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Wikileaks: Collateral Murder - Classified US Military Video Shows Indiscriminate Slaying of Dozens, Incl. Two Reuters Employees

WikiLeaks has released a classified US military video depicting the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff.

http://collateralmurder.com/

Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.

Thanks go to RonPaulWillNeverDie and paul4won for the helping hand.



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So you have the power to sum a man up by one post

given that you are reading that post through "rose-colored" glasses and emotionalism?

That's an incredible gift you have.

Tell me what my "true colors" are -- be frank, don't skirt the accusation with clever phrasing never proving your point, demonstrate my digress from compassion.

Don't association "all" soldiers with "rape" -- don't associate me with "rape" that is a CHEAP debate tactic.

Don't associate me (who proposes "community-economics") as being an "elitist" (hahahahahahaha).

There is nothing on any post I've ever posted or thread I've written to suggest I'm in favor of "illegal wars"

You are just attacking me for sport, with no concrete evidence to support your claim; just supposition and out-of-context interpretations.

War is disgusting. :(

War is disgusting. :(

Shame

on whoever banned the soldier. And shame on all for the harsh attacks and trying to scapegoat the troops. ALL Americans bear the responsibility for what is going on in the war and for allowing it to continue. If crimes have been committed, we are all accomplices.

nope.. you are wrong.. those

nope.. you are wrong.. those "troops" knew those people were not armed. any moron, even a bling man could see those people were not carrying arms. At one time the US army put human life above everything else. As someone said above its like a video game now. You are supposed to know beyond a shadow of a doubt before you pull the trigger wther the "enemy" combatant is armed or not.
And again, if there was a rifle or 2 in the crowd it makes it ok to kill the other 10 unarmed? I Love the US military. The US Needs a strong military. They should all be within our borders. But what these people did was dead wrong. They should pay the price for what they did. Gee I wonder how many more terrorists are going to be made from this action? Look for one of those children to be a suicide bomber in the next 20 years.

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

"Any moron even a blind man "

could also see that see that incidents like this are inevitable when you send tens of thousands of heavily armed troops to another country. So by that standard everyone who supports the war by paying their taxes or by voting to elect people who break the law by continuing the war should also "pay the price."

No?

Well Said!!

"Look for one of those children to be a suicide bomber.."

by de$ign: all part of THE PLAN to keep that war machine grea$ed for future profit$.

Nobody is scapegoating the troops

We are judging the actions of performed by some murderers within the troops. The specific guys in this video MUST be tried for war crimes. If we don't do it, there is no rule of law. What is a society that condons murder and commit war crimes? what are we, if there is no justice for those who were murdered by a group of thugs wearing a uniform. My brother is a Marine, My father was in WW2 and they would never do something like this.

Never ever

claim to know what anybody might do in extreme impossible circumstances like war. You can't know. Nobody can.

In the law a person who simply drives a getaway car for a bank robber who committed murder is also considered guilty of murder. So if you want to prosecute the soldiers, shouldn't you also prosecute everyone who pays the taxes that sent them there? Or everyone who voted to elect leaders who ignore the law and refuse to end the war?

Unless your answer to these questions is yes, you are scapegoating the troops.

As far as I know, the van was not

related to any terrorist/fighter (call 'em what you want).

It was (I think) a rental van (private owner) called by a one of the journalists who wasn't immediately killed.

In the moderator's defense,

the soldier did post a comment saying "Dr. Paul is just another Kucinich-like kook!" and "He's (Ron Paul) a conspiracy nut, IMHO." and he did get a warning ahead of time he may be banned.

I told my husband about this

I told my husband about this video.
He's a Vietnam Veteran.

He said he wished he could have some "alone time" with the shooter.

And that in all wars those types show up.

I hope they are still a minority.

True

This is expected in armed conflicts. I would imagine is worst than this, but it is the duty of the commanding officers to take appropriate action when this happens to minimize the behavior.

Unfortunately...

There were atleast 3 or more people in the decision making process to kill those people (and children).

This is Standard Operating Procedure....I did not detect any sense that this was any unusual situation.

Don't say that I will depart

Don't say that I will depart tomorrow --
even today I am still arriving.

Look deeply: every second I am arriving
to be a bud on a Spring branch,
to be a tiny bird, with still-fragile wings,
learning to sing in my new nest,
to be a caterpillar in the heart of a flower,
to be a jewel hiding itself in a stone.

I still arrive, in order to laugh and to cry,
to fear and to hope.

The rhythm of my heart is the birth and death
of all that is alive.

I am the mayfly metamorphosing
on the surface of the river.
And I am the bird
that swoops down to swallow the mayfly.

I am the frog swimming happily
in the clear water of a pond.
And I am the grass-snake
that silently feeds itself on the frog.

I am the child in Uganda, all skin and bones,
my legs as thin as bamboo sticks.
And I am the arms merchant,
selling deadly weapons to Uganda.

