So the Libertarian Party puts party ahead of principle?
I got this e-mail from a buddy of mine today who is a registered Libertarian but somehow just can't seem to "cross party lines" to register with the GOP to get Dr. Paul elected.
In other words, their party is more important to them than their principles!
Here is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to come together as Americans and support a real candidate who believes in the Constitution, who has explained how extremely difficult it is for a third party candidate to win the Presidency, and these guys want to take their toys and go home because Ron Paul has an "R" next to his name instead of an "L".
Am I way off base here, or what? Am I misunderstanding this Libertarian Party e-mail?
And for the record, I have supported the Constitution Party since 1995 and have given no money to the GOP since that time, but I am registered GOP here in Florida so we can get RP the Florida nod!
(And if this has been posted previously, sorry!)
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December 11, 2007
FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY:
Dear Libertarian ,
Throughout the year, as you could imagine, questions about Ron Paul have been non-stop. Both our members and the media swamp every line of communication available.
While reporters generally dance around the issues, looking for a salacious story about Congressman Paul, our members get right to the point:
"What are you doing to support Ron Paul?"
"Why haven't you endorsed Ron Paul?"
"Why are you avoiding Ron Paul?"
"Why isn't...?
"Why is...?
"Why don't...?"
"Why won't…?"
"...Support Ron Paul!"
Trust me, in our small Watergate office, the words "Ron Paul" echo throughout the hallways all day, every day, as we respond to the many questions posed by passionate Libertarians who call, e-mail, mail and visit our office.
If you think about it, this appears to put us in a tough position. We're the Libertarian Party, and Ron Paul is seeking the Republican presidential nomination. It's not our issue, right?
A party loyalist would not dare say something positive about a member of another party...right? Blind partisan loyalty is why Republicans and Democrats are so powerful...right?
No!
Partisanship is why they are corrupt. The Republican and Democratic parties exist to maintain their own power...that's about it.
We exist for liberty.
With integrity in our lives and in our organization, Libertarians have fought with long odds for more than three decades. We battle Republicans and Democrats who betray our principles of peace and freedom.
But now, we have a man of principle who is igniting a fire of liberty across the nation and, go figure, he has an "R" next to his name. So, what do we do? To some, this appears to be a black-or-white issue with only two options:
Do we stubbornly stand by and pretend Ron Paul does not exist?
Or . . .
Do we throw out 36 years of work, violate our own bylaws and principles, and convert to the Republican Party and join Dr. Paul?
Both of those are obviously horrible non-options.
What we can do is show respect for our Party's history, bylaws and members while making an effort to recognize the revolution that's taking place around the country.
Over this past weekend in Charleston, South Carolina, the members of the Libertarian National Committee (LNC) did just that.
It would be inappropriate and a clear violation of our bylaws for the LNC to simply "nominate" Ron Paul for the Libertarian ticket as many of his supporters have requested. That's not a decision for the LNC to make--that's the duty of Libertarian delegates at our National Convention.
What the LNC can do is attempt to "recruit" a presidential candidate, and while in Charleston, the LNC unanimously passed a resolution that states the following:
WHEREAS, the Libertarian National Committee encourages competition in the race for the Libertarian Party’s presidential nomination and is appreciative of all candidates who make the commitment to run;
NOW THEREFORE, in the event that Republican primary voters select a candidate other than Congressman Paul in February of 2008, the Libertarian National Committee urges Congressman Ron Paul to seek the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party to be decided in Denver, Colorado during Memorial Day weekend of 2008.
I encourage you to read the full resolution by clicking here.
The LNC has made a respectful gesture and it's up to the good Congressman to accept or decline when he chooses to do so. And just so you know, so far, the response from Dr. Paul's campaign has been the standard: "We have no intention to seek the nomination of a third party."
Additionally, the LNC voted to allow me to pursue an effort that will allow Ron Paul supporters to contact voters in the upcoming New Hampshire Republican primary to tell them about Dr. Paul.
They will be able to do this through our resource, www.BallotBase.org, which is essentially a decentralized call center. From the comfort of your own home, you can use the system to call voters on behalf of a candidate. It's easy to use and can be incredibly effective.
In order to use Ballot Base, you have to register by providing us with your name, address, verified e-mail, etc. and then you can start calling within minutes.
Now, I need you to know that these are very controversial decisions and there are some people who are very upset.
A few are upset that we've invited Dr. Paul into our presidential race, while others are up-in-arms that we've used LNC resources to benefit a Republican. At first glance, they have an argument, so let me take a minute to FULLY DISCLOSE what this is about, how it works and what we're possibly giving up and gaining.
We plan to use the Ballot Base to affect a Republican primary. To do so, we give up the following:
The use of a server that is not even moderately used during the political off-season.
An independent expenditure of $2,120 to purchase the New Hampshire voter files of registered Republicans.
Moderate use of staff time.
Now, here's what we possibly have to gain:
We make it possible to influence a Republican primary race in the favor of liberty...just as we have done in the past with other primary races.
We gain the ability to build a lasting relationship with a large group of pro-liberty activists.
Most importantly, through the Ballot Base registration process, we are able to reach out to many thousands of people who share many common values with the LP. Hopefully, one day down the road, as we continue to build our relationship, they will take the bold step of joining the Libertarian Party or supporting our efforts.
So, for a few thousand dollars, use of a server and some of our time, we are able to create a network of communication with what I hope will be thousands of hard-working and passionate lovers of liberty.
In the meantime, a soft-spoken Republican congressman named Ron Paul gets a leg up over the likes of Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney.
Sound good to you?
If so, keep reading, as I need you to do me a very big favor.
Today is December 11th. Thirty-six years ago, our Party was founded by a handful of people who wanted to stand up in defense of liberty. Yep--it's our 36th birthday!
The decisions made by the LNC this past weekend were bold, decisive and in my opinion, necessary. We can no longer stand by and do nothing when such an incredible opportunity exists for the Libertarian Party.
If you agree with these decisions, show your support by sending us a strong message in the form of a significant gift as we celebrate our 36th birthday. To donate, click here.
I appreciate your continued support and please know that together, we will always remain the Party of Principle.
For Liberty,
Shane Cory
Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee
P.S. If you are behind these efforts, please forward this message to friends and family and ask them to go to www.BallotBase.org to join the effort!
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The "parties" are the problem
As much as I believe in what the Libertarian party espouses (being a Libertarian myself), the mere fact that they are a "party" is a problem. The same way that the major parties are a problem.
I don't have an option to register "Libertarian" in my state, but even if I did I wouldn't. The best registration you can have is "Independent". That way nobody can take you for granted. We need to get people OUT of the parties and into the ranks of the "Independents". Just ask Lou Dobbs about why this is, he'll explain it better than I can.
So while I'm registered as a member of the Libertarian party on their site, I won't register with the bureau of elections as a member of any party, regardless of how noble their philosophy is.
Relax
If you ever met an LPer, let me reassure you that 99.99% of them will not do something just because the LNC told them. My family has been LP members and voted LP but this year they will all be voting for RP. So relax and congratulate the LP for recognizing 20 years ago the freedom champion of RP.
I've never understood the
I've never understood the Party mentality, I mean why is it that individuals feel they HAVE TO belong to any specific party be it Democratic, Republican, or Libertarian? I consider myself a life long independent as I voted for Ross Perot the first time I was ever able to vote.
Why can't people just vote for the individuals that they actually believe in? It amazes me how people dismiss a candidate due to their party affiliation, it's sad and it's a tribal flock mentality. I would register as a republican, or a democrat or whatever I need to just so I can support Dr. Paul...
Don't put parties before principals...
Regards,
David F
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Regards,
David F
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Ballot access
To maintain 50 state ballot access for a third party is an ongoing task so don't fight the LP since they may in fact be the contingency plan if voter fraud is prevalent during the GOP primaries.
Parties can be good
They allow like minded people to gather and discuss and focus their efforts. Party loyalty above principle is bad. The voting system we have is bad. If we had range voting or even IRV, parties would be much more useful.
5% of people make things happen
10% of people watch things happen
85% say "What happened?"
F the Libertarian party! If
F the Libertarian party! If they are going to be anal about Dr Paul and supporting him they lost me as a supporter of the Libertarian party!
Live Free or Die.
Live Free or Die.
Ballotbase
Everyone please reread the article. The whole point is that the LNC has made the ballotbase program available for the Ron Paul Campaign. Please go and study this program, I can't urge the RP guys enough, please check out the program. This could be the "very" tool to help RP WIN!!! in NH. Ballotbase is an excellent tool and nobody else has it. As Shane stated, the LP has taken a large and bold move in order to place RP on equal footing with the other Republicans. Also please realize that just about the entire lp membership is behind RP in one way or another. It would be interesting to know how many registered libertarians gave to the "money bomb" I would bet that it was a whole lot of them. Good Luck guys!!!!
I'm not saying that ballotbase isn't a good thing...
...but Shane wrote that "[converting] to the Republican Party and [joining]Dr. Paul" is an "obviously horrible non-option".
So to me, it sounds like he is NOT advocating that current LP members register with the GOP for the primary.
Why can't it be a "both/and"?
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Valrico (Hillsborough County), Florida
I've been active in the LP
I've been active in the LP since 1990 (and voted for Dr. Paul in 1988), and pretty much 99 out of every 100 Libertarians I know are supporting Dr. Paul. In Wisconsin, where I'm from, almost every single Libertarian supports Paul, including the officers of the party. It doesn't matter if formal endorsements are made, what matters is what you do for Dr. Paul.
Likewise, I'm a heavy reader of Libertarian blogs, and all the ones I read are backing Dr. Paul, or are helping him.
Here are some Libertarian blogs that I read:
www.gordonunleashed.com
www.lastfreevoice.com
If you go to these blogs, they have links to dozens of others Libertarian blogs.
Also, these sites that cover Third Party candidates have heavy coverage of Dr. Paul, even though he isn't running on a Third Party ticket:
www.thirdpartywatch.com
www.thirdpartynews.com
A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for James Madison.
How about a Libertarian Congress behind President Paul?
President Paul won't get much of his agenda achieved without Congressional support. And the Libertarian Party simply has no other potential Presidential candidate even on the same planet (much less in the same ballpark) as Ron Paul. So I make a modest proposal (as a Republican libertarian who regularly voted Libertarian whenever I could from 1980 to present): why don't we just act as allies rather than enemies? Let the Libertarian-Constitutionalist alliance assault the Congressional and Senatorial races (468 of 'em--should keep 'em plenty busy) and the RonPaulicans go after the Presidency. Radical Idea? We're fighting a multi-front war, plenty of blood to spill for all of us. Let's not waste precious ammunition shooting at each other when we really all believe in the same results.
salt-of-the-earth
Permission?
"What the purpose of these calls would be -- to urge people to vote in the GOP primary for Paul or to ask them to urge him to run as third party?
Either way they should not do this without campaign permission."
Since when do we have to ask the campaign for permission? Isn't the main energy behind RPs support grassroots outside of the official campaign? Did we get permission for letter writing? Besides the LP is making thier voter data available to urge support of Ron Paul not to urge him to run as third party. This is valuble data. This party has been nationally organized and have been in tis fight for a LONG time collecting this research! They are doing us a huge favor by allowing us access to it!
The Libertarian Party is doing what it has to.
The Libertarian Party currently has close to 50-state ballot access. That is no small feat for a third party, and given what the Libertarian Party has accomplished in the past, it would be *insanity* for them to throw it away.
You think they're worthless to the cause of freedom? If not for the Libertarians spoiling several Republican races in 2006, we would still have a Republican Senate, and just imagine how much worse our civil liberties and the war would be if that were the case. The Libertarian Party is the last monkeywrench we can throw into the machinations of statism.
We need Ron Paul, and we need the Libertarian Party. To protect its ballot access, Libertarians who are *already* registered Libertarian need to stay registered Libertarian, but they need to give money-lots of it-to Ron Paul. And, lo and behold, they have.
Don't attack us, we're your allies.
Wha...?
I don't get the venom vs. the LP? They have carried the torch vs. what we now fight against the wayward Republicrats and the MSM for many years. This is not a movement that came out of nowhere just because of one man. Ron Paul has brought many new people to the same place many LPers of been fighting!
The LP cannot simply endorse Ron Paul against thier own bylaws. In the event Ron Paul does not gain the GOP nomination I would expect many Ron Paul followers to join the LP and continue this fight for many years to come. We WANT a strong LP! What they ARE doing is helping Ron Paul in the best way they can without undermining thier own rules. Furthermore I would bet that if RP does gain the nomination the LP will not run a presidential canidate at all.
Give them a break! They are on OUR side.
This Whole discussion is Pointless, Unless You Remember
We are all individuals, not groups. Libertarians are very much supporting the Ron Paul campaign, some of them since before 1988.
Saying the Libertarian Party is or isn't helping makes just as much sense as saying the Republican Party is or isn't helping. Okay, now that I hear it, sounds like the LP is helping more, but you get the point. Only individuals vote, march and make calls.
The by-laws and rules of the party are voted on at the Convention, so until then, the leadership is bound by them, on principle. As I like to point out, you can join the LP without changing your voter registration, or vice versa. Hope to see some of you at the convention in Denver.
IMissLiberty
IMissLiberty
As far as I can tell...
As far as I can tell, the Libertarian Party is bending over backwards to help Ron Paul. No other party would ever offer to help out a campaign of a different party. That email proves that they've done everything in their power -- without violating their own bylaws -- to help Ron Paul. I plan on returning the support to the Libertarians in the general election as a way to ensure Ron Paul gets legislation through Congress.
after I vote in Colorado's
after I vote in Colorado's primary and if I do not become a delgate, I was going to register Libertarian.. but with these people not helping us to get Ron Paul the nomination, it has kinda soured me on them. LOL if Hitlery were like' Ron Paul and and had the same Policies and Ron wasn't running Id be voting for her... its the person not the party! I am frustrated that all we seem to get from the libertarians and the constitution party is lip service... Both of those Party's should have told the people in thier party to register Republican And vote for Ron Paul and donate to Ron Paul.. YOU DO WHATS BEST FOR YOUR COUNTRY NOT YOUR PARTY! The reason why Ron Paul had to run as Republican is to get the national exposure at the debates. You do not get this running as a third party candidate. This same thing bothers me with the NRA. The only pro second ammendment candidate running is Ron Paul and basically in the email they returned to me they want to see who's gonna win before they endorse.. what a joke! even tho that candidate may sponcer some gun control!.. TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LIBERTARIANS OUT THERE.. REGISTER REPUBLICAN VOTE IN THE PRIMARY- AND PLEASE DONATE.. who cares if Ron Paul carries a Republican name tag.. DO WHATS BEST FOR YOUR COUNTRY! NOT YOUR PARTY!
“A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished.” (Prov. 22:3; 27:12 KJV)
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Right on
Party over Principle is a dumb move.
I swear allegiance to no party, only to candidates that show they want to govern by rule of law.
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A Revolutionary idea
What if everyone just voted for the best American for the job, and which party they belonged to didn't matter?
Not sure
What the purpose of these calls would be -- to urge people to vote in the GOP primary for Paul or to ask them to urge him to run as third party?
Either way they should not do this without campaign permission.
Asinine
Your critique is just asinine.
I'm all for urging individuals who are registered Libertarian to cross over (even if just temporarily), to vote in the GOP primaries. I know many Libertarians who have switched. In fact, I don't know many who aren't switching.
But you seem to be attacking the Libertarian Party for existing.
What would you have the Libertarian Party do? Violate its bylaws? Vote to disband?
They can't openly support Ron Paul. In fact, by conventional standards, they're going too far in supporting Paul. The DNC or RNC would never do something like this.
Many leaders within the LP are going great distances to help Ron Paul in a way GOP or Democratic leaders never would. They'd view it as treasonous.
Cut them some slack.
Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views...Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. - SCotUS, 1995
I'm going back to the LP
I'm going back to the LP after the primary, the Republican Party in general has no interest in our point of view.
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RNC support
When Ron Paul wins the Republican nomination, wouldn't the RNC have no choice but to support Ron Paul? I just don't see how Ron Paul can win the nomination and the Republican party support some other candidate. After all, if the people want Ron Paul, a Republican, for president why would the GOP snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? It just doesn't make any sense, especially in an election where the GOP has been expected to lose.
What the LP does at this point is of very little concern to me. If they line up behind Ron Paul, I'd say, "Welcome aboard". If they want to run with someone in the general election it probably won't matter very much anyway.
I think that Ron Paul's position on not running 3rd party or independent is actually very smart. He presents us with a "now or never" choice. We either get him the Republican nomination, or we don't get him. There simply is no other choice. If he ran outside the GOP, he would never get any old media coverage, would not be invited to any debate (just ask a certain Mr. Badnarik about that), and the only time anyone would see him on television would be on some little-watched PBS forum for 3rd party candidates where he would be sharing time with kooks and crazies (I watched it last time around, some of these people really belonged in an institution).
Drain the swamp!
Yes the RNC can stab nominee Ron Paul in the back
They did it to Barry Goldwater in 1964. I was there. Why not Ron Paul in 2008? We are at war; and the most dangerous enemy is the false friend standing next to you.
salt-of-the-earth
I'm not critiquing them for existing...
I'm critiquing them for what I perceive to be their divisive method for "supporting" Ron Paul.
I'm saying they are putting the Libertarian Party ahead of getting Ron Paul elected as President.
He has said he won't run third party, so shouldn't we all be supporting him right now in his GOP run?
That's all I'm asking. It seems to me they are more concerned about the Libertarian Party than getting Ron Paul elected as President!
Isn't getting him the GOP nod the best way to get him elected? Isn't that why he himself decided to run on the GOP ticket? If we dilute our efforts in working towards him getting the GOP nomination, he has made it clear that he isn't going to run on the Libertarian ticket. I see getting him the GOP nomination as our ONLY chance for him to get elected President. What am I missing?
And I agree with you: I'm also for urging individuals who are registered Libertarian to cross over (even if just temporarily), to vote in the GOP primaries. It seems that Shane is discouraging that. It makes no sense to me if they are truly wanting RP to be President.
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Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Valrico (Hillsborough County), Florida
Exactly
I'm saying they are putting the Libertarian Party ahead of getting Ron Paul elected as President.
Thats exactly what they are doing, they don't want the Libertarian party to disappear into a puff of smoke if Ron Paul doesn't win.
Realistically this isn't going to happen because there are only 3 things that can happen.
One Ron Paul losses the Republican party nomination, this will strengthen the Libertarian party because people realize they can't get anything done through the GOP, and the potential 3rd party run.
Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination and wins the presidency, yea this will hurt the "Libertarian" party but at the cost of Freedom. I don't think this is what they are scared of though.
Ron Paul wins the GOP nomination but losses the presidency, this will destroy the Libertarian party as they realize that liberty is screwed no matter what we do, could lead to ugliness.
We hang together
Or we shall surely hang separately!
Let's Reign! (Rev. 5:10)
Valrico (Hillsborough County), Florida