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Pulled over today with no license, license plate, or registration

A CHP officer came up behind me today on 680N and turned his lights on, because I dont have a plate, I knew he didnt have a warrant, I know I didnt commit any Crime, so if I pulled over, it would be considered an "Arrest by Consent". I continued to my exit, about 3/4 of a mile. On the exit the officer said "Pull over right here" through his loud speaker, I ignored him and continued to the light, turned my blinker, and turned. He repeated "pull over right now", I continued on, and took a right and pulled into a church parking lot.

The officer came to my passenger window, I immediately asked "Am I under arrest?", he said "No", I said, "So Im free to go?", he said "no", I said "So Im under arrest", this time he said "yes". I told him that I did not consent to this arrest, and asked him if he had a warrant. He said no, and asked for my drivers license.

I handed him my notarized secured party declaration, a copy of the title to the truck, and my proof of insurance.

He went back to his car for about 5 minutes. A sergeant showed up and took over. I asked him if I was arrested and he said "no". I again said "So I can leave?" he said "no, you're detained". He started talking about arresting me and towing the truck and I asked under what authority. I told him I was on private property and I have not committed a crime. He agreed, but was playing tough guy.

He started asking me what was going on with my license, asked if I was ever licensed in California, and why the truck wasnt registered. I explained all of my info, we read through the case law and cvc together, and both officers admitted that they were fascinated by this. Turns out they were anti-obama, anti-health care, and 'tea partiers' (who knows what type) but either way we made a connection.

I repeated that I have conviction and respect for the Constitution, and that I understand the codes and definitions. I reminded the officers that ALL ROADS in the United States have been deemed "channels of Interstate commerce" by the Supreme Court, and because of that, local and State laws are trumped by Federal Laws, and that in the Federal Laws a "Motor Vehicle" was a "Commercial Vehicle"...we were waiting for almost 30 minutes while they waited for word from their supervisors.

Eventually, they hand me a citation with "none" marked in the DL location, and "none" in the License Plate location. I asked him if I was required to sign it, and he said "yes, otherwise we have to take you to jail." This now made the signature "under duress". I wrote "under duress" and signed my name next to the ticket.

This is where I was surprised, the Officer said "hey, we never read you your Miranda rights, so anything we use against you in court is not admissible."
Im not sure if this is true, but I was intrigued.

I have written "refused for fraud" across the original ticket, and sent it to the Court and the CHP with the letter below attached. I have done this in the past, and never heard another word, I had wondered if there were any warrants, apparently not!
*************************************

NOTICE and DEMAND

ATTN: Certified Mail 7009 2820 0003 2274 8185
California Highway Patrol Golden Gate Division
Officer B. Knudsen
DUBLIN (390)
4999 Gleason Road
Dublin, CA 94568-3310

CC: Certified Mail 7009 2820 0003 2274 8192
JUDICIAL COUNCIL OF CALIFORNIA, THE
Also Traded as ALAMEDA COUNTY SUPERIOR COURT
5672 Stoneridge Drive
Pleasanton, CA 94588-8559

RE: CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL
Violation Number: 60435 LJ

This notice to appear was signed UNDER DURESS as evidenced by the original citation in possession of, or submitted by Officer B. Knudsen.

Because this notice to appear was signed UNDER DURESS;
1) Statements made therein shall not be considered admissible evidence,
2) As a party to this action, I hereby void this contract and notice to appear, and
3) Any perceived consent or promise to appear is hereby withdrawn.

If you, or any Officer of the court or Officer of the CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL disagrees with the facts or statements stated above, you must refute those items point by point within 10 days of receipt of this Notice, via sworn affidavit, under your full commercial liability, signing under penalty of perjury that the facts contained therein are true, correct, complete and not misleading. Mere declarations are an insufficient response, as declarations permit lying by omission and hearsay, which no honorable draft may contain. If an extension of time is needed to properly answer, please request it in writing. Failure to respond will be deemed agreement with the facts stated above and an inability to prove your claim.

_____________________________________
Name, non resident, non licensed and non registered pursuant to CVC 4, 17459, 17460
See: Edwards v. California, 314 US 160 (1941), Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579., Hertado v. California, 110 US 516

(Enclosed) Copy of Notice to Appear



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Julius--this is just too

Julius--this is just too cool, and brave, for words. KUDOS!!!!

Hey Kiddies

this is a great way to lose your vehicle, go to jail, and be wrong about the law, all at once!

I challenge the original poster to post his case number. I'll look this up.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

PS - extra crispy CHANGED NAME to..

crown victoria ---

Because he was outted as a SHILL.

PROCEED......

Ps, Samuel Washington is a disinfo agent

who is here to pretend that he believes in all the most ridiculous conspiracy theories. That way he can try to make us all look ridiculous, like him.

As he probably knows from his history of trolling my posts, I change my screen name ever week or so, always have. It's pretty funny that it gets him so riled up, though. It's really easy to do - just go to your profile, and hit "edit". You too can have a new screen name.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I KNEW 'extra crispy' the Gov. Troll would.....

NOT comment on this article ---- UNLESS he/she was going to contradict it -- and BAM -- here you are right near the bottom --

GET FOUND OUT - YOU DISINFO PAWN.

http://www.dailypaul.com/mod-suggestion-box#comment-3259713

WAIT WAIT - let me guess:

AnCapMercenary agrees with you, right? right?

But you DO accept all the Government Stories about: 9/11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon --- right ?
Of course you do.

We should all just listen to Dear Government, is that right Butters ?

Someone must have hurt you when you were little.
Please don't take it out on the GOOD PEOPLE in our Country.
Thanks.

You Weak, Pathetic FOOL -Shang Tsung

Oh - OK bud - so you DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT 9/11 ? ?

It was the basis for WAR, the basis for LOSS OF FREEDOM, the basis for FUTURE FALSE FLAGS. But you don't "really have an opinion" ? ? ?

Are you so pathetic that you can't see how that answer is an IMMEDIATE CAPITULATION to everything I accused you and ANCAPMERCENARY of ?

I DON'T NEED TO SEE 1 MORE WORD FROM YOU.

You AREN'T INTELLIGENT enough to do this well -- but you know what -- you're like those sad kids in France who get DUPED into becoming suicide bombers "for their religion".

That's you. You're a kid who was down on his luck and someone took advantage of you.

You know what else I can smell on you?
You're not even an American Citizen.

Is that considered an Act of War ?

Foreign Nationals get involved in OUR country's politics in an attempt to subvert OUR, not your, OUR CONSTITUTION -- how is that NOT an act of War ?

I feel sorry for any legitimate DailyPauler who falls for your weak skills, but as for me -- I'll just pick your awful tactics apart when I see them.

wtf?

first who is Shang Tsung?

Second, since when does a Libertarian think that political speech should be a crime? You remember that Constitution thing, the First Amendment thereto? Yeah, read it, a-hole.

You've now revealed yourself as not a libertarian or even a liberty lover. Go away disinfokookshill

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

govt troll? rofl

you are a caricature of the worst aspects of the internet.

Hey, you know, if you listen occasionally, and aren't so insistent on only hearing what you want, you might learn something sometime. Hey, I said "might" so don't get defensive now.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

wrong

I don't really have an opinion on 9-11 and find many aspects of the official story problematic.

The whole crisis actor thing is hogwash. Do your research on the purveyor of that myth mr. dallasgoldbug if you haven't already. So, no I don't buy that theory about Sandy Hook. I also think any conspiracy theory I've heard about Boston is crazy.

Now, that doesn't mean that there isn't some theory out there that explains everything that happened in a way that makes sense. I just haven't heard it.

But your logic falls apart here. The law is (relatively) easy to know. You can look it up. When researching caselaw, it gets a little trickier, because cases can be overruled, based on old statutes, etc. But generally, the law can be known, especially about such a mundane topic as whether or not one needs a drivers license.

Yes, there are old definitions in old codes and old dictionaries that say you only need a license if you are operating a commercial vehicle. No, they aren't current, the caselaw that supports that idea isn't current, and it is knowable, objectively, that in teh present day, you do need one.

Now, that is the answer to the question of what is the law. That does not answer the question of how I would organize my idea of utopia. Just because I can tell you that the law presently states you need a drivers license, that doesn't mean I love the idea or even support it. It just is what it is.

On with your childish antics...

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

But did you

look up the case numbers like you said you would? ("I challenge the original poster to post his case number. I'll look this up.") I'd be curious to know what you turn up.

One of the first "freemen" youtubes I ever saw, linked as an example of a victory, was easy to check up on -- it turned out that after the judge "fled" the courtroom and he declared victory and left, the case reconvened, he was found guilty and fined, and then refused to pay the fine, lost his house, etc. The "you don't owe any taxes" crowd is usually the same way. There's one genius who posts images of refund checks on his site, disclosing the names and addresses of people who took his advice. Google the names and you find out what happened next for them, but for reasons that are impossible to fathom they're still up there on the "victories" page.

Yep, it's always all a myth

But in this case, buried deep within his celebratory original post, is citation # 60435 LJ, Alameda County. I don't have a name, a drivers license #, or any other identifiers, but I'll do what I can to look it up. I hadn't seen that was a part of it before, but thanks for pointing it out. Edit: The Alameda County website doesn't show the ticket.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Also

http://www.dailypaul.com/comment/3082124 below

Fairfield Case F1501587

Superior Court of California County of Solano Traffic Division Fairfield Branch 600 union Ave. / P.O. Box 2463 Fairfield, CA 94533
Phone (707) 207-7360

Submitted Decision

"Your Case Has been reviewed as follows:"
X OTHER: Per the courts review, no failure to appear appears on your case as it was dismissed previously. No further action will be taken, thank you. By J Berrios Court Legal Process Clerk.

