Vital Info to study: Political Ponerology and Psychopaths

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* This is an older posting originally from 2008 from ArmorofChrist777. Thank you, Armor..and I hope you don't mind me bringing this back! The comments are locked now but I wanted to re-post this. I encourage new and old members alike to study at least some of the material recommended.

Here is the original thread:
Posted by ArmorofChrist777 on 6/26/2008

What is REALLY wrong with our leaders?

For all of my life, one of my greatest interests has been to understand the nature of human evil, and deception is one of the primary characteristics of evil people.

Quotes from researchers:

"Imagine – if you can – NOT HAVING A CONSCIENCE, NONE AT ALL, no feelings of guilt or remorse no matter what you do, no limiting sense of concern for the well-being of strangers, friends, or even family members. Imagine no struggles with shame, not a single one in your whole life, no matter what kind of selfish, lazy, harmful, or immoral action you had taken.

Now add to this, the ability to conceal from other people that your psychological makeup is radically different from theirs. Since everyone simply assumes that conscience is universal among human beings, hiding the fact that you are conscience-free is nearly effortless.

For most people, evil is something you find in prisons or slums. They simply do not think of people who have money and dress nicely as being evil. But successful psychopaths do not end up in prisons or slums. They can be bankers, physicians, professionals of any stripe, politicians, even leaders of nations."

Here's a subject area that people in our movement need to be familiar with so we have a better understanding of the world we live in - and how the minds of the elite work.

NO MOVEMENT WILL EVER SUCCEED THAT DOES NOT FACTOR PSYCHOPATHY AND PONEROLOGY INTO ITS CONSIDERATIONS!"

POLITICAL PONEROLOGY – "A science on the nature of evil adjusted for political purposes.
http://www.ponerology.com/

Trick of the Psychopaths's Trade: Making us believe that evil comes form others:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/148141-The-Trick-of-the-Ps...

"Twilight of the Psychopaths"
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/01/02/0...

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Requiem to Marx

A study of evil in history.
http://mises.org/resources/3579

"Is it an American tradition that the U.S. president should support the head of Soviet communism in time of need? ...Herbert Hoover bailed out Lenin, Franklin Roosevelt bailed out Stalin, and George Bush rescued Gorbachev."

Yuri Maltsev lectures are also enlightening.

Free includes debt-free!

Political Ponerology and Psychopaths.

I resurrected this thread.

The "science of the study of evil" is something that people need to know about.

Ron Paul is My President

Thanks for the repost

Missed it the first time. Very interesting and explains a lot!

"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

-Thomas Jefferson, third US President, architect and author (1743-1826)

Jim Rogers

Thanks Belle

for bringing this back.

It's vital allright. I think it's the only way to really understand the sicko's in DC.

Ron Paul is My President

all right . . .

*taking a deep breath*

spouse and I have recently become aware that one of our children has fallen prey (as have we, by association) to a psychopath.

The damage has been, so far, not more than emotional and spiritual, but that has been enough.

This person (the psychopath) is religious and uses religion as part of *his/her* methods.

We (our child's father and mother) have been naive. We HAVE believed that all people are good.
We have 'fallen' for this person. Fortunately, our child has seen the danger and is moving away from it.

But this has opened my eyes to something of which I had never before been aware.

This person is intelligent. This person is charming. This person looks VERY good. This person is willing to 'serve' as part of his/her (yes, I don't identify by gender on here) overall 'program'--

can look VERY self-sacrificing, but is without conscience. As a result of this very well-developed skill, many people with consciences (including family members of the psychopath) are led along . . .

manipulated into doing whatever the psychopath wants.

When we first realized it, we shuddered.

Yes, it feels evil.

Yet, this evil person wears an almost perpetual smile.

I'm sorry; I have to believe this. I might have disagreed before the last few years, but now I have seen it for myself.

Yes, many of *us* DO assume *we* all have consciences--

those of *us* who do fall prey to this even more easily at times--

arming ourselves against this is a must--

and there ARE people with limited intelligence or brain damage who suffer from conscience impairment who do not become 'successful'; they can cause a lot of pain to those who love them, but they seldom are able to wield truly destructive power.

As for how God views this--

I don't know. He will judge.

But evil exists.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Remember

Since most of us are attracted to good and repulsed by evil, evil must ALWAYS disguise itself as something good in order to survive.

Your child is fortunate to have strong, reliable

support from you.

It's everywhere.

There are millions out there just like him/her.

It is VERY good that you recognize that not everybody has a conscience. Part of the way their evil plans work is because people think, "They would NEVER do something like that".
Oh, yes they would.
And they would do far worse if they can get away with it.

I posted a few minutes ago about the way people say these wicked politicians that we rail about are "sooo stupid", when they are not stupid at all. That's just giving them an out. They are evil to the core.

People need to realize it.
They are going to come for us, and do things to us, and everybody else out there in the general population too.
They have no "barrier", where their mind says, "No, I can't do that, it's just too evil, even for me".
Nope. They have NO barrier at all. They will do anything, no matter how heinous.
And in fact, they are doing alot of it right now.

Don't fall into the trap that "these people are just like me". They are NOT.

Dehumanizing psychobabble

We have to realize that it is quite easy to turn the average decent human into what many consider to be evil.

Give him a cause, some money, some brotherhood, and some babes and he'll kill for you.

Examples: military, gangs, executives, politicians, etc.

This is how the primary psychpaths

create "secondary" psychopaths.

Thanks for ressurrecting

this!

Vital: Of the utmost importance

Here's a subject area that people in our movement need to be familiar with so we have a better understanding of the world we live in - and how the minds of the elite work.

NO MOVEMENT WILL EVER SUCCEED THAT DOES NOT FACTOR PSYCHOPATHY AND PONEROLOGY INTO ITS CONSIDERATIONS!"

