Daily Paul's Greatest Asset is the Truth, Not Politics
To use a phrase quoted at Daily Paul recently, if your expectations are low, you will be amazed at what you discover at Daily Paul - information you won't find as concentrated, dynamic, or diverse anywhere else; the truth on a wide range of topics.
But the truth is often hard to accept. You can never tell someone the truth against what they have already been told and expect them to believe it right away, they must verify. The key is that there is constant free debate at Daily Paul. In the long run, the truth ends up standing out for those paying attention. Participation stimulates learning. Lies don't last long under the scrutiny of open debate.
So, what has made Daily Paul different than other politically oriented blogs, websites, and media? It is this uncensored open discussion of truth on all subjects. Most media is like a one-way discussion, where you are told or shown what to believe with no immediate way to question it. Open discussion is a rare commodity in an empire of lies.
I knew very little about Ron Paul when I came to Daily Paul, except that I had seen him as a strange old figure in the Republican debates. I even had an overall negative impression of Ron Paul, thinking of him as goofy and weak. I'm retired military, have served in combat, all around the world, including the Middle East, and I had been supporting the war mongering Neocon Romney. I even voted for Romney in my primary while I was just beginning my discovery of the truth at Daily Paul. I was pretty ignorant, relying on mainstream media for news, and I had never really been interested in politics. At that time, I didn't even know what a Neocon was. I used to listen to Sean Hannity while driving every day.
Now I don't watch TV anymore, and I certainly don't listen to Hannity. I despise him and most mainstream media for deceiving our nation. I now know that Ron Paul is the strongest representative that our nation has, and the only one that can be trusted to tell the truth.
But, it was not Ron Paul nor politics that got me to Daily Paul, it was using Google to search for news.
Daily Paul was the only website in the world that had all the details, contact information, and constant updates and discussion about the government's mass kidnapping of the FLDS children in Texas. The FLDS raid had nothing to do with Ron Paul, I don't even recall him commenting on it. It was detailed truth I was seeking, and I only found it so well covered at Daily Paul. There were a few blogs, but it became clear that blogs cannot compare to an open community at disseminating information.
After deciding to register at Daily Paul and participate for a while, I started an amazing discovery of who Ron Paul is. I got involved with voting, donating to candidates, attending Ron Paul events, even running for local county positions myself. All this in less than a year and I had never even noticed Ron Paul before watching the Republican debates at the Ronald Reagan library.
In the mean time, I had been ignoring the 9/11, fluoride, gold, vaccination, and health food threads on Daily Paul, as much as I still ignore the Chem-trail threads today. However, one day I had some time, and actually decided to read a well-written 9/11 thread on Daily Paul which pointed out some major problems with the official government story on 9/11. I started discussing it with others at Daily Paul.
This lead me to research 9/11, and I began reading the 9/11 Commission report, the NIST reports, watching the video evidence, and studying everything I could find. Eventually I ended up talking with the head of the NIST investigation myself, and submitting evidence. Contacting the various agencies involved, I could see there was a clear cover up of the evidence. 9/11 was not being investigated, it was being covered up by the government agencies tasked with investigating! This was a real wake-up call for me.
I spoke with the Inspector General of the Department of Commerce which the NIST is an agency of, contacted the DOJ, and filed a complaint in person with the FBI, asking them all to investigate public corruption with regard to the 9/11 investigations.
Once again, I had found the truth on Daily Paul, it was the posts from fellow members that were enough to get me to eventually participate in discussion, and then take a serious look and get involved.
And it doesn't stop there. At the Daily Paul, I've been inspired to learn the truth about other things too, like fluoride, vaccinations, false flags, the Iraq and Afghan wars, history, assassinations, oil, the Constitution, law, the court system, politics, gold, the media, corrupt politicians, the Federal Reserve Banks and much more.
So, I can say without a doubt, that the greatest asset Daily Paul has is discussion of the truth, not politics. In fact, truth leads to political action. There are many other sites devoted to political action, namely the CFL in the case of Ron Paul. But the CFL would have been completely uninteresting for me as someone not already involved in politics nor supporting Ron Paul.
