposter government!
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So as I understand it....
I should tell them how many people live in my house and nothing more? Which could possibly cost me $100 since I haven't lied and incurred the $500 charge? Is that right because the Census is sitting on my kitchen table right now.
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The United States is a
The "United States" is a corporation not a country. They are posing as the legitimate government but they are no government at all. They are what is called De facto meaning they are acting as government but have no legitimate authority.
It is even in thier code. Title 28 3002 (15) (A) (B) (C) http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/28/usc_sec_28_00003002----...
The Clearfield Doctrine says they cease to be a government when the descend to a corporation:
the government descended to the level of a mere private corporation and takes on the character of a mere private citizen . . . For the purposes of suit, such corporations and individuals are regarded as an entity entirely separate from government.” Bank of U.S. v. Planters Bank, 9 Wheat. 22 U.S. 904, U.S. v. Erie Ry Co., 106 U.S. 327; Clearfield Trust Co. v. U.S. 318 U.S. 363 (1943).
“When governments enter the world of commerce, they are subject to the same burdens as any private firm or corporation.” U.S. v. Burr. 309 U.S. 22; See 22 U.S.C.A. 286e. Bank of U.S. v. Planters Bank of Georgia. 6 L. Ed. (9 Wheat) 244; 22 U.S.C.A. 286 et. Seq., C.R.S. 11-60-103.
This is why no one is required to answer the census of this De Facto corporation posing as government unless they are employees or officers of said corporation!
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I have heard all this before.
I have heard all this before. The United States is NOT a corporation. Where are the article of incorporation? Who are the corporation officers? Who are the stock holders?
Our only problem is with politicians who violate their oath to support and defend the Constitution. This is the best nation in history.
Let's dispense with the crazy theories. We need to educate the American people, and put pressure on our politicians. If they don't conform (to the Constitution), we need to replace them.
That's all there is to it.
In the District of Columbia act of 1871
our government created a corporation. That is not to say that our government is a corporation, but it created a corporation. But the corporation could now sell bonds, etc, and was an entity unto itself. With time this entity grew in power, and the original federal government is no longer in existence because you and I have been negligent. There are tons of resources to learn about this. I first learned about it at teamlaw.org.
You've heard this all before
You've heard this all before and did what? Nothing and now make assumption it's not true LOL.
So you don't believe the United States code when it says the US is a federal corporation? It was incorporated in 1871 in the organic act look it up.
Do some research and quit trying to label stuff as crazy because it doesn't fit your world view and you are too lazy to do a little research and study.
This is Education! Just because you want to dismiss it out of hand even though it is in thier own codes and is beyond dispute is no reason for me to stop educating others of the truth!
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Here is the answer to your
Here is the answer to your question.
TITLE 13 CHAPTER 7 SUBCHAPTER II Sec. 221
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi=1/XJ&zTi=1&sdn=usgovi...
As far as deciphering what this means:
"The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct."
I read as it saying that Congress may count people in a manner of their choice (by law). I don't see it in any way meaning that they're allowed to ask additional questions besides a headcount. The entire sentence is in regards to enumeration, counting, no?
RE: The answer
Thanks for that link! That helps a lot.
And I agree with your statement that the entire sentence is about enumeration.
I guess what is really in question is how "Manner" is defined. If manner refers strictly to the method of obtaining the enumeration, then that would make sense.
Just wonder if Congress interprets manner to mean they can ask additional questions while also asking for the enumeration.
Thanks again for the info. In a perfect world, I wouldn't be so concerned about this stuff, but we don't live in a perfect world.
Yeah, I read "manner" as how
Yeah, I read "manner" as how you stated it, as in how the headcount is obtained, meaning a personal home visit, at a polling station, by mail, etc. But I'm not well versed in legal double-speak weasel talk, so it's beyond me what else it could mean. :)
I take it as I understand it to be written.
What is a law?
Do you need to be told what laws there are? ( no you know them already, everyone does)
Statutes, Codes? ( not laws)
The best way to understand is to do your own research.
Also: Enumeration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumeration
No where in the definition or description of the word Enumeration do I see where my phone number and birth date and Last,First name and income is tallied .....
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RE: What is a law?
I totally agree with you regarding enumeration. An enumeration is a count, plain and simple.
As far as laws/statutes/codes are concerned, I just want to know specifically which of those I will be fined for by not filling out the additional questions on the census that do not deal with a count(enumeration.)
I have researched this subject but only found nebulous references to "the law," but no specific reference as to what law.
When a person commits a crime, they are charged based on the law/statute/code that was broken.
Being charged with "breaking and entering," "speeding," or "murder" means that you are accused of breaking laws that are on the books that prohibit those things.
You can't be charged with breaking a rule if there is no rule to break.
I'm just one of those people that has to have a reason for things. I need to know why.
Since I am unable to find the answers, I was hoping that some legal eagles out there might be able to help.
They are only getting the number of people in my house.....
nothing more...
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