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A Modest Proposal For Moderation: Consolidation Of Silliness!

The satire is not found here, but in the emphatically titled cartoon threads started by Jackie and Dunlap type distraction trolls, bumped by tag team buddies and tounge-in-cheek snarkers, along with conscientious objectors, who then by their attention just feed the fraudsters inadvertently helping fools and psyops achieve the goal of clogging our boards with hyperbolic smoke which obscures the real fires raging.

Ironically, I am calling for moderators to be less moderate in allowing such titles to proliferate.
Pull them together as ' Paper Chase Thread', for example. Or, ' Brave New World For Patriot's Thread'.
Moderators -- you decide if you will allow all caps and twenty exclamations in the title. When these goofs begin littering other threads with impertinate questions like: " Isn't this just like Brave World Paper Chasing?" -- Don't strike the valid exchange by deleting content -- move the off topic or inciting post.

Valid discussion will work its way out of this hole without destruction of content. Disputes about title can be part of the discussion within pigeon holed threads until a value judgment neutral consensus emerges.

My hope would be this approach would take some of the wind out of the sail of these maurauding blowhards who presume to storm our decks to cut our throats.

[ Real DPers: Please consolidate snark and calling out here under this thread so as not to proliferate bumps on troll threads. ]



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I'll second that...

almost to the point where I stop by more by habit then desire. If the direction of this forum is not the direction of the movement...then the end is near !

The stupid and forever repeated posts to waste the time and energy of the movement...the infantile comments that make the site and the movement look "shallow". Such a bummer...and for NO reason !

I ask...who stands to benefit by allowing the "swarm" of trolls to freely operate on DP ? Is the goal to get more members...visits...clicks etc. ? If so...shame on you !!!

Discover Costa Rica

The members ARE growing

and I find tons of worthwhile information on here, in fact I have to come back often the information and discussion is first rate. Sometimes things get heated but that is when I learn about a different perspective. Don't click what you don't like.

Prepare & Share the Message of Freedom through Positive-Peaceful-Activism.

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

' Who will guard the Guardians?'

Here, I'm not directly referencing the immodest self promoting, tag team bumping, paper pushing 'Guardians' of emphatic topic titles, and ostensible moderator imprimatur.

For a classical lesson in paradoxical satire behind the ignobility of 'noble lies', see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_custodiet_ipsos_custodes%3F

The irony: We better be on guard, ourselves.

Agreed with this one.

Long time DP'er now a lurker (check my post history) and I stopped interacting because the posts are ridiculous and impossible to follow. I come to get the front page and occasionally a title on the right. But I would probably participate more and interact if there were ways to instantly have substantive policy/strategy conversation quickly. Just a thought.

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austinpetersen.com

I have to agree with much of what you say

as a long time DP'er and part time lurker...I also feel like a certain sense of metal maturity has been lost around here for quite some time now. I still love to come here for information/links but don't think the DP will be what it once was again, until we get closer to the "elections".... it could also be said that the DP is what we make of it and that it's people like us need to speak up more...

We May Disagree ...

[ ... but then, that's the point of forums that aspire to be open ... I shouldn't have to conform to agreeablity]. ;-)

My suggestion was designed to address our apparent mutual goal of open, genuine dialog.

But here's the rub: I would like to see some cheerleading ... political polling updates ... money bomb ... and even classic left/right hot button issue polemics consigned to one thread at a time as they emerge.

I think this would facilitate discussion. Even topics in which I am greatly interested, are difficult to follow when multiple threads proliferate. It should be the function of moderators to pull them together, without making content based value judgments, and IMPORTANTLY without deleting content because exchanges have become cluttered, contentious or cumbersome.

Please consult the TROLLS TECHNIQUES info reprised for study. The trolls have been gaming our board and have provoked ...

CONTROLED DEMOLTION

They have succeeded in chasing away cutting edge content, conscientious lurkers and intelligent, provocative posters .... AND THAT WAS THEIR CONTRIVED DESIGN.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/130626#comment-1398447

Mad Tea Party
`Have some wine,' the March Hare said in an encouraging tone.
Alice looked all round the table, but there was nothing on it but tea. `I don't see any wine,' she remarked.
`There isn't any,' said the March Hare.
`Then it wasn't very civil of you to offer it,' said Alice angrily.
`It wasn't very civil of you to sit down without being invited,' said the March Hare.
`I didn't know it was your table,' said Alice; `it's laid for a great many more than three.'

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/130689

In my** MODEST !!!!! opinion, however impolitic, communication and such matters of principle are not tangential to our mission.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/50208

The policy/strategy conversation is a good idea

maybe a separate forum could be created. I would like to partake.

I would also say that this is almost a "leaderless resistence". This Movement is great because of it. I know, I know, that RP is the "leader" but otherwise their is nothing below him.

The reason people like the DP is because it is like a "free for all". That is why I like it as well.

My problems are different than yours but I agree with your sentiment. The DP is not structured for those who don't have time to browse the site and respond. I wish it was different but I see no alternative.

I would recommend either going over to RP forums or taking part in the DP, and posting your own topics that you would like to discuss.

The DP is kinda like voting. Barely anyone posts, so that makes their posts that more influential towards the direction of their political/personal beliefs, pet issues,etc.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Rules Of Engagement

[ May I suggest your allusion to voting is particularly apt in this context -- How's that experience with the political process been working out for you so far? ... Think: Fox News.]

Please take this opportunity to study the troll techniques post in another spot on this thread, and these methods of disinformation and suppression :

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/68785

Don't let them take us off our game by playing on their field.

As for policy and strategy --

Remember who we are dealing with, and what's at stake ... Think: WACO.

To be honest Liberte

I have been here for over a couple years now and I have not seen a troll. A few individuals were suspect trolls to me, but that's all.

On the DP, trolls are those who did not commit fully to the groupthink mentality that went on and goes on.
If there was a controversial topic, people responded by saying the other side of the argument were "trolls". I have been surprised over time by the lack of outsiders or trolls, or just bored people posting on the DP. I'm surprised that they aren't all over the DP. My guess, is that we are an annoyance now,not considered a real threat, so the DP is not worth the effort. I don't know.

Please give a name of an old troll on the DP. There has never been a "proof" given of this or anything.

I am being completely honest with my opinion. If you would like to discuss this topic further,please respond. My

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Form Over Content

Taking Things At Face Value ... ( but sometimes legitimate GUARDIANS need to pause, and look, allowing others also to look, below the surface).

[ Moderators -- Thanks for the title edit ... not too hard, was it? Ironically, in that instance, your swift toning down of the form of my emphatic title made my thread not more modest, but rather less MODEST, and thereby less Swift, in it's intended saterical content ... but that's OK by me, because it shows you are getting part of the message -- Moderate Moderation before the best content is deleted because YOU LET DISINFO TROLLS WIN WHEN YOU DON"T 'GET IT' ... when you don't discern that which is below superficial. ]

History Lessons, folks --- TROLL TECHNIQUES:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/79837

MORE IRONY -- The remedy for bad speech is not less speech, but more speech.

Regulating open forums should attempt to restrain content manipulation with least restrictive alternatives preventing abuses by those who would shut down communication shouting down opposing viewpoints, or duping immoderate regulators.

I'm not so sure it's always that they don't get it...

...when they let ~trolls~ win.

Rather, I think bias sometimes causes them to turn a blind eye to the instigation.

This is evidenced in what happened during the reign of Parkman last year, and also when things came to a head recently that resulted in Michael clamping down on certain topics.

In both instances, while some of the flamers did end up being banned, rebukes by admin curiously were aimed not at those instigating the flaming, but instead, at those reacting to it, and only after things came to a head.