I do understand the reasoning, but it is a shame to see truth and open discussion suppressed in favor of political expediency - especially after my experience of learning the truth on so many topics at Daily Paul, actually resulting in me becoming a strong supporter of Ron Paul when I had a negative impression of him before.
Is our nation best served in hiding the same truths from others that have not really been motivated to become involved in politics yet? Or is our nation better served in giving the uninvolved truthful reasons to become seriously involved?





















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This thread my be an old one but it still expresses the sentiments that I agree with. The Daily Paul is a special place and I hope no one narrows the scope of topics or it will lose the very essence of what makes it so special. IMO
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I'm not sure anybody can claim the truth
I've heard allot of people claim the truth. Especially when it comes to religion and I tend to believe in many cases this is misleading. Unfortunately the "truth" is becoming as obscure as the word "capitalism" and "budget cut" in DC.
I think the Daily Paul offers another honest point of view and a opportunity to discover more. I recall one of my first days on the Paul... and a survey about who was the best President... and me... just being introduced to Ron Paul shortly before that answered "Abe Lincoln". The response certainly sparked my interest in examining what I had been told before and how mislead I had been. There has been many discoveries since and honestly I still have much to learn about our history. Needless to say it was what began my thirst for knowledge and resources for more knowledge that I have had since.
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I would say truth and faith are two separate things.
Religion is based upon faith, truth is based upon fact.
Isn't it interesting that our government schools teach us that Abe Lincoln was one of our best presidents? But in reality, his presidency resulted in more Americans dead than any other.
I've heard Ron Paul say before that it would have cost less to simply buy the slaves and set them free, and nobody would have been killed.
Yet, with an education from government supported schools (federal funding), most people would never even consider any other possibility. They're programmed.
I think the government likes Lincoln because Lincoln liked government.
We're not taught to think, we're taught to obey.
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Good point
Not only is truth served up, but even the format is better than anything I have seen. There may be truth on other sites, but it is so hard to maneuver that I don't stay long enough to participate. This format is the best I have seen on the web and I often recommend it to others who are setting up, but I haven't seen it duplicated. Very user friendly format.
That is a very inspirational story...
... and thank for sharing your thoughts and taking action! You are a great example of what the Truth movement can do to change the hearts and minds of people of conscience.
I salute you sempiternal!
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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009
On a low pass fly-by
and I thought this post worthy of a timely resurrection!
"At the Daily Paul, I've been inspired to learn the truth about other things too, like fluoride, vaccinations, false flags, the Iraq and Afghan wars, history, assassinations, oil, the Constitution, law, the court system, politics, gold, the media, corrupt politicians, the Federal Reserve Banks and much more.
So, I can say without a doubt, that the greatest asset Daily Paul has is discussion of the truth, not politics. In fact, truth leads to political action."
( Hope you don't mind, sempiternal.)
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
It was actually fun to revisit. A little surprise.
Though, looking back on things I've written in the past often results in a little embarrassment and self-critique, but I figure that's a good thing because it represents growth - hopefully for the better.
:)
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You sir, are a prudent man. I salute you.
Thank you for sharing your story. It's always great to know how and what makes people finally see the truth. Most people tend to deny and look away when faced with the reality we find ourselves in. I find hope in all those is the truth & liberty movements.
I always say, you can't have liberty and justice without truth.
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"The greatest mystery of all is truth." - Me, 2009
thanks for sharing your very
interesting story. I agree the straight truth in an abundance of interesting posts and threads are the shining lights of the DP.
What ???
.... and miss one of the greatest demonstrations of liberty- unleashed positive energy this wonderful site has ever displayed ( and I've witnessed a lot of them ).
Outstanding, gentlemen and ladies.