Bookmark this post please...do some initial reading and thinking about then come back to discuss.

Thank you for your attention.

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Very interesting stuff...thanks!

I will have to explore this more before commenting...really interesting and it fits.

END the FED before it ENDS US

Please do, DrKrby!

I added another read down below..which inspired me to revive this discussion in a more serious response to the 'Are Humans Good?' post. Once you read up a little ..come back and share your thoughts..and bump this for others!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Beware of the Psychopath, My Son

** I'm also adding this article that I recently read which reminded me of the archived post above.

BEWARE OF THE PSYCHOPATH, MY SON
excerpts..

Behind the apparent insanity of contemporary history, is the actual insanity of psychopaths fighting to preserve their disproportionate power. And as their power grows ever-more-threatened, the psychopaths grow ever-more-desperate. We are witnessing the apotheosis of the overworld - the overlapping criminal syndicates that lurk above ordinary society and law just as the underworld lurks below it.

During the past fifty years, psychopaths have gained almost absolute control of all the branches of government. You can notice this if you observe carefully that no matter what illegal thing a modern politician does, no one will really take him to task. All of the so called scandals that have come up, any one of which would have taken down an authentic administration, are just farces played out for the public, to distract them, to make them think that the democracy is still working.

When you understand the true nature of psychopathic influence, that it is conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating, and devoid of any moral or ethical standards, you are horrified, but at the same time everything suddenly begins to makes sense. Our society is ever more soulless because the people who lead it and who set the example are soulless - they literally have no conscience.
Psychopaths learn to recognize each other in a crowd as early as childhood, and they develop an awareness of the existence of other individuals similar to themselves. They also become conscious of being of a different world from the majority of other people surrounding them. They view us from a certain distance.

Think about the ramifications of this statement: Psychopaths are, to some extent, self-aware as a group even in childhood! Recognizing their fundamental difference from the rest of humanity, their allegiance would be to others of their kind, that is, to other psychopaths.

Their own twisted sense of honor compels them to cheat and revile non-psychopaths and their values. In contradiction to the ideals of normal people, psychopaths feel breaking promises and agreements is normal behavior.

Please read the full article:
http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/485/

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

I don't know how else to tell you!!!!

* These people are different from us!!! You have to know this information! Please study this material! There are enough links in the post to get you going!

"When you understand the true nature of psychopathic influence, that it is conscienceless, emotionless, selfish, cold and calculating, and devoid of any moral or ethical standards, you are horrified, but at the same time everything suddenly begins to makes sense. Our society is ever more soulless because the people who lead it and who set the example are soulless - they literally have no conscience."

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Troubling....

As much as I agree on the destructive and immoral nature of current political leaders, I can't fall for this. This equates collectivism and military imperialism as the result of "evil" and "soulless" people that are just the way they are. This puts it into a religious context and removes the idea that it is a choice and a philosophy. That these people can "recognize" each other as little children makes them another race or subspecies.

This is a very dangerous idea if you think about it. If they don't have a choice, if they are just "created" evil by the Christian god, then how can you condemn them - they are fulfilling their destiny. This way of thinking also misrpresents people that actually are insane in a multitude of ways. Whether schitzophrenia, multiple personalities, or whatever, they are problems with brain functions, not political idealism. Saying that the (yes, evil in my opinion) neocons like Cheney and Rumsfeld are "psychopaths" takes away their responsibility and culpability and of the leaders and philosophers responsible for this mess we are in.

I could go on, but I'll pick up later - gotta go.

Thanks for the interesting topic.

www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."

And...

What are your trying to say? - I'm not sure of your contect.

www.libertyrestorationproject.org
"We are the inheritors of the American Enlightenment, which tells us that Individual Liberty always trumps collectivism in all forms."

"Qu'est que c'est ?". You Ask ...

Does my silence suggest I am a psycho thread killer?

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual...

"You start a conversation you can't even finish it
You're talkin' a lot, but you're not sayin' anything
When I have nothing to say, my lips are sealed
Say something once, why say it again?

Psycho killer
Qu'est que c'est
Fa-fa-far better
Run, run, run, run, run, run, run, away"

***

I'm working on that question of Good vs. Evil; Free Will vs. Determinism; Choice vs. Behaviorism; Individual vs. Society

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/137512#comment-1480462

De-Termination
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/139697#comment-1489827

Concerted Action
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/140289#comment-1494444

Monolithic Consensus Building
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/125065
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kimball/100315

For Whom The Belle Tolls ...

She Tolls For We.

I had intended to resurrect this classic on perspective from the DP archives myself yesterday. The day before I was reminded of this lesson from our own history when I posted a comment on the Humans: Good vs. Evil thread.

Recognizing names and current events is never as important as discerning profiles and techniques because wisdom is learning how to avoid being easily manipulated and deceived.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129582#comment-1388219

I intend to bump this thread again recalling classic DP educational threads priming us on the pathology which forever threatens to obstruct us from enjoying the blessings of liberty.

Belle -- You are a CLASSic Act. Thank you.

I heard you whisper in my ear..

;-) We've been down this path before..but it's worth another walk. One always sees more details the second time around! I think the problem (with me) is that I've been traveling down the rabbit holes at such a high rate of speed ..I tend to get distracted and forget what I have seen! Mad Hatters and White Rabbits!

Thanks, LibBerte..for acknowledging my 'Hello? Is there anybody OUT THERE? Just nod if you can hear me!" ;-)

This was my rather flippant response to the Good vs. Evil thread ..I was loathe to bump it with anything more serious (due to knowing the nature of the author.)

;-)
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129605#comment-1389015

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

OOoohhhh ... The Humanity ....

;-)

Leaving for a week..

so I have to give this topic another try..it's been a couple weeks!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd