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Wikileaks: Collateral Murder - Classified US Military Video Shows Indiscriminate Slaying of Dozens, Incl. Two Reuters Employees

WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

http://collateralmurder.com/

Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

Thanks go to RonPaulWillNeverDie and paul4won for the helping hand.

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Does anyone else believe

Does anyone else believe there's a chance that this information was released when it was on purpose?

You know, how they try to do certain rather unpopular things when most people are looking the other way. Like with trying to push the Cap & Trade law through when everyone in the world was thinking about Michael Jackson after he died.

What other big event or news is going on now which is not getting appropriate coverage due to being overshadowed by this? Maybe the gold/silver whistle blower story?

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Good thing not everyone here has a one track mind then...

...and that multiple issues are covered on this forum.

well said my friend

and look at this -
this video 4,803,261 views!
I was this morning riding a subway and couple of people were talking about this video!

Thank God for the internet!

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are you serious?

This video helps to stop the war by exposing crimes.
Wikileaks said they have many similar videos which they will be posting in the future.

I compare this campaign by Wikileaks to Mike Gravel's effort that helped end the Vietnam war.

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There was a time in America...

When there was a tax revolt over whiskey taxes....

And now, we can't even convince people to have a tax revolt over murder/mayhem. Even when the potential murder is brought to our door step (government's right to kill and torture citizens that they suspect of whatever).

We are all too afraid. I am not excluding myself from this criticism. I am apparently as cowardly as the rest of the country. This country, all of the people here, including myself, make me sick for our cowardice.

OctoBox has the right idea. Get off the grid, stop paying taxes and avoid jail at the same time. At some point, maybe someone will come up with specific action plans to make this work. My best idea so far is to open a small local retail shop that only sells *local* goods from the community. Things like soap, food, etc. Things that are easy to produce on an individual level. Not craft items, but real world, consistently needed items.

If the retail shop accepted a sort of barter, that would be ideal as well. Local community members bring in what they have to sell and trade that for store credits to purchase other people's goods. Kind of like a coop, but less ambitious in ways, and more ambitious in others.

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http://www.thephilosophyofliberty.com/

I'm pretty much on the same . . .

page as Octobox, and I don't consider myself a coward.

I am cautious, yes--

I wouldn't want my death to be meaningless--

you see, I have vulnerable people who can't defend themselves depending upon me (with my spouse)--

we are both needed for this 'job'--

I would see it being foolhardy of me to try to take on the elite by myself.

I want to be informed, so I come on here and read--

I do what I can when I can, but spouse and I are in survival mode already--

we've already lost a LOT--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Trying the same

When I do quotes now for Landscape maintenance and Tree work and am asked how much they will have to pay, I now also give the option of Bartering.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

I think this would only work with

Private individuals,If you did work for me I would have to have a receipt to write off for business related taxes.If you did more than 300 dollars worth I would be required to file a 1099 on the payments to you.at that point they would have this income in the system with your name on it.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

You have to pay the IRS

Like you should pay any mafia boss in the neighborhood. We can unelect our mafia boss and stop the extortion.

That is the way we do it.

Time to call for a Single Federal Tax = Head tax billed to the states.

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that depends.

if you took your business off grid you wouldn't need a tax write off anymore. however, your point is true if for other reasons you needed your business to have government involvement. it wouldn't work for everything right away but it would work for enough to get the ball rolling in the right direction. and I would argue that if you needed the government for your business to operate then you should find another line of work to stop supporting it.

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wolfe ?

The problem is I serve commercial customers that need a receipt themselves,they are very large corporations that are watched very close and cannot get out of the system.So I have no choice but to be included in the cycle.In turn I would be stupid to pay for something and not get an off the top write off. I like what I do,
I own a truck repair business with two locations,Everything is tracked including parts stock,My supplier's records alone would bust me.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Hmmm

Captain Jack Sparrow would disagree ;-)

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

They refuse to do business with me

If I dont sign a 1099,I may as well just shut my doors and fire my crews,What about them?they need the jobs.
Have a cure for this?

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

No I don't, Sorry

Have you looked into the possibility of finding a way for your employees to be sub contractors. each being their own private entity. The biggest advantage I have found that helps in the tree industry with this is eliminating the cost of workmans comp ins. In my field it is 40 cents on the dollar. Having just your own major medical ins. is a lot cheaper then the cost of comp ins. At least in the tree industry. Which is somewhat a little more unique to most for the Higher Risks of injury on the Job.

