Does anyone else find it ironic that a Libertarian/Constitutionalist forum has moderators?
Twice now important threads have been deleted because someone's sensitivity has been hurt- this is really a bad thing for this forum, as many people come here as a last resort of free speech.
This is a good forum, but if we are true believers in freedom we shouldn't be deleting the last line of defense we have- our communication words and threads. Let us not forget, the pen is mightier than the sword, but only if you allow it to write.
Owner's response, by Michael Nystrom
As the owner of this site, and the owner of sites before it, I have close to 10 years in moderating online boards.
Do I find it ironic? No I don't. Moderation is necessary in order to keep some semblance of order. If you'd like an unmoderated forum, please check out the Ron Paul War Room: www.ronpaulwarroom.com, where you will find posts such as this:
kultura i sztuka
By mori_gda | January 28, 2010
wpadłem na idee zrobienia bloga o tematyce KULTURA i SZTUKA w szeroko pojętym znaczeniu tych słów. obserwując nasze społeczeństwo widać wyrażnie spadek zainteresowania sztuką. dlatego ((musimy,powinniśmy)) wyjść z nią do ludzi. proponuje aby wszyscy Ci którym leży na sercu dobro społeczeństwa publikowali ciekawe arytkuły i informacje o kulturze i sztuce.
Complete with links to spam sites. Unless you want this board flooded with posts like that, moderation is necessary.
Part of Constitutionality is that an owner has the right to protect, and do what he wishes with his private property. This is my private property, and I run it as I see fit.
If you disagree with this, you are free to start your own. This is the beauty of freedom.
No, I don't
Michael has the same right as proprietor that I would want on a site like this if I had it.
You who want a socialistic approach to private property definitely do not qualify as libertarian.
Get your own site.
No. Michael Nystrom is right.
You must be one of those subversive Glenn Beck / Carlson Tucker libertarians who actually "smokes the dope" and "pays the prostitutes" in an effort to delude and to undermine us small "l" Republicans.
The mods on this site are very open. They are very wise to those who seek to undermine the truth merely to promote their own corporate special interest masters.
Keep up the good work Michael / mods! You've got the covert crowd whimpering for access.
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Leave Us Alone and Bring the Troops Home
Keep kicking
the dead horse it might get up.
For, oh let's say, $65 an hour I will put together a Drupal site that looks very similar to this one, you pay for the hosting. You can call it the dailykentrailer.com, home of Contrails and Chemtrails. Let me know when you want to proceed.
two words
personal property
Does anyone else find it ironic that a Libertarian forum
finds it unreasonable that some poster wants free reign and control over what he doesn't own? Now, what's that called?
Brilliant!
its always the case isn't it...when you use the philosophy of freedom and find the steps to the truth...err rather..ya, what the heck, I see no reason to let that word be co-opted.
Truth Be Told
The essence of libertarianism is -- Self-Government. So, ...
This Discussion Could Be Abridged To One Just Word:
"Mine" ...
... which evidently would comfort some here as more efficient than the old 'nuff said invoked during the flag wars -- "shut up". Then it was Bill O'Reilly as the model for fair and balanced discussion. In either event we wouldn't need to resort to red herrings pretending this debate is about house keeping ( a legitimate need no one disputes). We should never be content to bring anything but the best to the table.
If efficiency was our overriding value, I would simply cry:
...
' F I R E !! ' ...
That would be expedient ... ; but what about crowding the theatre? ... you might ask. Realizing there is time enough for elaboration, I attempt explanation:
Why care anything for the madness of crowds under these circumstances ? During stampedes of beaten horses, like conflagration or 'nasty weather' -- such are forces ...
of nature ...
... best withstood in the shelter of one's home.
... unless ... ironically ... 'torches for liberty' are ...
