How to deal with NON-radical Islam?

First of all, all the quotes from Koran posted here are out of context. This is total propaganda.

First things first. Jihad means struggle not war. In fact, there is no permission given to Muslims to attack others except when their own existence is under threat. It is proven from the following verses:

And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it. 8:61
Do not fight wars of aggression. 2:190

Muslims are not allowed to kill others just because they are Christians or Jews. As it is stated in Koran:

Whoever kills a human being, it is as if he had killed all mankind. Whoever saves life of one, it is as if he had saved the life of all. 5:32

Suicide is strictly prohibited in Islam and the suicide bombing was actually invented by Sri Lanka's Tamil terrorist and used the technique to deadly effect. It was later adopted by Palestinian terrorists against Israel not because it is Islamic (which it is not) but because it was effective and caused maximum damage. History proves that people have indulged in terrorism whenever in conflict with others. Why did USA drop bombs on Japan? The intention was to terrorize Japanese so much that they would give up their occupation drive along the Pacific and South East Asia. Why did allied forces carry out blanket bombing on Berlin. The intention was to terrorize German Nazis so much so that they can give up. One can say that the difference is that the Muslims are carrying out terrorism in the name of Islam. Again, the argument is unfair. The violence that occurs in this world has always occuured for political and economic reasons. But more often than not, it is disguised into other reasons such as religion, democracy, human rights to gain more support from common people and planting lies along the way.

The notion that Muslims are carrying out terrorism purely because of Islam is false and ludicrous. 15 out of 19 terrorists on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. It is the same country where criticizing the government is illegal and you cannot publicly express any political opinion. Guess what? The government of Saudi Arabia, as totalitarian as it is, has survived and thrived with blessings from Washington. It is also Saudi Arabia where there are thousands of US troops and have been there well before 9/11. Other terrorists on 9/11 were from Egypt. It is yet another country ruled by a brutal dictator aided and supported by the US government. Who the hell is going to buy the argument in the Muslim world that US is in Iraq in order to bring peace and democracy? Instead, some young people get easily convinced by terrorist propaganda that the US and other allies are in Middle East only because they want to eliminate Muslims in their own lands. Hence, they need to take action even if they may be brutal. They give examples like the support of US to Saudi, Egyptian, and Israel governments and the treatment of detainees in Abu Gareb and Guantanamo.

I asked one of my friends few months ago that why it seems to me that all terrorist are Muslims though all Muslims are not terrorists. He replied, "if Muslim armies were in Europe protecting their economic interests or oil wells, all terrorists would have been Christians though all Christians wouldn't have been terrorists."

I truly believe that terrorism can never be justified and the killing of innocents is always a crime regardless of the reasons. These are criminal acts Whether the reasons given are self-defense, religion, or promotion of democracy. Believe me, most of the wars and much of the violence and terrorism have occurred and will occur because of politics and mostly because of economics.

Just like Muslim terrorists use the propaganda that "Christians are attacking Muslim lands and install governments in our countries" to drive young Muslim to the path of terrorism. Neo-conservative Christians use the propaganda that Muslims will attack US because they want to kill us regardless therefore we need to be on offense against radical Islamic terrorists.

Finally to prove that this entire issue is more to do with politics and economics rather than religion or clash of civilizations, consider these facts:

Democratically-elected Mosadeq of Iran was overthrown by CIA because Mosadeq threw BP out of Iran and nationalized oil resources. This brought US-puppet Shah into power. Islamists took advantage and convinced Iranians that the only way to defend themselves and national interests was by bringing in "Islamic revolution".

US and the West support and encourage Saddam so that they can use him against Iran. Iran is now controlled by Islamist which meant no control over Iran's oil wealth by the US. The control that US lost with the overthrowing of US-installed Shah.

With support from US and the West, Saddam gets bold and attacks Iran.

To remain in power, Saddam commits crimes in Jubail and kills thousands of Kurds and even Sunnis. US turns blind eye because Saddam is fighting the US's war against Iran.

US continues its support to Bin Laden and funds Madrasas with millions of dollars where young Muslims are trained with religious propaganda so that they can fight against Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

US state department repeats numerous times "US has no defense treaty with Kuwait" just before Kuwait got occupied by Iraq. This was a signal to Saddam that US would not intervene militarily if Kuwait got attacked. After all US had nothing, when Saddam killed thousands of Kurds by dropping chemical gas on them. Saddam had also used Western-supplied chemical weapons against Iran. Had Saddam knew that there would comprehensive military response, he would have never attacked Kuwait. By the way he attacked Kuwait because he had gone bankrupt due to western-supported 8 year war with Iran. He thought Kuwait had 250 billion dollars in reserves as oil wealth. Attacking Kuwait would provide a quick fix solution to his economic problems.

However, When Saddam did indeed attack Kuwait, US started taking actions within six hours. The allied forces war with Iraq did indeed liberate Kuwait. This war, interestingly however, provided wonderful opportunity for US to keep troops in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Qatar. All oil-rich countries. Later on, War in Afghanistan after 9/11 allowed US troops to be in Uzbekistan. Uzbekistan is an extremely resourceful country in terms of gas and oil.