Please understand that I a very new at this. So I am surely not an expert on anything.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

All my employees are subcontracted

This has kind of been the way in this business for a long time,Mechanics are paid a percentage of the service done and then given a 1099,tax liability is their own.I have one for you though,I reduced my Workman comp by taking advantage of some credits that certain insurance companies sometimes offer.I get credits for covering the insurance companies rear and my own, by having contracts signed by my employees.
This is how you do it:
First you must cover every safety aspect with a written company safety policy,Have regular safety meetings and proper training on individual safety policies in writing,Include every little detail and include the words(I --- have been trained and understand this safety requirement that I am signing).
Have a signature from them on all these,They are contracts that if they injure themselves because they did not adhere to a written safety requirement,It lets you and the insurance company off the hook because they signed that they were trained not to do this and signed to that effect.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

Good Idea

This really should be standard practice. "Tailgate Meetings" we call them..Pointing out the Hazards for the day and making sure that all PPE is in present and in proper working order. Although having the piece of paper signed by each employee is key Legally. Where I can see this being a little more expensive up front is depending on the amount of safety training that is required initially and follow up's. Either way it is priceless and much more cost effective in the end. First and foremost I want a Safety first environment. Thx for the insights.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

jkinabru?

You can give the training yourself,The key is the contract signed stating that they have been trained and understand the safety policy and are agreeing to abide by this requirement that you have put forth.It might piss them off a little but when you catch them breaking policy you must write them up for violating the policy and have them sign it.These are proof that an individual has had disregard for safety in the past and inflicted injury on himself if he gets hurt.
P.S.In the garbage business we called them "tailgate" meetings also.Have a real training session and pay them for an hour and account for it once in awhile.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I offer alternatives as well

Actual money, silver and gold, are preferred forms of payment as far as I'm concerned.

Haven't tried the silver and gold

Have exchanged tree work for auto repairs, body work, carpentry, and the use of heavy equipment. I think I finally might have hooked myself up with a Doctor that is willing to trade me taking care of his trees for health care :-) Silver,gold and precious gems and collectibles are also options.

"I have found that being rich is not about having the most but about needing the least"

Empire

If it isn't already painfully obvious to everyone, there is no "war" going on, but there is an invasion, subjugation, and nation-building activity going on.

There never was any defined exit strategy, because there IS NO exit strategy. The "strategy" is to take over and never leave.
This was the PNAC plan to "project the power base" into central Asia. It was imperial from the word "go".

This is why we're never "winning". There is no "winning".
All there is, is occupation and nation-building.
The US gov't has failed in all its nation-building attempts, and it is desperate to try to make these ones "work". The idiots in DC don't even realize that they can't be successful at this. They are so puffed-up with their own glorified visions of themselves, that they think they can do anything to anybody.

If anybody "supports the troops", then they will do everything possible to get them out of there.
It's no good for them, it's no good for us, and it's no good for anybody in those other countries over there.
It's ALL bad.

Well said. A big clue should

Well said. A big clue should have been the $2 billion embassy that we built there as well as the 17 permanent military bases (or are there more now?).

We need to get our troops home.

The reallity is

that it has little to do with paying taxes. The government will print all it needs to re-distribute wealth for the war machine owners; even if we don't pay the taxes. The best we can do is just what we have been doing; help elect the right people and spread the word of liberty. This is what we have the power to do and slowly, but surely will get there.

The reality is that you're paying for it via taxation

What do you suppose would happen if enough people stopped paying? What if most people stopped paying? Do you have any idea how much new 'money' the federal government would have to create to replace that which they regularly extort? Do you have the slightest concept of what that would do to the value of the Federal Reserve Note? It would make them worthless and the wars wouldn't be able to continue.

But you go ahead and keep funding the government, telling yourself whatever lies you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better about continuing to supply killers and their tools for the empire.

How do you feel knowing that your tax money was used to kill those people in the video?

Keep paying your taxes. Those helicopters aren't cheap.

And neither is the ammo, fuel, and training for those pilots who so courageously protected liberty and freedom by gunning down those obvious terrorists.

Bitch all you want. But you'll keep paying for it, won't you?

Blackwater or U.S. Army?

I can't tell if this is a Blackwater sting to justify more money or an Army operation. Either way, accountability needs to be established. An unarmed populace may get respect in a court room. Do the Iraqi civilians/relatives have any legal recourse? Is a class action lawsuit possible? Whatever works here should work in Afghanistan or Pakistan.

"Be wary of those who know the truth. Align yourself with those who are questing for the truth." L. Gardner

Conspicuous Consumption?