As for the others, not addressed in this compliment ... well, ... they're STANDING OUT, aren't they. ;-)
Where, but DP, could people see such maturity in moderate response face aggressive, provocative lunacy.
Yes, DP is about education and practice.
Thank you legitimate DPers for such lessons in moderation.
Thought provoking perspective Semp,
we have a lot in common ;)
Ron is the reason I joined the Daily Paul, politics are the reason I stay, I don't mind the other subjects( I do enjoy many of them) but some of them divide us a great deal and spiral out of control easily.
It would be good if one day soon we didn't have to search for the truth, but it was freely given to us.
The DP is proof that the grassroots support for Ron Paul and his peaceful message of individual liberty is large, real, and not going away!
Great post,Thanks.
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Well said, period
When you start playing thier political game, the lying game, you become one of them. Political expediency leads to the trash heap of depair. Well said, sempiternal.
Well Written...but
First thing, you are so right about the "mass kidnapping of the FLDS children in Texas." This was the only place to get real info. on that horrible action. Man, do you remember how the media was making fun of the "little house on the prairie" outfits? And here at DP, the point was made about the 100% increase in odds of being sexually assualted when taken out of any home and placed in foster care or government facilities.
That being said, I'm happy with a moderate amount of moderation. There are other forums for free-wheeling discussions of aliens and all the rest... Let's be honest, limited government sites do attract some crazy snake oil salesmen...I'm speaking to myself as well! I'm always posting about my favorite movie, The Natural History of the Chicken! The saddest thing to me, is to see young political souls sucked up into obsession about a particular conspiracy or a grand meta-narrative that satisfies all of their particular paranoia. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you are probably one of those people. That's okay---I eat that stuff up.
This just isn't the place for side issue obsessions. In my opinion, 9/11 is a side issue. No matter what the truth is, it doesn't change the relevance of the limited government message and a non-interventionist foriegn policy. I've been in this movement for 3 years now---and I've already seen at least 2 people actually go off the deep end (medically troubled) with a paranoid obsession with 9/11 (I have traveled a good deal). This doesn't help anyone. I'm only mentioning 9/11 as an example, because it's the most common obsession.
So, I agree partly that this is a site for "truth." But I wouldn't deny the political/philosophy side. I hope that the vast majority of us here want to promote the ideals and principles of Ron Paul - obviously, there is room for some debate, even here. We have to be good house guests though---this is Michael's house - and it's a house with RON PAUL emblazened on the walls. Even if it's unintended, what is posted here can be used by Ron Paul's enemies to broad-brush the movement---so moderation is necessary and I happily submit to it.
(I don't mean you shouldn't be allowed to post about 9/11 with actual new information or related material. I just posted about this related topic here: NBC NEW YORK | Fri, Mar 19, 2010
Defense attorneys say an alleged plot to bomb New York synagogues was hatched and directed by a federal informant. http://dailypaul.com/node/129461 )
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Thank you sempiternal
well written.
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This piece
Is worthy of the front page,Good work!
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well said my friend
my last comment on this day -
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why is an opinion piece front page
on a page full of news and facts are two opinion pages, one is this the other is about some radio host terrorizing his audience. do mods get to pick and choose which among the dailypaul visitors hold opinions worthy of being surfaced to represent the community now? i for one am not even interested in an opinionated discussion such as this. if i were, i would dig beneath the headlines. who is picking the headlines seriously, horrible choice from time to time. you don't get to choose whose opinion represents whom. commentaries shouldn't be first page.
Why is an "opinion" piece on the front page?
Why do tornadoes always seem to strike in trailer parks?
IDK, but I'll venture a guess.
I guessing that it was put on the front page, because it makes a good deal of sense, and was well written.
I am also venturing to guess that it was a symbolic gesture to those who value truth over political correctness, that things are going to be OK with the DP, and that the opinion of a very small minority of those that wish to control what the rest of us see, do not matter.
I see it as a victory for truth, and a defeat for those that wish to put their hand over our mouths.
