King World News Drops Another Bombshell In What Could Be the Largest Fraud In History
When will the MSM pick up on the story?
This time Eric King interviews Adrian Douglas, and Harvey & Lenny Organ. Harvey Organ testified at the CFTC Public hearings on Precious Metals on March 25 and was assisted by Adrian Douglas.
In this interview the first hand testimony of Harvey Organ and his son Lenny is presented of their experience in visiting the only bullion bank vault in Canada, the vault of ScotiaMocatta, and not only finding that their bullion was not there but that the vault was practically empty. His repeated complaints to the CFTC were responsible for him being invited to testify at the recent hearings. Following on the heels of the bombshell revelation that the LBMA sells 100 times the amount of bullion that it actually has, this latest revelation is equally disturbing for investors but indicates that the potential price appreciation of the REAL PHYSICAL precious metals is mind-bogglingly big when the defaults start to happen.
Listen to the interview at: KING WORLD NEWS
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Seriously I dont know if this is true
When I heard that news went to the Scotia Bank in Montreal and bought 20 onze of silver, I went back today and bought another 20 onz. I didnt ask specifcic question, but I didnt have any problem getting my silver. The only thing maybe was that there was no 20 onz bar and only 10 onz bars.
If you are going to keep
If you are going to keep pushing gold on DailyPaul like a pimp, you need to disclose that you have large gold holdings, or if your business is in the gold trade. I've learned by the frequency and tone of a number of posters here that they are deeply linked to gold (and other precious metals). Full disclosure is a must because "you" are attempting to manipulate others into buying and selling.
Support freedom and liberty candidates in 2012... Ron Paul... Gary Johnson...
if you are "manipulated" into
if you are "manipulated" into buying anything you are a fool. Look at the facts then make your own decision.
The problem is, what are facts and what are not facts.
The Amount of Gold and silver I own is not enough to move the market one way or the other. The amount of people on the daily paul with what could be bought by 500 people is not enough to move the market one way or the other, It is the point of telling people where to go to get the information that could change peoples financial lives for the good for the rest of their lives. My business has nothing to do with the gold trade like mr. below.. you see he has 300 million in trust at scotia bank.. so ofcourse he has skin in the game.. when this thing blows up and he can't get his metal he is for sure going ton try to sooth people so he can get his out first. lol as if we don't see the game being played.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Refute Gresham's law
Gresham's law is commonly stated: "Bad money drives out good", but more accurately stated: "Bad money drives out good under legal tender laws"
Spend your money!
Give it to the poor in exchange for goods and services.
Poor people spend money which eventually returns to you in exchange for your labor.
Rich people bury their talents, hang gold around their necks or worse yet, instead of spending money they lend it to enslave others.
grant
This, like any other collectivist judgement
of groups of peaceful people, seems emotional rather than well-considered.
Only if an individual accrues enough capital can he/she begin entrepreneurship -- especially in this time of tight credit and regulation which raises the entrance bar very high indeed. It is pure prejudice, fed by Big Government propaganda, to believe anyone who is "rich" will only "bury their talents, hang gold around their necks or ... enslave others."
Nonsense. that's a much more accurate description of government monopolists and bureaucrats.
Class Act
Elegant lesson in recognizing a classic slip into the class warfare fallacy which is always in service of only the political class.
Some Action,,, Here Come The First Law Suits:
Please click on the link:
http://silverstockreport.com/2010/doj.html
To the US Department of Justice!
(The World's Biggest Fraud!)
Silver Stock Report
by Jason Hommel, April 8th, 2010
antitrust.complaints@usdoj.gov
beesting
throughout history.. All
throughout history.. All manipulations have ended,
and ended VERY BADLY for the manipulators. That is a fact.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
rebel, The way metals are increasing, I believe you.
Metal Bid Ask
Gold $1,163.20 $1,164.20 up $9.30
Silver $18.40 $18.45 up $0.29
Platinum $1,720.40 $1,730.40 up $10.30
Palladium $511.00 $516.00 up $9.50
Updated:4/9/2010 10:20:54 AM CST
Interview is completely Inaccurate and WRONG!
Let me first say, Comex is a fraud, Yes the Usual Suspects (Goldman, J.P Morgan) are short huge Gold and Silver contracts) Yes PM markets are manipulated.
However, I have been to the vault at Bank of Nova Scotia in Toronto as little as a months ago. It is far from empty. They had to expand the vault and are expanding it again. The floors are piled with skids of silver. The walls are full of cabinets full of gold bullion. The Central Fund of Canada does not keep their metal at Scotia. It is held with CIBC. Having said this I would not buy Bank Certs or any other form of paper proxy. The difference between allocated and unallocated gold is crucial to understanding how this proxies and bullion banks operate.
really.. so Lenny is a liar?
really.. so Lenny is a liar?
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Liar who knows mistaken for sure
I was there a month ago......We have over 300 million in bullion stored in the vault...they are our custodian...
That is in one cabinet....the walls are full of these cabinets....the floor is piled with skids and skids of silver....
The Latest Gold Fraud
The Latest Gold Fraud Bombshell: Canada's Only Bullion Bank Gold Vault Is Practically Empty
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/07/2010 10:30 -0500
Bank Run Commodity Futures Trading Commission Hong Kong Morgan Stanley Precious Metals
Continuing on the trail of exposing what is rapidly becoming one of the largest frauds in commodity markets history is the most recent interview by Eric King with GATA's Adrian Douglas, Harvey Orgen (who recently testified before the CFTC hearing) and his son, Lenny, in which the two discuss their visit to the only bullion bank vault in Canada, that of ScotiaMocatta, located at 40 King Street West in Toronto, and find the vault is practically empty. This is a relevant segue to a class action lawsuit filed against Morgan Stanley, which was settled out of court, in which it was alleged that Morgan Stanley told clients it was selling them precious metals that they would own in full and that the company would store, yet even despite charging storage fees was not in actual possession of the bullion. It appears that this kind of lack of physical holdings by all who claim to have gold in storage, is pervasive as the actual gold globally is held primarily in paper or electronic form. Lenny Organ who was the person to enter the vault of ScotiaMocatta, says "What shocked me was how little gold and silver they actually had." Lenny describes exactly how much (or little as the case may be) silver was available - roughly 60,000 ounces. As for gold - 210 400 oz bars, 4,000 maples, 500 eagles, 10 kilo bars, 10 one kilogram pieces of gold nugget form, which Adrian Douglas calculates as being $100 million worth, which is just one tenth of what the Royal Mint of Canada sold in 2008, or over $1 billion worth of gold. As Orgen concludes: "The game ends when the people who own all these paper obligations say enough and take physical delivery, and that's when the mess will occur."
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/latest-gold-fraud-bombshell...
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Completely False
Paper gold is a ponzi...that is why we don't own any...
Vault is full, not empty....Billions there....As if Scotia would let this guy in to the vault to show him how empty it is......We have over 300 million in one cabinet...serial numbers, weight, purity, refiner, tracked and audited.....
so you don't have a problem
so you don't have a problem when they lease it out?
also why not get a picture of this place just busting at the edges with so much gold and silver that they can't hold it all in!
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Or
"also why not get a picture of this place just busting at the edges with so much gold and silver that they can't hold it all in!"
How about a lawsuit? Legal action...Hint Hint.
Allocated
They can't lease allocated gold out. It is also exclusively written in our contract. I am not saying they don't lease gold out. The only way to insure wealth is physical bullion. I agree with everything GATA and others say about manipulation and comex....
But they are simply wrong on Scotia having an empty vault. It isn't I was just there. Allocated gold is unencumbered and not part of the Banks assets. Unlike Certs. They simply act as custodian.
Side Show Barkers Announcing Big Top
I thought I'd post an acknowledgment thanking Jeff and Sierra/Rebel for their improved bantering fun and games. By remaining entertaining they are helping to bring consideration to a topic requiring urgent, but never breathless, attention.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/130418#comment-1399290
This comment of Jeff's deserves to be underscored.
" ... we need everyone we can get ... [yet] ... the intelligent people that are on this board, don't need you, me, or anyone else to make their decisions for them."
So ...
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/85300
Let's each bring our best game.
;-)
" ... we need everyone we can
" ... we need everyone we can get ... [yet] ... the intelligent people that are on this board, don't need you, me, or anyone else to make their decisions for them."
so how many of you knew about Ted Butler and his claims of silver manipulation 3 years ago when I brought it up? the problem you have here is a guy who has no clue, had no clue and will never have a clue, even when the evidense is overwhelming. With ovewhelming evidence, the fool still denies the facts.