Form 73

Mountain View Case. Case number 2-11-TR-301650
citation G489404

Charges VC-4001A1-1 Dept. 86 5/20/2011 9:00 a.m.

Status: "Case Dismissed"

Walnut Creek, California
Citation 45559NP
Martinez California

This is all I could find in my 3 minute search. Message me if youre more curious.

Fairfield Case F1501587

Fairfield Case F1501587

Superior Court of California County of Solano Traffic Division Fairfield Branch 600 union Ave. / P.O. Box 2463 Fairfield, CA 94533
Phone (707) 207-7360

Submitted Decision

"Your Case Has been reviewed as follows:"
X OTHER: Per the courts review, no failure to appear appears on your case as it was dismissed previously. No further action will be taken, thank you. By J Berrios Court Legal Process Clerk.

Form 73

Mountain View Case. Case number 2-11-TR-301650
citation G489404

Charges VC-4001A1-1 Dept. 86 5/20/2011 9:00 a.m.

Status: "Case Dismissed"

Walnut Creek, California
Citation 45559NP
Martinez California

This is all I could find in my 3 minute search. Message me if youre more curious.

notarized secured party declaration, title, & proof of insurance

Do you have an example of the secured party declaration?

Is the title in the name of the UPPER CASE NAMED ENTITY?

Is the insurance in the name of the UPPER CASE NAMED ENTITY?

When I have appliced for insurance, there has always been questions about who is driving the vehicle and their drivers license numbers.

How did you get insurance without a driver license number?

Excellent questions...

...Hopefully there is good answers to your questions. I would like to know the answers for myself.

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Link please...

Link please...

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

How many times?

How many times will people ask for "verifiable" proof of case like this (meaning you can look it up within one minute online with the magic key (case number)?)

Like the crooks who set up and run this scam would do that... sheesh.

Richard Grove and Larken Rose lay it bare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApMNKGT6eE8

WRONG!!! I did look it up

WRONG!!! I did look it up and found nothing. Why not give us the link? Whats the big deal?

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

What link? I said to message

What link? I said to message me. I have hard copies in my hand. There is probably a way to find the cases online, or feel free to call the court and ask, it's public record.

I have two friends who beat tickets

In a similar way, but not the same. The city just wants people to send their money in, they want it quick, simple and profitable. If people started fighting tickets like this, the time and expense involved would back up the traffic courts like a multicar pile up on an express way.

That's how Gandhi freed his

That's how Gandhi freed his nation, fill up the courts and jails and plug up the system. But most Americans are too lazy to fight.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

so now you're Ghandi

keep smokin, I want some

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What a fool proof strategy!

If enough of us jump into the wood chipper, we might clog it's gears!

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

Listen up

Jail, woodchipper = BIG DIFFERENCE!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Da, Comrade.

If we all go the State's gulags, we will "plug them up".

Surely, opponents of the state are not better off pursuing other means of resistance.

The best way to fight against the State is to relinquish your freedoms to it, and lock yourself up in it's prisons.

Such success has been demonstrated by the Gulag Archipelago, and the incarceration of millions of non violent drug offenders in US prisons.

I remember quite vividly when these two scenarios "plugged up" the State's prisons and caused it to collapse!

If only the French Maquis would've been brave enough to turn themselves in to their German and Vichy oppressors, they could've "plugged up" the prisons and caused the collapse of their enemy.

Check out the Laissez-Faire Journal at LFJournal.com


"The State is a gang of thieves writ large." - Murray Rothbard

You first!

It means you do not understand how money is created. Look unlimited prisions are available to put every soul that is not a prison guard into.

Prison slave labor is very profitable. See..http://www.dailypaul.com/305312/video-women-of-masanjia-slave-labor-camp#comment-3260116 the Chineese way.

See... Cash Cons: American private jails reap record profits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVzZjg6jZQk

So if you think you will be more effective in prison good go to it, but do not advise others to do so until you have tryed. Perhaps ask Adam Kokesh how that worked out for him.

sovereign

I know it isn't for you, you

I know it isn't for you, you might miss American Idol.

It did work for an entire subcontinent though! (But then they were real men)

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

When money is created out of thin air digitized at a computer

Unlimited funds are available to offer for prison guards and prisons. Prisons are slave labor and very profitable. For you to think this will somhow help somone is stupid. Exactly how will this help. What will be plugged up. It makes no sense and you state that it worked somwhere historicaly therfore you dont need to use sense or logic is just plain stupid@you

sovereign

Learning from history

not for everyone!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Ignoring reality

Definatly for you, people like talk the big fight but the first time you take your own reccomendations you see your insanity.

Talk is cheap takes a man to back up his talk. Write to me from prison then we will take up the discussion.

BTW you childish insult about watching american idol paints who you are. I have no TV.

sovereign