'Burning Down The House'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5VRhmgUNtM
Watch out you might get what you're after
Cool babies strange but not a stranger
I'm an ordinary guy
Burning down the house
Hold tight wait till the party's over
Hold tight We're in for nasty weather
There has got to be a way
Burning down the house
Here's your ticket pack your bag: time for jumpin' overboard
The transportation is here
Close enough but not too far, Maybe you know where you are
Fightin' fire with fire
All wet hey you might need a raincoat
Shakedown dreams walking in broad daylight
Three hun-dred six-ty five de-grees
Burning down the house
It was once upon a place sometimes I listen to myself
Gonna come in first place
People on their way to work baby what did you except
Gonna burst into flame
My house S'out of the ordinary
That's might Don't want to hurt nobody
Some things sure can sweep me off my feet
Burning down the house
No visible means of support and you have not seen nuthin' yet
Everything's stuck together
I don't know what you expect starring into the TV set
Fighting fire with fire
And you may ask yourself....
took me a bit to get it
kentrailer
thanks for your thoughts.
I am a moderator here and I do it because I enjoy it - not 100% of the time tho - but most of the time - say 99%.
We all know that the good doctor is a Libertarian and a Constitutionalist. People who come here do it for different reasons. There are the regulars and the newbies. On any given day we have hundreds of guests. The number of guests ALWAYS outnumbers the regulars.
I think it's important to make that distinction. It helps me to keep in mind that every day new people are coming here to check out the site because they have learned about Dr. Paul and want to know more about him. It's the 'first impression' syndrome. It matters.
Some topics just don't cut it because they are just NOT relevant to what this site is about. Dr. Paul's philosophy of "freedom" encompasses everything under the sun - so where do we draw the line? Well, I say look at it from a newbies perspective.
This forum is not a free for all. It's got the good doctor's name on it. And anyone who does follow Dr. Paul knows the honorable way that he conducts himself and how he deals with opposition to and criticism of his philosophies.
And equally important is Michael's philosophy of how he wants HIS site presented and the guidelines he has established to maintain order out of chaos. It is not a free for all. People need to respect that. Whether or not they agree is irrelevant. We are all here because of Michael and this wondrous site that he has created. All he asks is that you follow the guidelines.
So, I look at it with 2 considerations:
How do I think Dr. Paul would feel when he comes to the site and sees the threads posted and the - sometimes never ending - discussions which follow?
Do the thread topics follow the DP guidelines?
As Michael has said - more than once - this site cannot be everything to everyone.
Ron Paul is My President
Sunny
I've noticed a distinct lack of threads with references to the month before October and the day after the 10th lately. The threads really seem to have far more positive and or non-counterproductive subjects.
Just wondering if there's been a change in users or is it something being managed by the site?
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www.danglerco.com
Hi rusty buick
Oh, go ahead and say it! It's ok- lol!
Seriously, when threads of that topic are brought up I think we all give it some time and see if it gets out of hand and endless, as those kind of threads tend to do - before we make a move. Or - as Michael has suggested - tone down the title some to make it less inflammatory.
I've noticed it too. There was one that was specifically deleted because it really 'was' a troll stirring up trouble - that and I guess a friend of his doing the same. It had alot of links to 'off base' websites. We did a little research on the ISP.
Overall, it looks like there has been less posting on this topic lately - maybe because of that. Whatever the reason the count is lower now - at least for now.
I know there were some people posting questions about why certain threads had disappeared. I wish people would just read the guidelines once in a while. It would help.
Thanks for the feedback. It is much appreciated!
Ron Paul is My President
What Are We Building ?
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-ca...
' Where the ragged people go '
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/74403
I am just a poor boy
Though my story's seldom told
I have squandered my resistance
For a pocket full of mumbles ... such are promises
All lies and jests
Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest
When I left my home and my family
I was no more than a boy
In the company of strangers
In the quiet of the railway station running scared
Laying low, seeking out the poorer quarters
Where the ragged people go
Looking for the places only they would know
Lie la lie ...
Asking only workman's wages
I come looking for a job
But I get no offers,
Just a come-on from the whores on Seventh Avenue
I do declare, there were times when I was so lonesome
I took some comfort there
Lie la lie ...
Then I'm laying out my winter clothes
And wishing I was gone
Going home
Where the New York City winters aren't bleeding me
Bleeding me, going home
In the clearing stands a boxer
And a fighter by his trade
And he carries the reminders
Of ev'ry glove that layed him down
Or cut him till he cried out
In his anger and his shame
"I am leaving, I am leaving"
But the fighter still remains
Lie la lie ...
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Abode : Your House Our Home
--
a·bide ( -b d )
v. a·bode ( -b d ) or a·bid·ed, a·bid·ing, a·bides
v.tr.
1. To put up with; tolerate: can't abide such incompetence. See Synonyms at bear 1.
2. To wait patiently for: "I will abide the coming of my lord" (Tennyson).
3. To withstand: a thermoplastic that will abide rough use and great heat.
v.intr.
1. To remain in a place.
2. To continue to be sure or firm; endure.
3. To dwell or sojourn.
Idiom:
abide by
To conform to; comply with: ' abide by the rules; had to abide by the judge's decision.'
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Abiding Obedience
http://www.thisnext.com/item/7E3F0DB7/CDF72750/Abide-Big-Leb...
Fear, Loathing and Suppression
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jUkW5wY2M8&feature=related
“The one thing that doesn’t abide by majority rule is a person’s conscience.”
-Atticus Finch
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/45737#comment-465493
r'Evolve.
**
________________
The Dude: "Yeah. Well, the Dude abides."
The Stranger: "The Dude abides. I don't know about you, but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there, the Dude, takin' her easy for all us sinners."
The Stranger: "I like your style, Dude."
The Dude: "Well I dig your style too, man. Got a whole cowboy thing goin'."
The Stranger: "Thankie, there's just one thing, Dude."
The Dude: "Whassat?"
The Stranger: "D'ya have to use s'many cuss words?"
The Dude: "What the f*ck are you talking about?"
The Stranger: "Okay Dude, have it your way."
;-)
How would you go about destroying an opposition site?
You could start flame wars by insulting other posters, you could post things contrary to the philosophy of the site, you could post things irrelevant to the site, you could post gibberish or use lots of misspelled words, incorrect usage, and lousy grammar while advocating for the philosophy of the site. You could register under multiple names and start your own flame wars, calling yourself all sorts of despicable names. You could create lots of spam posts for real or fictitious products: viagra, sex toys, knockoff watches, cameras and electronics.
Get creative. Use your imagination. Then ask yourself if anyone would have any reason to do that to the Daily Paul.
New Hampshire and Ecuador
Promoting A Kultura Of Sensitivity ...
... To Liberty ...
... Through Practicing libertarian Principles ...
... in a kultura of MUTUAL Respect.
* Ironic, don't you think ?
http://dailypaul.com/node/49386#comment-473439
Thank you, Michael, for your moderation, ...
http://dailypaul.com/node/129043#comment-1383242
but the irony is,
for all the commotion over what you should do with your property,
no one proposes to dictate to you or insist we put up for a vote what you MIGHT do.
That MIGHT make this a political forum,
[ http://dailypaul.com/node/127834#comment-1370854 ]
not one seeking to demonstrably promote RIGHT understanding of libertarian principles.
Ultimately, it isn't, in my opinion, a question of property RIGHT ( or any thing else libertarians/constitutionalists/or owners SHOULD regard as sacrosanct );
... at the risk of uttering sacrilege, I submit ( Heaven forbid ) it is not a question coextensive to Ron Paul, either --
http://dailypaul.com/node/125065
It is a personal question for this public forum on your private website, which we each WILL answer for OURSELVES.
http://dailypaul.com/node/129445#comment-1385645
...