Michael recently clamped down with regard to a certain topic because it had ~escalated into a civil war~. But those in charge allowed it get to that point by not addressing what was causing it.

MUCH of the fighting that brought things to a head both times was because people who didn't want certain things discussed here were disrupting discussions and posting attack/flame threads over it.

Despite Michael specifically stating that he allowed discussion of those topics, admin allowed the disrupting and flame/attack threads to go on and on and on.

Some of the flame threads were eventually pulled and some posters blocked, but unless I missed it, I don't recall the same harsh rebukes being given to the people doing the instigating, as was done to the people who had had enough and were reacting to it.

Some in admin were quick to get in the faces of those questioning Michael's recent decision to clamp down on that topic, and point out that this is his site and if people can't respect Michael's rules, they can go elsewhere.

Why hadn't that same thing been said all this time to those disrespecting Michael's decision to allow discussion of topics they didn't want discussed here?

Not saying there wouldn't have been disagreements otherwise, but if that had been done, and consistently, things would not have escalated into the civil war that it did.

It seems that for some, telling people to respect Michael's decisions is only worth their effort when it coincides with their personal preferences.

Jack Boot'n Scoot'n -- ...

... The Freaks, Wonders, Strange and Odd; Bizarre, Macabe and Unusual ...

These, I find, are more often the legitimate posts by genuine DPers intent of edifying their fellows.

Ever notice many charletons wear a tie, just as tool bag disinfo provocateurs feign conventionality in order to better promote whatever snake oil their sideshow is pushing.

[ That was Parkman's MO before he was scooted out from behind his poised podium and caused to show his true colors. But it would take a very QUICK and astute observer to catch all of that because much of his meltdown was promptly sanitized. Our loss. Not because his self-serving pandering lip service was worthwhile, but because the puppeteers pulling the Parkman strings are clever, and a sense of history would shine light.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/95517#comment-1047602

(Present tense -- Of course, in many ways the essence of Jack Parkman is still around ... you don't think they loose face when made to change masks, do you? Hari kari is not part of their honor code, which if they had one, would, I'm sure, only extend to their own kind. No ... in any event, self mutilation seems to be our schtick, any way.]

BTW: If it wasn't for the nearly hydraulic lift I get jacking around in the good company of you few freak show fans, I might have had to leave home and join the circus. ;-)

"the essence of Jack Parkman is still around"

Yes, sad but true.

Glad we give you a lift, LibBerte, and that you didn't have to take up juggling and tightrope walking. :P

Yeah, That's The Ticket

Ironically, a tight rope will choke ... not my idea of ' walking the line'. Juggling would be more my cup of tea ... but my zone of comfort would be the freak show ... and I wouldn't feel at home in the audience.

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/129472#comment-1386556

I have to know

What was the emphatic title before it was edited?

ImMODEST Caricature Of ** Distraction** For Giddy Minds !!!!

Ironically, the busy form of my title was intended to be satrirical content in itself ... which was part of the point I hoped to make.

Incite vs. Insight

As was acknowledged elsewhere on this thread, the best part of our r'Evolution is the leaderless open source aspect. Accordingly, my point was ultimately less a suggestion to moderators and more a heads up admonition to DPers to examine our individual response to manipulation staring us right in the face.

REFLECTIONS : through the looking glass of our past experiences on this forum:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/96165#comment-1057740

"Concerted action in the use

"Concerted action in the use of tools of force is not just theoretical, and thus, predictive; it is historical and current ... and it has been that way since the beginning."
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/124533#comment-1336910

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"Evidently Humpty Dumpty was very angry, though he said nothing for a minute or two. When he did speak again, it was in a deep growl.

`It is a -- most -- provoking -- thing,' he said at last, `when a person doesn't know a cravat from a belt!'" ~ Through the Looking Glass

ACT-tive TOP-picks Silliness Summary

Yes, How about a new category:

Circus Sideshows- Sideshow Barkers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Baae9BvffvM

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd