A message about conspiracy theories and criticisms of the campaign.

that we are involved in a war of ideas and concepts. These concepts have a history that spans hundreds of years and can be traced back to their proponents in ages past. A study of history will show that the major opposing concepts center around the opposing theories of Malthusian Economics and Austrian (free market) Economics. That there is a history to the development of each of these schools of thought gives rise to many having thought of them as conspiracies when they have simply progressed along a track of development. One is a philosophy of collectivism and the other is a philosophy of individualism. Each has its adherents and each has had its cabals that seek to implement programs based on those philosophies. This is what I see as the extent to which a conspiracy may exist.

80% of all drug cases in the unconstitutional federal war on drugs, are conspiracy cases. In many of these conspiracy cases, the co-defendants do not even know each other.

Why are there so many conspiracy cases?

Because it is easier to get a conviction.

It seems, if you tell the jury there is a conspiracy, the jury almost always believes it.

Remember, jury pools are taken from registered voters.

Also want to add that instead of arguing about people's posts, why not look at the issue at hand.... is it not true that Buchanan votes were thrown out in IA? Then we know that it very possibly could happen again... so DO something about it instead of arguing about petty things... the man has a plan to make voting legitimate and it is true that all our hard work would go down the drain and the DREAM would die if this issue is not taken care of.... so Please stop diverting from the issue

Thanks for this. It also amazes me how reactive some were to Condit's post, to the point they wanted to mutiny. It was downright immature, coming from some who supposedly have campaign 'experience'.

I also don't think we are talking about theories like the NAU. That is not a theory and most of us agree that globalist ideas to erase borders and sovereignty exist, and they are part of Ron's platform.

I think the 'conspiracy' theories jaysonks is talking about is the one that somehow there are 'moles' in Ron's campaign which to me is ludicrous.

...but conspiracies DO exist. All over the place. The mafia sound familiar? How do you think they get drugs into your town?

I have conspired with people and scammed thousands. I am not proud of it. I admit it now because in my quest to be a better person I think it is important to tell people.

The simple fact is conspiracies are real. They exist. They work. I have never been caught, no one ever leaked, nothing every happened.

We got away with it and most people do.

Unless secrecy is exposed and suspicious things are investigated throughly, people who think the way I used to will continue to get away with crimes of every kind.

I'm the meetup coordinator for Meetup 6 in NH (over 560 members). Thank you, thank you, thank you for this post. I was going to write something exactly like this but you beat me to it

The campaign staff in NH are not perfect. But they are working their butts off, have many sleepless nights, and are sincerely focused on getting Dr Paul elected. They get pretty much nothing but grief. They are doing some extremely great things that no one ever sees because they keep things secret from the competition. Please support them in their efforts. If we all go off in separate directions, we're going to lose NH.

God Bless Ron Paul
God Bless America

If you want Ron to win you cant make him look crazy. He's become guilty by association and it might cost us the election.

p.s. Just heard Tancredo talk about the constitution....sounded so much like Ron Paul its not even funny.

LOL

I have been wanting to write a post like this for several weeks now. I have to remind many people at my meetup group that we come from so many different backgrounds and enviroments. We have begun many a meeting reminding each individual to carefully think about the words that come out of their mouths. It becomes very easy for arguments to pop up because of all the different ideas, issues, personalities, etc. We as a group have to realize that we are here to promote and elect Ron Paul for President. Discussion turns people on, Fighting and Bickering turn people off. I'm for spirited debate but I have to keep my eye on the goal as well. To make this short I will just say that we are part of the Ron Paul Revolution family!!! (which might explain the disfunctional debates sometimes) We need to build each other up and stop tearing each other down. If you disagree with someone....do it like Ron Paul....respectfully and intelligently. I feel like I should end this with "hugs and kisses" but that might be a little trite....no?
GO Ron Paul!!!

Most republican voters think there is a vast conspiracy by the "liberal media" that is out to get them. Rush Limbaugh has been promoting conspiracies for over 15 years now to get out the vote. I say we keep promoting conspiracies, or else we will lose the traditional republican conspiracy voters to Giuliani and Romney.

I agree 100 percent.

On top of that, when I said the actual vote count really does not matter as much as getting delegates, I got bashed as a plant.

With a response like that, we have no chance.

Listen, no one candidate is going to win 50 percent of the vote like in year past. In fact it has been nearly 60 years sense the Republican National Convention actually chose the presidential candidate.

So we could win the popular vote and not get the nomination.

WE NEED DELEGATES. We could actually loose the popular vote and win the nomination if we have enough delegates.

If you don't understand this, you are actually the problem.

I am not a member of a secret organization seeking to control your mind. In fact, I take an open source approach to my conspiracies. The problem is that most people don't look beyond the first level abstraction...

The first thing I did was distort your perception of Value by making your currency based on backorders for gold instead of redeemable to a fixed amount. We called this the "Federal Reserve Act." I also got a Federal Income Tax passed so that your now variable money could cycle through my hands as I provide kickbacks to the various industries to make cost of living artificially low while I siphoned money into weapons for European wars so that America would emerge an untouched economic super power.