Tomgram: Engelhardt, Numbers to Die For
Posted by Tom Engelhardt at 2:20pm, April 6, 2010.
[TomDispatch Extra: Today we’re offering the first TomCast audio interview not linked to a TomDispatch piece. In it, Jonathan Schell and I have a wide-ranging discussion of the war he covered in Vietnam, the Afghan War, and U.S. nuclear policy from the 1960s to the present. Schell has just written the Nation magazine cover story, “Reaching Zero,” and will appear with Dan Ellsberg and others this Thursday, April 8th, at 7 pm at the Ethical Culture School in New York City (2 West 64th Street), admission free, to explore “A World without Nuclear Weapons, Obama’s Vision, Our Mission.” To listen to the Schell TomCast, simply click here or, if you prefer to download it to your iPod, here. Tom]

Believe It or Not (2010 Imperial Edition)
U.S. War-Fighting Numbers to Knock Your Socks Off
By Tom Engelhardt

In my 1950s childhood, Ripley’s Believe It or Not was part of everyday life, a syndicated comics page feature where you could stumble upon such mind-boggling facts as: "If all the Chinese in the world were to march four abreast past a given point, they would never finish passing though they marched forever and forever.” Or if you were young and iconoclastic, you could chuckle over Mad magazine’s parody, “Ripup’s Believe It or Don’t!”

With our Afghan and Iraq wars on my mind, I’ve been wondering whether Ripley’s moment hasn’t returned. Here, for instance, are some figures offered in a Washington Post piece by Lieutenant General James H. Pillsbury, deputy commanding general of the U.S. Army Materiel Command, who is deeply involved in the “drawdown of the logistics operation in Iraq”: “There are... more than 341 facilities; 263,000 soldiers, Defense Department civilians and contractor employees; 83,000 containers; 42,000 vehicles; 3 million equipment items; and roughly $54 billion in assets that will ultimately be removed from Iraq.”

Admittedly, that list lacks the “believe it or not” tagline, but otherwise Ripley’s couldn’t have put it more staggeringly. And here’s Pillsbury’s Ripley-esque kicker: the American drawdown will be the "equivalent, in personnel terms alone, of relocating the entire population of Buffalo, New York."

When it comes to that slo-mo drawdown, all the numbers turn out to be staggering. They are also a reminder of just how the Pentagon has been fighting its wars in these last years -- like a compulsive shopper without a 12-step recovery program in sight. Whether it’s 3.1 million items of equipment, or 3 million, 2.8 million, or 1.5 million, whether 341 “facilities” (not including perhaps ten mega-bases which will still be operating in 2011 with tens of thousands of American soldiers, civilians, and private contractors working and living on them), or more than 350 forward operating facilities, or 290 bases are to be shut down, the numbers from Iraq are simply out of this world.

Those sorts of figures define the U.S. military in the Bush era -- and now Obama's -- as the most materiel-profligate war-making machine ever. Where armies once had baggage trains and camp followers, our camp followers now help plant our military in foreign soil, build its housing and defenses, and then supply it with vast quantities of food, water, fuel, and god knows what else. In this way, our troops carry not just packs on their backs, but a total, transplantable society right down to the PXs, massage parlors, food courts, and miniature golf courses. At Kandahar Air Base in Afghanistan, there was until recently a “boardwalk” that typically included a “Burger King, a Subway sandwich shop, three cafes, several general stores, a Cold Mountain Creamery, [and an] Oakley sunglasses outlet.” Atypically enough, however, a TGI Friday’s, which had just joined the line-up, was recently ordered shut down along with some of the other stores by Afghan war commander General Stanley McChrystal as inimical to the war effort.

In Ripley’s terms, if you were to put all the vehicles, equipment, and other materiel we managed to transport to Iraq and Afghanistan “four abreast,” they, too, might stretch a fair way around the planet. And wouldn’t that be an illustration worthy of the old Ripley’s cartoon -- all those coffee makers and port-a-potties and Internet cafes, even that imported sand which, if more widely known about, might change the phrase “taking coals to Newcastle” to “bringing sand to Iraq”?

For all the sand Iraq did have, from the point of view of the U.S. military it didn’t have the perfect type for making the miles of protective “blast walls” that became a common feature of the post-invasion landscape. So, according to Stephen Farrell of the New York Times, U.S. taxpayer dollars floated in boatloads of foreign sand from the United Arab Emirates and Qatar to create those 15-ton blast walls at $3,500 a pop. U.S. planners are now evidently wondering whether to ship some of the leftover walls thousands of miles by staggeringly roundabout routes to Afghanistan at a transportation cost of $15,000 each.

When it comes to the U.S. drawdown in Iraq and the build-up in Afghanistan, in fact, the numbers, any numbers, are little short of unbelievable.

* Believe it or not, for instance, U.S. commanders in our war zones have more than one billion congressionally mandated dollars a year at their disposal to spend on making “friends with local citizens and help[ing] struggling economies.” It’s all socked away in the Commander’s Emergency Response Program. Think of it as a local community-bribery account which, best of all, seems not to require the slightest accountability to Congress for where or how the money is spent.

* Believe it or not (small change department), the Pentagon is planning to spend an initial $50 million from a “$350 million Pentagon program designed to improve the counterterrorism operations of U.S. allies” on Croatia, Georgia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, all of whom, in the latest version of the Coalition of the Billing, just happen to have small numbers of troops deployed in Afghanistan. The backdrop for this is Canada’s decision to withdraw its combat forces from Afghanistan in 2011 and a fear in Washington that the larger European allies may threaten to bail as well. Think of that $50 million as a down payment on a state bribery program -- and the Pentagon is reportedly hoping to pry more money loose from Congress to pay off the smaller “allies” in a bigger way in the future.

* Believe it or not, the Defense Logistics Agency shipped 1.1 million hamburger patties to Afghanistan in the month of March 2010 (nearly doubling the March 2009 figure). Almost any number you might care to consider related to the Afghan War is similarly on the rise. By the fall, the number of American troops there will have nearly tripled since President Obama took office; American deaths in Afghanistan have doubled in the first months of 2010, while the number of wounded has tripled; insurgent roadside bomb (IED) attacks more than doubled in 2009 and are still rising; U.S. drone strikes almost doubled in 2009 and are on track to triple this year; and fuel deliveries to Afghanistan have nearly doubled, rising from 15 million gallons a month in March 2009 to 27 million this March. (Keep in mind that, by the time a gallon of gas has made it to U.S. troops in the field, its cost is estimated at up to $100.)

* Believe it or not, according to a recent report by the Pentagon inspector general, private contractor KBR, holding a $38 billion contract to provide the U.S. military with “a range of logistic services,” has cost Washington $21 million in “waste” on truck maintenance alone by billing for 12 hours of work when, on average, its employees were actually putting in 1.3 hours.

* Believe it or not, the State Department has paid another private contractor, Triple Canopy, $438 million since mid-2005 simply to guard the massive, 104-acre U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, the largest on the planet. That’s more than half the price tag to build the embassy, the running of which is expected to cost an estimated $1.8 billion dollars in 2010. Triple Canopy now has 1,800 employees dedicated to embassy protection in the Iraqi capital, mainly Ugandan and Peruvian security guards. At $736 million to build, the embassy itself is a numbers wonder (and has only recently had its sizeable playing field astroturfed – “the first artificial turf sports field in Iraq” -- also assumedly at taxpayer expense). Fans of Ripley-esque diplomatic gigantism should have no fears about the future either: the U.S. is now planning to build another “mother ship” of similar size and cost in Islamabad, Pakistan.

* Believe it or not, according to Nick Turse of TomDispatch.com, nearly 400 bases for U.S. troops, CIA operatives, special operations forces, NATO allies, and civilian contractors have already been constructed in Afghanistan, topping the base-building figures for Iraq by about 100 in a situation in which almost every bit of material has to be transported into the country. The base-building spree has yet to end.

* Believe it or not, according to the Washington Post, the Defense Department has awarded a contract worth up to $360 million to the son of an Afghan cabinet minister to transport U.S. military supplies through some of the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan -- and his company has no trucks. (He hires subcontractors who evidently pay off the Taliban as part of a large-scale protection racket that allows the supplies through unharmed.) This contract is, in turn, part of a $2.1 billion Host Nation Trucking contract whose recipients may be deeply involved in extortion and smuggling rackets, and over which the Pentagon reportedly exercises little oversight.

Believe it or not, the staggering logistics effort underway to transport part of the American way of war from Iraq to Afghanistan is now being compared by those involved to Hannibal (not Lecter) crossing the Alps with his cohort of battle elephants, or to that ancient conqueror of conquerors, Alexander the Great (“the largest building boom in Afghanistan since Alexander built Kandahar”). It has become commonplace as well to say, as President Obama did at Bagram Air Base on his recent six-hour Afghan drop-in, that the U.S. military is “the finest military in the history of the world,” or as his predecessor put it even more emphatically, “the greatest force for human liberation the world has ever known.”

The Ripley-esque numbers, however, tell a somewhat different story. If war were really a Believe It or Not matter, or victory lay in the number of hamburgers transported or the price of fuel consumed, the U.S. military would have been the winner long ago. After all, it may be the most product-profligate military with the heaviest “footprint” in history. Though it’s seldom thought strange (and rarely commented upon in the U.S.), the Pentagon practices war as a form of mass consumption and so, not surprisingly, bears a striking resemblance to the society it comes from. Like the Taliban, it carries its way of life to war on its back.