Thank you DP'rs for not letting our meet (sic) -
loaf.
http://dailypaul.com/node/129163#comment-1384848
The meek shall inherit the earth
...because they stay up late at night and change the will. ;-)
Or maybe they just delete posts and comments...
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
Nope...
I don't own this site, and neither do you-BUT I LOVE IT AND I AM ADDICTED TO IT!!!! Aside from watching hours upon hours of Ron Paul vids on youtube, Lewrockwell.com, Michael Schedlock's website, and a few others, this is my daily addiction.
True Dat!
For the last year or so I've been weighing sites trying to determine my favorite if I only had one. It came down to Lew or here. I choose here.
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No,
EVERY forum needs moderators, because some people simply don't know how to behave. Libertarianism is about small, decentralized government, NOT no government at all.
Reality is....
people like us have some very powerful enemies, some of which are better fought without speaking their names. That is just the way it is. If these enemies are to be destroyed it is in a silent manner and utilizing every manner of deception so that when we wage war against them it does not appear on the surface that we are.....
“The Internet is the first thing that humanity has built that humanity doesn't understand, the largest experiment in anarchy that we have ever had." - Eric Schmidt
I would work to leave the owner free to to do his will.
I must admit to intense feelings of curiosity about "page access denied" messages.
Moderators have an important role, that of keeping the conversation on track. In the broadest sense, this means to me: battling fallacies especially attacks against the man or his associations, battling misinformation and unsubstantiated claims all the while promoting restoration of a Constitutional Republic. At least that is what I have come to expect here at the DP.
Here is our Achilles heel. The attack machinery fueled by political favors and money competes with honest investigations into the motives and suitability of a candidates. The Rand Paul and the Colorado affair come to mind.
Today the divide between the liberty minded and those those bought and sold for FRN's is pretty clear. What about tomorrow? How do we build a media or forum capable of open and honest debate?
Free includes debt-free!
That's not irony
That's not irony.
LibertyDefined.org | If | Not Perfect
A Constitutionalist
is very much about rules, so it's not ironic. Libertarian doesn't mean do whatever you want, it means adhere to principles that protect and promote individual Liberty. Liberty grew from a prosperous (European) merchant class (Road to Serfdom), and it's preservation and health is dependent on private property, free markets, and sound money, all of which, like this forum, need moderation, clear guidelines and good judgement.
Ron Paul and von Hayek represent a very well defined and specific philosophy. It's not hippie liberty, or loonitarianism, but Capitalism. In my opinion, this private site and its tolerant moderator (who is free to do what he wants with his property) excellently embodies these views, and has been a catalyst to the grassfire that is fueling a rebirth of America's founding principles. Generally, the discussions here are civil, the contributions are thoughtful, the topics are wide ranging, and a lot of money has been raised for candidates. These are no small measures of success.
Your question betrays a misunderstanding about what makes Liberty possible. Be of good cheer! All kinds of different and good visitors here can enlighten you. How cool is that?
Moderation
does not surprise me, but when moderation obstructs truth that is unnecessary moderation and calling it disappointing is an colossal understatement.
Is that whats going on here, I am withholding judgement for a while longer. I have been here a long time. Almost as long as DP has been active I think. But If i do come to that conclusion I may very well be done here.
The Abuse of Greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power. - Shakespeare
Private Property
must be managed
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RON PAUL 2012
When children misbehave..
...it is the responsibility of the parent to correct them.
Nice parenting Michael
Simple answer: NO
Simple answer: NO
Trust in God, but tie your camel tight.
"Socialism needs two legs on which to stand; a right and a left. While appearing to be in complete opposition to one another,they both march in the same direction." - Paul Proctor
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Looks like the Noes have it
Thanks for your input.
Because you deleted all critical posts
Just kidding, some are still here.
Yep!
It is only common sense to steer your vehicle of Liberty around a few pot holes to prevent any damage and/or liabilities.
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