The next thing I did was build military bases all over the world. I justified this by creating a diametric opposer out of the Russian dudes. We avoided bloody combat while technological progress kicked off amazingly. Then we realized we had all these cool new weapons and no one to bomb so we drafted people off to Vietnam.

During the chaos, we got rid of the gold that use to back up your currency and convinced people that dollars were valuable because they had always been. Just like every empire in history, we created fundamentally broken fiat currency system and told all the Muslim people to worship our dollar (give us oil) or die. Basically everyone we armed back in the day, had to be disarmed so we could get our oil out of their ground.

They convinced 20 people to fly planes into the center of our dollar export and military coercion industries. What assholes.

So we bombed the shit out of them some more.

Yea. Something about Mind Control...

We are all on the same team. Just do your part and stop freaking out about what others may or may not be doing.

so I get together with other people that like playing ping pong. We don't tell anybody else about our ping pong plans, because they don't share our enthusiasm for ping pong. I wonder if its possible if there are people out there who like making money by unscrupulous means and also like getting together with other people who like making money unscrupulously. If these people do exist do you think they might talk about ways to collaborate to make money unscrupulously? If I was going to do something unscrupulous I would try and make it look respectable. Hmmmm... Nah, that's just silly. Nobody like that exists. Silly me.

I haven't been impressed with the official campaign staff. Incompetence may be a strong word, but "in over their heads" may be more appropriate.

This is something that Dr. Paul is going to have to address. The responsibility starts at the top. It's like spending money. If the campaign wastes money, or spends too little of it, or spends it not very well, whose fault is it? Ultimately, the candidate.

You can make an argument that the candidate is unaware, but if I were the candidate, I would certainly be looking at my ads. I would also want to gather some smart people around me who would be looking at the ads, and evaluating them.

It could be a generational thing, with Dr. Paul not being internet savvy, but then his kids and grandkids and other trusted advisors should be watching his back.

From all I can tell, Dr. Paul is quite astute, and so the conclusion I draw is, that he is probably aware of most of these issues, and maybe for reasons of loyalty or because he knows some things that we don't, he has elected to stay with the same campaign staff.

The other issue is growth. In growing a business, it's tough to expand at even 10-20% a year. When your growth is exploding, it's very difficult to hire new people, get them settled in, supervise them, etc. For anyone.

I spent some time on the web and couldn't find any smoking guns of Dr. Paul's campaign staff being other than loyal employees.

Some of the posts were from long-time Paul backers who, through the years, maybe developed bones to pick with some of the current people around Dr. Paul. It's not productive to amplify these kinds of personality disputes.

With regard to the potential vote cheating, I think there may be a fear of insulting the Republicans who are in charge of vote counting, and alienating the local party structure. If Dr. Paul is seen as an outsider, with his supporters name calling, accusing "fellow Republicans" of cheating, of conspiracy, or worse, the damages done to him locally may be worse than any gains in terms of accuracy of vote counting. In a lot of states, the primaries are deliberately set up so that the parties can retain control.

The members of the campaign may be much more aware of this than some posters, and so may be less willing to raise the issue of potential vote fraud.

to the extent that we can achieve much more in being positive than by trying to shoot down every little thing we don't like or agree with. I think there are definitely conspiracies; but I don't think those ideas belong at the fore—ahead of or in front of Paul or his message. And I couldn't agree more about the use of shouting (as in SHOUTING), that it has no place here; and particularly that it has no place in the subject lines of your posts and replies.

It takes all types, this is both a good thing and a bad thing, because it shows the message of Ron Paul and how he has such a diverse group of follows. I think it's important to keep things civil and to also talk about things that are not going to make Ron Paul get ignored anymore than he already is.

I honestly believe there is a time and a place for discussions on things like conspiracy theories whether you believe 9/11 was an inside job, or whether you are talking about the NAFTA super highway. The biggest problem is that you can go and yell at people and get in their faces about these types of issues. When you do then sadly you come across as a fanatical nut, regardless of how accurate your facts are.

The mainstream media are just chomping at the bit to label us all as Timothy McVey crazies, so when you act like a fanatical conspiracy theorist then it's hurting the campaign. I'm not saying to change your beliefs, but there's a time and a place and a tactic to talk about these things. It's just like anything else it's all about what is appropriate.

Save it for myspace, or when Dr. Paul stops by the Alex Jones Radio show...

I believe that there is great power in accepting that people, even those who disagree about the importance of freedom, are just fallible peopple, often trying to do the right thing.

Look at the tatic of one of the most effective popularizers of freedom -- John Stossel. He doesn't accuse people who think differently than he of being idiots or of being in on some conspiracy. He understands that they would simply dismiss him.

Insead he says things like, "I used to think that (what opponent thinks) but then I found out (how freedom works)." He makes what they are currently thinking reasonable because he shared it too at one point. He is like their buddy.

I think we will bring in more people by standing in their shoes and walking with them than by hammering them over their heads with our well worn clodhoppers.

Dennis
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for a great post.

As I have said before, let’s try to emulate Dr. Paul.

No more hateful words and no more crazy posts please.

We can agree to disagree.