I am the twelve-year-old girl,
refugee on a small boat,
who throws herself into the ocean
after being raped by a sea pirate.
And I am the pirate,
my heart not yet capable
of seeing and loving.

I am a member of the politburo,
with plenty of power in my hands.
And I am the man who has to pay
his "debt of blood" to my people
dying slowly in a forced-labor camp.

My joy is like Spring, so warm
it makes flowers bloom all over the Earth.
My pain is like a river of tears,
so vast it fills the four oceans.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can hear all my cries and my laughter at once,
so I can see that my joy and pain are one.

Please call me by my true names,
so I can wake up,
and so the door of my heart
can be left open,
the door of compassion.

-Thich Nhat Hanh

Question?

I have no idea about helicopters and am mostly ignorant of their workings. I have never been in one or seen one up close, though I think they are one heck of a piece of equipment. Must take a lot of time to upkeep them.

Anyway, I would like to ask the military people here if you could please confirm whether or not this video was taken from inside an Apache?

Thank you.

donvino

It is most

likely an Apache {Army} or Cobra {Marines}. I lean towards Apache because:

1. the video says so
2. most Marines where to the west of Iraq in the sunni triangle area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-1_Cobra
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AH-64_Apache

Hope this helps.

Here is my take from a Marine who

was in Iraq...I can attest that one can become very desensitized and numb to many things around you. I felt this way after 2 months in theater. Even if I gave them the first volley of 30mm fire, there is no real justification for the shooting on the van. I perhaps saw maybe an AK or two but no rpg. The people were not even engaging anyone.

In the grand scheme of things, the pilots should have never been there in the first place. I am surprised they even used the 30mm cannon and not the rockets to take them all out in once. I wonder why {though we will never know exactly what the apache was armed with}?

The apache says there were 5 to 6 people with AK-47s, not even close, maybe two. The strange thing is that he only identifies one in the beginning, perhaps fog of war? The guy at the corner with his camera looks nothing like an rpg as I have seen them up close but of course I am playing armchair qb...just so sad in every way..almost made me cry when I saw this.

In the end, nothing will change. More people in that region will see this and develop more attacks on our troops and the vicious cycle continues for another day....

That is

exactly the way I see it. I don't see an end to this conflict. The more people get treated this way, the more will be willing to take arms. Sad reallity.

Truth.....

Wow....this video is exactly the kind of thing people need to see. This is real. Time to pay attention to what our country is doing.

http://electricheadroom.blogspot.com/

PUHLEESE!!!!

I am as anti war as anybody..but we should learn to recognize PROPAGANDA (media untruths) when we see it! I wouldn't allow fox to get away with, this nor will I allow this site....Pure BS plain and simple..please move on to reality Folks..Lord knows we have enough REAL reasons to be against the Empire State!

You think the video is faked?

None of it ever happened? I'm confused.

Why the outrage?

This happens every single day in the two countries we are occupying. We don't need videos to prove it to us. Let's just count the dead. 1,000,000 Iraqis.

That's what you are contributing to on April 15th. Enjoy it America, you paid for it.

The kids committing these atrocities are joining your local police force every day. It is the only thing they are qualified for when they get back to this unemployed nation.

Chickens are coming home to roost in the empire...it will manifest in atrocities at home. You can't kill like this and live a normal life afterwards. Or can you? I would be curious to hear from Vietnam vets who killed for joy and returned home to a normal life. If you are out there tell us how (or if) you changed when you got back.

Gotta learn to love people...and quit funding this war.

I was in Vietnam (Pleiku `66~`67). The first thing I did when I

returned was to burn my uniforms in the back yard. I did not see anything as gruesome as shown on the video.
I just could not understand why we were over there killing those beautiful little people. They were never a threat to our nation. We were the INVADERS,as always.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

PleiKu

Howdy. My dad went through Pleiku and was in the Battle of Chu Moor Mountain. 4th infantry. Wounded just after Tet in 1968.

Were you army?

letmapeoplego: I train soldiers and cops in conscious-sleep

and I hear their stories.

You are right -- in regard to not being "normal"

However, you'd be suprised at how well they can adjust.

99% of all Cop civilian encounters do not result in violence; probably 99.5%.

The "disconnect" you are talking about is a lot closer to home then to just lay it on the heads of soldiers.

You are 100% correct though, the chickens are coming home to roost, it's not their transition into police work -- which is less than you think; it's soldiers coming home to a broken housing market, destroyed purchasing power, no PTSD care, and no jobs, that's the powder keg.

15% of our Homeless are Veterans of American Wars

According to the VA Hospital and Rand Corp by 2015 50% of our Homeless will be Veterans of American Wars

Thank you Octobox

We have a mess on our hands for sure.

Also, tough to look at but see the following video, we need to remind ourselves that we are responsible:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UIBWArkqNA

I worry as well about the joy expressed by these soldiers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D143VqzP228

Anybody have a link to the video of the US soldiers laughing as British soldiers torture those kids?

Seriously,

wtf? I wish that video had over 2 mil views.