After Saddam was thrown out of Kuwait, US and Britain created a strategy called no-fly zone and UN inspections in Iraq. This provided an easy justification for continuation of military presence in the Middle East. Due to embargo, 6 million Iraqi children died of malnutrition. When asked about it, Medaline Albright in 1994 said "It was worth it". Due to government pressure and lobbying, Medaline's quote was successfully censored on ABC News. While embargo and no-fly zone allowed continued military presence in the Middle East, Washington Insiders in US started to realize that embargo was making it impossible to control Iraq's oil wells. Lifting it would have meant easing off military pressure and hence less justification for military presence which actually is meant for controlling oil resources in Middle East. In mid 90s, a plan was drawn to go inside Iraq, overthrow Saddam and take control of Iraq's rich oil resources. This would also create military pressure on another oil rich country Iran. When this strategy got finalized and got strength, Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 was introduced which was signed by Bill Clinton. This act made it obligatory for the US government to seek to end Saddam's power in Baghdad by all means. It is to be noted that it happened well before 9/11.

Before I conclude, I want to clarify that all problems in the Middle East are not because of US. But many of the problems are indeed created by the US in particular and the West in general for economic and political. To somehow suggest that 9/11 happened because Muslim terrorists hate American freedom and American women is insane. America now a days is less free than it was 100 years ago and Islam has been here for centuries. Look at the propaganda of terrorists. They always use occupation and blind support of US to puppet and brutal Arab governments and Israel. They never say in their propaganda that we got to attack US because they are free. They know that it doesn't sell and they wouldn't be able to recruit even a single terrorist.

I am expecting a barrage of criticism here but please be objective and factual and don't get personal.

Thanks You

This person just signed up (17 hours). S/he is baiting everyone here. Stop commenting!

The title says, "How to deal with NON-radical Islam?" and then the first sentence says, "The Koran is replete with hate and violence." and concludes with "How would non-intervention keep religiously motivated Muslims with enough resources from detonating simultaneous nuclear bombs all across the US?"

Please stop adding fuel to this troll's racist rant which takes up valuable Forum space and time.

"The Koran is replete with hate and violence."

Don't cast stones unless you are without sin. It is clear that the Holy Bible is replete with hate and violence as well. I'm not going to quote passages here, but we can start at the beginning:

Sodom and Gomorrah: God kills people that don't do what He told them to do (sounds loving, doesn't it?).

The Exodus: people decide to worship a golden calf (hey, it should be their choice, i.e., an autocratic Moses shouldn't deny them their right to choose [or God, for that matter], right?), but God gets huffy and kills a few more of His people.

I'll skip over the wars fought in the name of God in the Old Testament.

Now, the God in the New Testament is supposed to be a loving and forgiving God, but this really just give the whole notion of Judeo-Christian theology a specious air.

My whole point is this: Christians and Muslims are two different sides of the same coin. Once you realize this, I think some real progress between different faiths can be made. The post to which I'm responding is replete with hate and is nothing more than a form of Christian Extremism, which is really a movement that has elected Bush and allowed him to fight what many evangelicals feel is an Holy War. So, who's really committed more atrocities in the apparent name of Christianity (apparently because that's what Evangelicals have been duping their followers to believe that it's a Holy War)? Christian Extremism, or Muslim Extremism? At the end of the day, those are doublespeak words to keep sheep fighting amongst themselves for the benefit of their masters.

If All people all over the world could learn the good examples of peaceful people such as Jesus ,ghandi,mlk! The untold and unsung heroes who have stood and that stand up against tyranny.Using peaceful activism,and education of the people,like Ron Paul is a great example to follow here in the USA ,
We all owe some gratitude to Ron for his fight for freedom even where he is sometimes the only voice of reason in the whole room he still fights on; for our country and our constitution and the american way of life.
Peace be with all who read this.
It's almost Tea Time.

Are you sure you wouldn't be more comfortable supporting Guiliani or Tancredo?

"How would non-intervention keep religiously motivated Muslims with enough resources from detonating simultaneous nuclear bombs all across the US?"

What about religiously motivated Christians like GWB mass murdering Iraqis? Is this more noble than a Muslim doing the killing. I am a Christian who loves peace and fellowship. Just like there are good and bad Christians, there are good and bad Muslims. Bombing Muslims and labelling them as evil only creates more hatred. If you cannot understand cause and effect then you might as well simmer in your hatred and pain. Do the research and you will discover that occupation and aggression motivates terrorism. It is people like you who have enabled others to label Christians as backward. To the rest of the world words like yours sound exactly like those ignorant passages from the Koran. Peace out.

BEFORE THE 67 WAR MUSLIMS WHERE WALKING AROUND IN MINI SKIRTS AND WESTERN SUITS. EVER READ THE TALMUD? I HAVE. SOME CRAZY SHIT IN THERE TO. KILL GENTILES. SODOMY THIS AND THAT. SEX WITH YOUNG CHILDREN I CAN GO ON AND ON. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS ALSO VIOLENT BUT PEOPLE DONT GO AROUND DOING THOSE THINGS. ALL RELIGIONS HAVE A VIOLENT HISTORY. ONLY JESUS DIDNT PREACH AND EYE FOR A EYE PERIOD SO STOP SINGLING ISLAM. I AM A CHRISTIAN AND KNOW FOR A FACT I HAVE MUSLIMS NEIGHBORS WHILE THEY DONT LIKE WHAT THE USA IS DOING IN IRAQ THEY DONT ESPOUSE VIOLENCE. AS A MATTER OF FACT I HAVE FOUND THEM TO BE THE NICEST PEOPLE I EVER MEET AND VERY FAMILY ORIENTED. THEY WILL LEND A HAND WHEN YOU DONT EVEN ASK. THEY WILL BRING YOU FOOD WHEN YOU DONT EVEN ASK. HOW MANY AMERICAN NEIGHBOR DO YOU KNOW DO THAT? I HAVE PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAVE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS AND NEVER EVEN A WAVE. PLEASE GIVE IT A BREAK.

Christ said,

'I come not to bring peace, but the sword'....'

How is that for an out of context quote...