Anyone who calls Gold a fiat currency has no idea what side is up or down? For some reason there are 2 or 3 people on the daily paul who just absolutly hate gold and silver. Why? I don't know. this is why you need people to help you make a decision. Doesn't matter if you are intelligent or not. YOU NEED THE FACTS.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
You Win the Paul Rever Award
Now go find something else to bark about....lol If a want a parrot I'll buy one.
that was really intelligent..
that was really intelligent.. mr. gold is a fiat currency..
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Here we go with more misinformation rebelsoul
Here we go with more misinformation. A catchy title designed get reader to consider growing and garden and becoming more energy self sufficient from 2008.
But instead of taking the title out of context, why not post a link rebelsoul? Gotcha!
Gold is Fiat Money too?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/55303
If anyone is really interested they can find out what a SPIN-DOCTOR you really are. Let the sun shine in ! ...lol
This has been brewing for some time
Look at the date on this article: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_2004_March_29...
Nice find
Though all things come to an end.
Eventually the grease runs out.
I don´t know what will happen, but I am prepared.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
/Mike
Front Fell Off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg
Jim, The following is from a
Jim,
The following is from a diligent client of mine who went to the Toronto seminar hosted by you in February.
Regards,
CIGA JB Slear
JB,
I was able to go to Toronto this past Thursday to attend a presentation by Mr. Sinclair to address what is currently going on in the world, including finances of course, which is his specialty. I regard him as one of the premier authorities on gold and currencies in the world, and as such value his opinion highly. I took copious amounts of notes, and tried, to the best of my ability to record precisely what he said and what he meant and pass them along to you all to make what you will of them, and to take whatever action you feel appropriate in your personal situation. After hearing him live, there is no question that what you read on the website is exactly what he thinks and sees going on. 50 years of experience in the investment world, at all levels does count for something. You decide what. The notes are in the order things were presented, including an hour and a half question and answer where Jim fielded all questions from the folks that were there. Some themes are repeated for emphasis. I recorded them as they came.
1. Get a copy, if possible, of the BBC movie, "The Last Days of Lehman Brothers" it is exactly what occurred. They were flushed and allowed to go down. Those that did so made billions.
2. The same people that sold Greece the products to hide the true condition of their finances ratted them out and are hugely short of Greek debt at this time.
3. The more these people win at what they do, the more powerful they become.
4. The failure of Lehman set off the bankruptcy(s) that allowed government money (your money) to flow to large institutions, who were the winners on the bet.
5. The next phase of problems will come about because of a loss of confidence in currencies themselves.
6. Regulators are totally ineffectual in dealing with what is occurring.
7. If we have a failure of Greek debt it will be catastrophic and you and I will pay. If Greece does not fail, we will have money printing (quantitative easing is the buzz word) to infinity.
8. China is actively seeking control of the resources of the world, all JSMineset speculation on this has far exceeded what was postulated.
9. With the incredible bonuses being paid to Wall Street executives, you have to know it is there last lick of the cone. They know profits are not real.
10. To balance the US balance sheet, gold would have to go to insane numbers. The mechanism is in place to drive gold to incredible numbers.
11. Credit default swaps are being used as the hammer to destroy nations. They are doing this by shorting sovereign debt, then using the media to bring about the profit of their position (ie calling nations PIIGS – this isn’t flattering and does not inspire confidence, causing people to stay away). The players doing this have no conscience, are oblivious to the side effects, are power crazed, and believe they are gods. Sovereign debt is the next bomb to implode.
12. The only currency that will sustain what is coming is gold.
13. We are headed for a one world currency with a central bank of central banks. The world is going to change dramatically in possibly as little as two months.
14. The individual states in the US, which are bankrupt in many cases, will be attacked next. Big money is already hugely short of state debt. Ultimately this will take down the US dollar as well.
15. A one world government is coming.
16. Hyperinflation is a loss of confidence in paper currency.
17. Gold is money without liability on the other side. It stands alone. Make your balance sheet as good as it can be.
18. If Greece goes (is flushed and not bailed out), then the whole world changes, perhaps overnight. Look for 200 dollar swings in the gold price. Because the "dark side" (those who are in control of this) are smarter than you are, add to your positions in gold on reactions. Gold is an insurance policy.
19. China will rule the world. Friends of China will benefit from that. China’s interest in Africa and its treasure chest of mineral wealth isn’t an accident.