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i imagine
you're equating the criticism on a front page, which is full of latest news, campaign updates, healthcare bills, ron paul interviews, that is mixed with two opinion pages that seem out of place, as an attempt to "put hand over your mouth"? are you bill o'reilly? maybe i need not remind you there is only a few news page on the front page for those who have little time, that if they wanted they can always dig beneath the headline if they were interested in your intriguing personal lives.
i said "commentaries shouldn't be first page", whether i agreed with the opinions expressed in them or not, not "my comments get to be first, but yours don't", unless they were written for greater campaign purposes like RJ's from time to time. there is a reason why news agencies who have to cover news for audience with different beliefs and backgrounds, news agencies that take themselves seriously, differentiate news from commentary/show bitz. since you bloat statements like bill'o. As ron paul said to bill'o: put it in perspective pLz.
OK.... I think I get it
I BELIEVE that what is on the "active forum topics" - i.e. the column you see to the right when you log on, is there because people are bumping the topics. The ones that fall off the page are the ones that nobody is bumping. NOBODY can determine what will be popular on any particular day and it certainly isn't a conspiracy by the moderators. I have certainly posted many things that I felt were just incredibly interesting, only to have them fall off the page due to "no interest" by the group. This is why, at the end of a day, I usually to into "recent topics" and go about 8 pages back to review everything that I might have missed.
I have always assumed that what gets posted to the "Home" page (the articles that appear in a string in this bigger section) is determined by HOW MANY hits a topic gets. (like 25 or more hits puts something on the opening page until it drops to the bottom).
I think people are getting a bit paranoid lately over an effort to rein in DP and get it under control. Lighten up guys. There is PLENTY of stuff getting posted today on all sorts of things. If WE can't get along, how are we going to connect with the sleeping masses.
Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."
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The vast,VAST majority of DPers don't have the time that you
have. You did not address my point that "special interest" groups can take over the DP at will and "conspiracy theorists" have been exploiting this weakness at will for years now.
Well.....
first of all you have no idea how much time I have. Checking the "recent posts" at the end of a day is done because I often DONT have time to keep up with the ABUNDANCE of information that gets posted to DP in one day.
Secondly, I don't think anyone "Takes over" DP except the OWNER when he feels it isn't accomplishing the GOALS that HE HAS. As to "who is picking the headlines", the answer is the PARTICIPANTS in the DP... the READERS put up the posts.
Yes, sometimes a topic "takes off" and others don't. That's determined by who is on the forum at the time and what their interests are.
If you wanted the FORMAT of the DP changed, perhaps you should have made suggestions when Michael redid the site several months ago. OH.... but wait.... you've only been here for 6 months, so maybe you missed it.
However, DP is not the only site on the internet and you are free to choose from a variety of sites that may be more to your liking, both in topics and in format.
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typical response. I'm not surprised.
Well "big" mike should post on the front the DP that non- inside jobbers and conspiracy theorists are not tolerated here. Otherwise, how about I stay and you GO!. How about that? You're not wanted here by me and I'm sure some others.
Who decides?
You?
Me?
Would you like a "democratic" process in that decision?
I'll let Michael Nystrom choose, as this is his chose.
I don't use the "TOP 20" or whatever you guys are whining about.
I go to www.dailypaul.com
I go to the right and log on.
I pick the "DP Liberty Forum" from the drop down menu... sometimes "News".
I guess I don't have the illusions of grandeur to sweat that deuce.
I personally enjoy the original post in this thread. If you don't, sobeit. But you must realize that continued banter on this subject will only keep it on the 'front page'.
Unless, of course, you are using the m.o. of other un-named posters... intentionally flaming in order to have threads removed.
I would guess that it must be a lonely life to have something so petty mean so much.
i disagree with the heavy conspiracy approach as well
but i think elviejoe's approach is quite rational compared to the same old tom and george that keep bumping each other's distracting posts and patting each other on the back while calling anyone who disagrees a "sheep". and i wasn't aware a sheep was supposed to possess more cerebral capacity to scrutinize a theory before it unjustifiably becomes a taken for granted fact. but that's just me. and personally i would flame those political saboteurs over elviejoe who seems somewhat neutral on this.
another thing i don't understand about the group you described--like ron paul said, if you can't stand politics, you don't have to get invovled. there's plenty of activism outside of politics. yet an opinion piece like this which only speaks of a poster's personal agenda/priority, which seems to be "politics last", somehow becomes the front page of a website whose owner Already declared last week that "we're now back in political campaign mode". just who is this headline trying to represent, and what are the issues with these people who just can't go on with their activism outside of politics with no one ever stopping them, that they have to always come back here to spread their agenda to disrupt those in politics. just stupidity?
and lastly, those of us in politics are not trying to synchronize your actions. no one is clogging your phone line to beg you to support any candidate. individuals in politics aren't trying to unify anything. why even the initiative to bring up a subject like this. this is way personal and when you post an opinion as a fact it's an attempt to reverse-synchronize us. it's mind boggling. very difficult to imagine you understand anything about liberty. at least have the decency to add "In My Opinion".
"In My Opinion, Daily Paul's Greatest Asset is the Truth, Not Politics"
then maybe i can respond with much more willing civility: "Look At The Healthcare Bill. It Came Straight From Politics. To Take A Test And Debate Its Methods Is One Thing, But To Disregard The Test Result In Entirety Is Downright Foolishness." the ability to generate practical outcome is definitely an asset, though i'm not making an argument whether it is the greatest among all. preaching opinions as truth hardly even counts in that category at all. the comparison is erroneous.
You are right, sempiternal, to a degree
The problem with the DP, in my opinion, is the top 20 "active" forum topics.
Inside jobbers(as I call them) and "conspiracy theorists", post the same information over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again and again and again(I'm sorry but I hope you get the picture.) Then inside jobbers and "conspiracy theorists" endlessly bump those threads, pushing most others potentially "good" topics for the liberty movement down to the bottom.
That has been the sorry state of affairs since I've been here.(Remember, remember the fifth of November). It is like pro-marijuana advocates posting the same pro-marijuana posts over and over again and pro-marijuana advocates bumping those same posts up to the top over and over again.
It is bull$h!t. Plain and simple and nobody says it because of the insane groupthink that goes on here. It is sad, very, very sad. We are suppose to be an example of a libertarian type mentality or philosophy.
The vast majority of DPers have NO time to scroll through all the posts that are made. So, in essence, all that is the top 20 and any given point in the day, is all that matters.
Inside jobbers and "conspiracy theorists" have recognized this weakness of the DP structure and have exploited it since the beginning. Michael has not helped the situation since he is an inside jobber and "conspiracy theorist" and has allowed inside jobbers and "conspiracy theorists" to run the site(mods and little nazi type groupthink bullies).
I do not expect any rational discussion on the topic, I am just posting the TRUTH as I see it.
If Michael wants true liberty on the DailyPaul, he would get rid of the top 20, and set us free of the constraints on discussion it puts on us.
I have no problem with the discussion of "conspiracy theories"(I'm being honest)) but to have that as the topics of discussion everyday on the FRONTPAGE is intolerable to everyone except for an inside jobber or conspiracy theorist. Something has to give.
Hypocrite?
I refuse to bump your thread, and I find it interesting that you posted it at all given the point of your post. Are you not yourself taking advantage of the top 20 topics to promote your own agenda?
I also would not expect a "rational discussion" to derive from your diatribe and insults.
Have you considered that perhaps people keep posting on some of these topics because they consider them to be of vital importance? Have you considered that there are always new people coming to this site who may not have heard about some of these issues and might like to catch up?
Yes, sure, hide the truth in dark, dank corners. That is precisely what has been done and will continue to be done to suppress the truth in favor of the nationally approved lines of propaganda.
What if these are at the top because they are most popular?
What if no one is trying to do anything except discuss the topics they find interesting? What if they are always on the top 20 because they are the most important things to most of the people here?
Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.