It’s striking, of course, that all this is happening at a moment when, domestically, small businesses can’t get loans and close to 10% of the population is officially out of work, while state governments are desperately scrabbling for every available dollar (and some that aren’t), even as they cut what would once have been considered basic services. In contrast, the Pentagon is fighting its distant wars as if American pockets had no bottoms, the national treasury had no limits, and there was quite literally no tomorrow.

And there’s one more small contrast to be made when it comes to the finest military in the history of the world: for all the private security guards, mountains of burgers, lakes of gasoline, miles of blast walls, and satchels of cash to pass out to the locals, it’s been remarkably unsuccessful in its pacification campaigns against some of the motliest forces of our time. The U.S. military has been fought to something like a draw by relatively modest-sized, relatively lightly armed minority insurgencies that don’t even pass muster when it comes to shooting straight.

Vast piles of money and vast quantities of materiel have been squandered; equipment by the boatload has been used up; lives have been wasted in profusion; and yet the winners of our wars might turn out to be Iran and China. The American way of war, unfortunately, has the numbers to die for, just not to live by.

Tom Engelhardt, co-founder of the American Empire Project, runs the Nation Institute's TomDispatch.com. He is the author of The End of Victory Culture, a history of the Cold War and beyond, as well as of a novel, The Last Days of Publishing. His latest book, The American Way of War (Haymarket Books), will be published in May. To catch a special TomCast audio interview in which Jonathan Schell and Engelhardt discuss war and nuclear weapons from the 1960s to late last night, simply click here or, if you prefer to download it to your iPod, here.

[Note on Sources: Let me offer a small series of bows to six websites I find invaluable for keeping up on America’s wars. Each is a regular morning stop on my tour of the Internet: Antiwar.com, a site full of surprises, which collects the most interesting reporting of the day on America’s wars and incursions; Juan Cole’s Informed Comment which, for years now, has provided an analytic framework for, and a brilliant running commentary on, American war policy in the Middle East; the War in Context whose canny editor, Paul Woodward, recently aptly termed the American war in Afghanistan “a war of indifference”; Asia Times, a high-quality online publication that provides regular overviews on the Middle East and Asia; Noah Shachtman’s Danger Room at Wired, a must-visit for the latest in U.S. military developments; and Katherine Tiedemann’s “Daily Brief” at the AfPak Channel which provides a daily summary of key mainstream reporting on the Afghan war.

In addition, special thanks go to Christopher Holmes, my eagle-eyed volunteer copyeditor in Tokyo who keeps TomDispatch remarkably error-free, week in, week out. His is a major labor of love and, even though I don’t say so often enough, couldn’t be more appreciated day in, day out!]

Copyright 2010 Tom Engelhardt

donvino

Business as usual, it seems...

"We had no reason to hold the video at [U.S. Central Command], nor did the higher headquarters in Iraq," Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a Central Command spokesman, told the AP in an e-mailed statement. "We're attempting to retrieve the video from the unit who did the investigation."

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

The next shoe to drop

will be:

AMY GOODMAN: Julian Assange, you have video of Afghanistan that you have yet to release?

JULIAN ASSANGE: Yes, that’s correct. We have a video of a May 2009 attack which killed ninety-seven in Afghanistan. We are still analyzing and assessing that information.

Keep 'em coming. Time to shut these immoral, unconstitutional wars down.

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FoxNews attempts debuking job on video. What did you expect?

Military Raises Questions About Credibility of Leaked Iraq Shooting Video
By Justin Fishel
April 07, 2010

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The problem, according to many who have viewed the video, is that WikiLeaks appears to have done selective editing that tells only half the story. For instance, the Web site takes special care to slow down the video and identify the two photographers and the cameras they are carrying.
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However, the Web site does not slow down the video to show that at least one man in that group was carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a clearly visible weapon that runs nearly two-thirds the length of his body.

WikiLeaks also does not point out that at least one man was carrying an AK-47 assault rifle. He is seen swinging the weapon below his waist while standing next to the man holding the RPG.

"It gives you a limited perspective," said Capt. Jack Hanzlik, a spokesman for U.S. Central Command. "The video only tells you a portion of the activity that was happening that day. Just from watching that video, people cannot understand the complex battles that occurred. You are seeing only a very narrow picture of the events."

According to Assange the assault on the van was the most damning piece of video evidence. "I'm very skeptical that was done under the rules of engagement; and if it was legal, the rules of engagement must be changed," Assange said.

So far the rules of engagement in Iraq have not changed.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/07/military-raises-q...