20. Yuan denominated paper, if one can get it, might be a place to be with some of your investment portfolio.
21. Equity markets may in fact go up due to a Weimar effect. All that money created from nothing finds its way into the stock markets of the world.
22. He stressed simplicity in your personal life. Be focused, balanced, and go back to basics. This is not a time to get fancy.
23. There will be no end to naked shorting by the players. The real game is destroying nations, countries (think Dubai, Iceland…)
24. He feels the flushing is in fact deliberate. If Greece does in fact go down, it will definitely be deliberate.
25. Gold’s window is still open here because those that know what is coming are still accumulating. Expect it to be closed by year end. That means if you don’t have any, don’t expect to be able to get any.
26. Hold any stocks you happen to own in certificate form in your hand, and don’t lose the certificate. If you are a stock player, check out true custodial accounts. Make certain that your holdings are in fact yours and NOT on the books of the bank.
27. A question was asked: If I had a million Canadian dollars to invest right now, where might I put that? The answer was 1/3 into gold bullion, held close, 1/3 in both Canadian Tbills and Swiss Franc’s, and the remaining 1/3 into what you do best.
28. Major financial houses today are acting like countries. Greece does not control its destiny, it is in the hands of those houses which become stronger with each situation they take down.
29. Expect mining company consolidations to greatly accelerate.
30. The Canadian dollar is very much a wild card. It may rise nicely, because it and Canada generally have remained conservative as opposed to other far more leveraged approaches. Canada is currently sitting in the cat bird seat, and it’s not really helping Canada because of our export based economy.
31. The number to watch on the Euro is 1.29 against the US dollar. Should it go lower, the Euro is in serious trouble.
32. The US has no strength for geopolitical disruptions at this time. It’s a house of cards that could come down at any time.
33. Keep it simple! Back to basics.!
34. The Asian and the Polish crisis were precursors to taking down the Euro. If the Euro is torched, the pound and dollar are next. As a side note, Jim Rogers feels the British pound is months or possibly weeks away from being heavily attacked once again. This is my comment, not Jim Sinclair’s. Look for the pattern here.
35. Money (the wealth of the world) has been concentrated into a very few hands. They are currently only interested in tearing down. There is no interest in creating, only destroying. China is building up. Algorithms (computer modeling and trading) are being used to destroy.
36. Gold stocks should leverage 2 to 5 times a bullion position.
Greetings Jim!
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
How Bear Stearns and Lehman went down
How Bear Stearns and Lehman went down :
Naked Short Selling. And BTW it was no accident.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1873796856729853096...
The naked short sellers took down both brokerages houses then bought them up for pennies on the dollar with taxpayer borrowed dollars. One way to take out the competition.
I guess if you can blow up the confidence in gold in silver before some of the fiat currencies goes, people may question gold and silver. Another way to take out the competition and set us up for a world fiat currency.
The difference is... physical
The difference is... physical gold or silver has no debt or other liability. if you think confidence in gold and silver is going blow up you are crazy. Gold and silver has been MONEY since the beginning of mans recorded history. I also see you are not following who is buying all the gold? A world fiat currency? yes I agree. there is no way tho that gold and silver will go to little or no value.
“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul
Gold or silver has no debt or other liability.?
I never said gold or silver would go to little or no value. But off the top of my head I can think of a few ways naked short selling and fails to deliver could hurt the confidence in the PM markets in general, and create a potential perceived liability for physical holders.
1. The prime broker naked short (or allow others to) sell both the gold and silver ETFs and fail to deliver ( basically counterfeiting the EFT shares). ( this is probably the next smoking gun to look for )
2. Secondly, if any of the metals exchanges, shut down or blow up with a run on the exchange. Rest assured counterfeiting of the physical metal will become a problem. Especially for gold. But depending on its spot price at the time, silver could also be attacked.
3. Naked short selling and fails to deliver could attack the mining stocks, making it difficult to raise capital for operations. In the worst case, those same short players could offer financing based on future production ONLY. That would lock in low prices for years to come. In fact that is what got GATA started in the first place, Barrick's forward contract financing. Which effectively held gold prices down for years.
My point is not to underestimate the people you are up against. Nothing is a foregone conclusion but our own death someday.
Physical gold/silver has no "counterparty risk".
That's what rebelsoul is saying. The same cannot be said of "paper gold".
Then what do you call failure to deliver?
Then what do you call failure to deliver?