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"Our God Given Rights" Where in the Bible does God give?

I agree we have em, but I don't really have the reference to back it up... Anyone?

Chapter, verse, and version of Bible please

I have a B.A. in theology, maybe Im missing it?

Just wondering what everyone is usually referring to when they mention God Given Rights. We know the Right to Life is taken away by abortion, so all those beautiful children I bet would wonder too...
I think we should be clearer in how we say it?

To the guy who said I should read it and find out:
Clever. And I do read the Bible everyday. Every version of it too.

My main question is not if I believe it otr not it is asking why we say the bible gives us our God given Rights from the Bible. If it is deduced from reading the Bible that this is true, then OK I can agree. But we keep acting like there is one or a few specific places God gives them to us in the Bible. We should be straightforward, thats all.



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Your problem... you have a BA in Theology. :) Keep it simple!

Keep it simple. Don't over analyze!

"Thou shalt not kill."... right to life!
"Thou shalt not steal."... right to personal ownership of property!

Etc. You do the math. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out! Every wise and simple farmer, worker, slave, serf, and even many with the curse of higher degrees from foolish professors, for most of history, have figured this out and partaken of this light and wisdom!

Of course if that is not clear enough, "... what God hath given a man to enjoy of the fruit of his labor, but another taketh it from him, this is an evil disease...", "... an abomination...".

Or the evil of the Fed, the rich who have benefited from the wealth transfer of the Fed, the governments who have hidden the unjust and unconstitutional taxes through the evil of the false balance Fed...

Amos 8: 4-10, for starters...

"4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,

5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

6 That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?

7 The Lord hath sworn by the excellency of Jacob, Surely I will never forget any of their works.

8 Shall not the land tremble for this, and every one mourn that dwelleth therein? and it shall rise up wholly as a flood; and it shall be cast out and drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only son, and the end thereof as a bitter day."

Time to tear away the theology degree scales from the eyes and read... and learn truth! The rule of law, a higher law, and moral law, is the only rule to which just judges should acquiesce, the only law not formulated by tyrants, and not created by governments. It is the law which binds the souls and lives of humans who wish to live free and in liberty!

Since God gave that law, it follows no man can take it away! Therein is the freedom of a people... they are governed solely by the rule of law, through a government bound by oath to the people and that same rule of law! This is the reason some high courts of America, and the capitol buildings, refer to Moses or the 10 commandments above the doors! It is a simple acknowledgment that ultimately a man did not create just common law, or man could take it away!

Absent such a higher law, men become tyrants, one or all falling to the moral hazard of the vacuum. The strongest or smartest, for a brief time climb to the top of the heap, only to be replaced by another, the forces of natural law, the unbend-able rules of economics, or any other exigency of the day.

In essence, God rules in the affairs of men, and leaves them accountable for their actions!

That is the Ron Paul way!

Ron Paul 2016! Get used to it!

I think the Bible gives you

I think the Bible gives you the RIGHT to go to Hell if you don't believe in God, or Christ, or the Holy Spirit or, something. The Bible though is largely about belief of God over everything else, even doing good. Because of course you can do horrible things in the name of said God as long as you're a believer. Beliverism is more imporant than actions, which is why it's so difficult to penetrate the vail of state and religion worship. The focus is on belief rather than actions. For instance, I believein my country even though I hate what it does.I believe in my God, even thoguh it does horrible things. So therefore, I will do horrible things to defend my country and defend my God.

On and on it goes.

Rights are not given,

the are taken, either by you or from you.

You know what...

You really stumped me, intrigued me, and it took me a while but I think I found a solid answer. I am not a biblical scholar but I have studied different doctrines. I am just going to give you my super shallow input but I think it is valid. Let me also say that after studying the words of Joseph Smith I am very intrigued with what the mormons believe...they believe that the scripture that was copied down from Joseph Smith is the word of God. After understanding how that scripture came about, and after reading that scripture, which I would really hope before making any comment unless you have read it..That being said, I have 2 things to say before I present my findings. First...I am not Mormon....I do believe the Bible are words from God, I also do believe that the Joseph Smith writing is a continuation and a parallel to the bible. Now...this has NO bearing on what I am about to show you. This tool is a great tool. The LDS church has a site where they have painfully researched the bible, and the Mormon bible so you can search and cross reference scripture like google. I use this site over and over and over when looking for things I can not find. The work that these people did to create this cross reference site is astonishing. Here is the site..Just type in what you want, and this site will attempt to pull up valid scripture to your request...is it perfect..no. Is it great..I think so.
https://www.lds.org/scriptures?lang=eng&cid=rdscriptures
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So...
It took me a couple of searches to get down to what your question was. I found nothing in regards to searches of "God Given Right" per se. And that intrigued me. So I had to branch out in my own way of thinking....and I really feel that our true God given right is the "Freedom of Choice" or "Agency". So I did a few searches, and I hit the jackpot to your question I think. Now whether you agree with it or not...that is an entirely different story. Does it answer your question....and mine. I say YES..better than I could have ever described. Here is what I found. NOTE:I just read through this entire description before posting...I am blown away. It describes and backs up with scripture what we all face. And it answers in detail our "God given right" of "Agency". In my opinion..amazing.
Again...I sure appreciate your post, because it made me search. Have a great day..
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https://www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-4-freed...

The funny thing

About concepts of things beyond, ie "God", is the use of past tense.
If we r gonna say "God created us" or "God gave us rights" it suggests the idea of some being setting up everything on earth and then spinning the crap out of it and leaving it to evolution.
Let's all get correct with this and start speaking in present tense. "God is creating us". Paints a clearer picture of reality. I mean our body's are completely different matter than just a while ago. I don't know exactly but like every couple years every cell has Been completely rebuilt so our body's are literally new matter every so often. In that respect God is actively creating us every moment. This also touches on the whole intervention issue, God never intervenes. Because it's a constant work. To say God steps in and out is a contradiction.
On the whole rights thing, I say that is more of a relative thing. You wouldn't say you have the right to eat, it's just natural. So having rights is like having fingers or hair. its not like there's any way to exist in this form without them. I'm mean unless they are taken away of course. It comes with existing.
Saying "God given rights" is like saying. God created us, waited a minute, then decided "oh mabey I should give this being rights so it doesn't get pushed around. "
All this being said I dont like to view God in such limited ways. To me God doesn't do anything. God is... And everything that we call reality is just vibration being interpreted by the mind. It's all potentiality. Anyway I'll stop now.

AUM

Your Rights come from Nature.

“Under the law of nature, all men are born free; every one comes into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own sustenance.” –Thomas Jefferson: Legal Argument, 1770. FE 1:376

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Tom Rankin

Great quote

Did you verify? Although I disagree with the unnecessary conclusion that it is "necessary for his own sustainance" tell that to a hydra.

I gave your master's house to

I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more. 2 Samuel 12:8

Did you miss this verse?

If your rights come from God,

does that mean God can take them away?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Yes

God can take them away by removing your agency or consciousness.

No

The way I see it is the gift our creator gave us is "Agency". I hope you take the time to read the above post. It is very detailed.

If it is "Agency" then who is the Prinicpal and who is the Agent

??

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

Agency is referential.

It refers to the capability we have as individuals to determine our actions using mental acts. This contrasts with the manner in which we can control the actions of others-- these require deception or physical acts of force or intimidation. 'Mental' is also referential and assumes consciousness.

I don't think that interpretation of Agency

for that time period and context is correct. The Bible is a book of law and as such, more context is gleamed from proper historical law definitions as to what is being referred to.

I think the Agency you are referring to has nothing to do with the context used in the Bible or any other book of law that is older than 100 years.

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

I thought that it was my original thought

So I researched it on Google books. The search was along the lines of inalienablity, the soul-body dichotomy and god giving us dominion over our own bodies. It was popular medieval reflection (which probably fed into enlightenment thinking). Maybe Ill post the sources when I find them.

God

God isn't to be narrowed into the philosophy of Christianity. God is broad. Rights are endowed by our creator.

Enonesoch

Which came first...

consciousness or rights?

Consciousness

There is no ownership, self, or self-ownership without consciousness.

Rights stem from free will

Rights stem from free will being the nature of reality. Rights that are put into documents are done so to spell them out for government. Even if a government tried to violate a right, they cannot take your free will, so your rights all still exist. The notion that they can be taken is an illusion that gives evil power.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

"god given"

basically means, "born with"

your "god given right to see things that can be see" is the fact that you were born with eyes and they work.
your "god given right to hear something that can be heard" is the fact that "god gave you working ears".
a blind person could never claim that they have a "right to see".
a deaf person could never claim to have the "the right to hear".
etc...
as with all "rights" it ends when you try to violate someone else.
as in, you do not have a "right to kill another person" just because you were born with the ability to do it.

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dont hink ofit as god given rights....

That alienates the non-religious folks.

rights are either intrinsic to your humanity... ie: you are born with them, or they are a gift of another human or group of humans which clearly cannot make sense as where do they get them?

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I'm an athiest

and I have no problem with the language of "god given" rights.

It was simply the lingo of the time, most western countries being christian.

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Sorry to hear that

I think it's pretty unreasonable to believe that the overwhelming majority of the planet has been deluded since the dawn of man.

Maybe each culture interprets the O.C (original creator) differently - so there are lots of different ideas out there, but one thing they agree on: Some creator exists.

There isn't any other topic in existence that people have EVER gotten so wrong as they would be if there were no kind of original creator.

And most of the atheists don't arrive at their position for any logical reason.
It's usually a protest against some misconduct of one religious institution or another.

In any event, if you're a true atheist - meaning you simply lack a belief in God - then why would you be offended by its use? It's only the Militant Atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens who make a career out of vitriolic spite.

Put the anger down.
"God-given" doesn't imply one religion over another.
Or even SOME religion over NO religion.
It's about as neutral as you can get.

Just out of curiosity: Do you do any searching to see if there is a way to find god ? Are you a materialist who only accepts as evidence what can fit under a microscope ?

Because there's as much physical proof for God as there is for Love.
Cheers.

"If you always lean on your master, you will never be able to proceed without him." - Jefferson to his daughter Martha. March 1787

It references self-ownership

God created you and gave you agency over your body. That gives you priority or rights above other people who try to control your body. Respecting that agency in others creates the rights and responsibilities of individual rights. The fact of your self ownership could also be called inalienable.

As an atheist...

...I view these rights as those that not only humans but all animals "naturally" have. It is in our genetics to protect our property, to live in freedom, and to pursue what makes us happy. Anything contrary is not "natural".

More musings on this

I like your comment and would add that the notion of intrinsic rights stems also from the fact that, whatever created us as you describe, was not other humans, and predates the advent of government, so these can claim no "right of authorship" over us. That principle exists with our without the God(s?) of the bible, and/or any other.

Of course, nature red-in-tooth-and-claw doesn't seem to evidence these rights when they conflict with sustenance, or even fun, as in the case of cats toward their prey.

But the higher consciousness which marks us as human can either limitedly allow, or even transcend, this exception. Objectively the mouse may have a right to his life which the cat violates, but nature is not constructed that way and any attempt to make it so would obviously be laughable and disastrous.

Now what to say to humans who claim the same principle applies to their weaker human brethren...? Is the fact of being the same species enough to claim a different dynamic inherently applies...?

I don't know, and around in circles we go. Maybe we need the bible to settle it after all...?
But then we have the hack of "common" vs "Noble" blood and divine right to intellectually short-circuit that line of reasoning as well. We see what we wish to see. And so it goes.

Free Will

Whether we have God-given rights depends largely on if we believe God created us with free will to choose or reject Him, our future, our fate. Christian theologians seem to be somewhat conflicted on the subject of self-determination.

The Bible

tells us how God wishes us to live and treat others. However, he doesn't grant us any right, they are earned by our own deeds and those who best follow His laws are 'granted' praise by Him. Those who do things completely adverse of His laws, may seem to be praised, but not by God, but by his nemisis, Lucifer. A 'right' is created by man, not God. Our rights in the US were created by the Founders and are 'supposed to be' protected by the Constitution, against losing them. These rights were a balance of God's law and the concept of Liberty. I guess one could argue, God gave us rights through the Founders in the creation of the Constitution, but they are not directly 'God given rights'.

Dissagree.

The "founders" did NOT create rights. They acknowledged that they exist and pledged to protect them. That protection still exists. It is we who have strayed from the privilage of their protection.

One has to see the Constitution and the federal government in an international context. The peoples of the states are those that whose rights are protected. Those who are federal nationals, like us, are not members of the states' de jure bodies politic and therefore have no protected rights.

See David Robinson's comment below for the best answer to the OP I've read here so far.

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Rights and Abilities are Two different things.

Rights lead to blessings we receive when we keep the commandments. (See exodus 19). We can protect our Rights but not our wrongs. Because you have the Ability to Choose Wrong or that which is against the Laws of God you have to suffer the consequences of breaking those Laws. Choose the Right leads to eternally happiness/life/prosperity. Choosing to break the laws lead to eternal death/sadness. It's important to learn the laws, statutes and Judgments to know the difference. It can be boiled down to 2 commandments. Love God, Love your Neighbor as yourself.