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Could Gulf oil spill become an E.L.E

I read this article on Rense.com and it really scared the stuffing out of me.
http://rense.com/general90/messn.htm




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That was cool!

If only John Wayne were alive today...

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Nuke has been used before

From RTAmerica
Raw footage, nuclear blast stops gas fountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j11GSIxwM4Y

In the 1970's, a gas fountain was extinguished by a nuclear bomb in Turkmenistan. Could this be the answer to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico?

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but they drilled 1700 meters ...

and put the device down there. Might as well just drill into the old borehole and stop it.

BP is on location now drilling the relief well, I have a crew lined up to go to that rig this weekend.

Interestingly, if I understand correctly, they will have to drill a new hole in the direction of the old hole, and use magnetometers to find the old casing. This will take a bunch of ins and outs... drill, pull out, put magnetometer in, pull that out, drill some more based upon what you found with the magnetometer, on and on... a slow process.

Hope they cap it long before then.

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bump

scary article.

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His numbers aren't correct.

which is it spilling 200,000 gallons a day? or 200,000 barrels...?

I don't think Rense is correct on this write up.. but I don't think the story we are being told is is adequate either. He does bring some good points up.

This isn't a good thing and it's going to cause some serious problems. The oceans food supply is already being fished to the max by mankind.. Now we destroy the gulf and you can see real quick how much of a food crunch the planet will be in in the next year.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

The present effort by BP to "cap" the well

yes, exactly.

Thanks for that link. IMO, this contraption should have been ready to mobilize immediately, but it looks like they are either just building it, or maybe customizing it for the situation.

Not having this ready sooner is the biggest blunder by the industry, IMO.

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Thanks Bugman I feel alot more educated on whats really going

on. It's still incredibly bad though, and the full environmental impact to the worlds seas is still unknown.

Jeff might be an alarmist but hes way ahead of the MSM, but nobody can add perspective like the Dailypaul.

Don't they have to build it

Don't they have to build it to spec for this individual situation or am I missing something?

yes, I think you're right..

I did mention customizing it for this situation. Still I'd think that they'd have something ready that would just fit over the BOP that they're using. I guess the tangled mess of 'riser' is in the way and they have to cut the holes to go around that??

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I would like to think you're right.

Let's hope this can stop the leak.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

More B.S. from that site...

http://pesn.com/2010/05/02/9501643_Mother_of_all_gushers_cou...

"The rig that was drilling was not a US Flagged rig. That means US Inspectors were not allowed on board the rig to inspect it. As a matter of National Security under the GATT the USA has a right to demand US Only in various technology. The USA should never allow a foreign flag vessel to drill for oil in the US Economic Zone (200 mile limit). "

OMG. If not such a somber event, this statement would be laughable. This guy is totally clueless and should be paid no attention.

The Coast Guard and the Minerals Management Service(MMS) routinely, and often by surprise, inspect these rigs. They tightly regulate these rigs, and will fine the rig if they find something as little as the lid not tethered to a trash can!

The BOPs must be tested regularly and reported to the MMS. Like lots of vessels, they register in a different country, but believe me, they are under the thumb of the Federal agencies!

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Umm..

The BP people on MSN's website yesterday said it wasn't their fault because people working were not theirs.
NEW ORLEANS - Facing an unprecedented Gulf Coast environmental disaster, not to mention lawsuits, oil giant BP told NBC on Monday that while it was taking responsibility for cleaning up the giant undersea leak, the accident that triggered the disaster was not its fault.

"It wasn't our accident, but we are absolutely responsible for the oil, for cleaning it up, and that's what we intend to do," BP Group CEO Tony Hayward told NBC's "TODAY" show.

The rig that exploded on April 20 and then sank was run by another company, Transocean, he reminded viewers. That rig, he said, "was run by their people, their processes."

I did read that. So what is it now.. MSN is lying or you are telling the Truth.

Humm.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

WW, you continue to amaze me...

I'm really confused about how what they said on MSN conflicts in any way what I've said. Please elaborate!

What BP is talking about here:
1) The Horizon rig was owned by Transocean, a huge drilling company that builds and operates the rigs. No major oil company owns the rigs, the lease them from companies like Transocean.

2) BP buys a lease from the Fed Gov for the rights to drill in the 3 square mile block of real estate. It's a sealed bid kind of auction for the leases.

3) BP contracts with Transocean to bring in their rigs, which are operated by Transocean employees. There may be 3-4 BP employees on the rig, but the real drilling is done by Transocean. The BOP belongs to Transocean. The driller on the rig floor is a Transocean employee.

But the ultimate liability lies on BP, though it was not their fault that Transocean blew up their own rig, other than BP contracted Transocean.

Analogy: You hire a guy to put in a septic tank, he brings his backhoe and digs up the city water line. It's his fault, but it was on your property so you are liable. You can sue him of course, but the city comes after YOU.

Where am I lying?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Trying to figure that out.

Never claimed you were lying. Reread the statment.
You can paint the situation by focusing on claiming Jeff Rense is bullshitting or not.. still dosen't stop the fact that this situation is worse than you're letting on.

Like I said.. It's known you work for the Industry and it's a lively hood for you. We all need this energy supply that comes from oil cause big oil had stifled all tech that could wean us off the crap.. Still dosen't negate the fact that everything isn't hunky-dory from here on out for Mankind now.

Jeff Rense does make a good point.. it only takes 1 quart to make 250,000 gallons of water toixc to wild life..

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

yes, you really did say I was lying:

"So what is it now.. MSN is lying or you are telling the Truth."

It's one or the other... MSN quoted somebody directly, unlikely that they could be lying, so the alternative is that I am lying.

Show me just one case where I have sugar coated this disaster and made it out to be less than it is. I've said continuously that it is just that, a disaster. I am simply correcting the disinfo and bull crap that is floating around out there by you and some of the links presented here.

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Bugman, step back bro, you

Bugman, step back bro, you are just misreading his comment.

"So what is it now.. MSN is lying or you are telling the Truth."

If I am reading this correctly he is being sarcastic towards the MSM. # 1 : THE msm IS LYING, # 2 : You are telling the truth.

You really think so? If so, I apologize, but:

"I did read that. So what is it now.. MSN is lying or you are telling the Truth. "

... taken with context of the total conversation of today, sure seems like an implication to me... MSM isn't lying if they're quoting somebody, and they were quoting somebody accurately.

No biggie

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Don't apologize.

You called my hairbrainedness about the oil being forced out by water.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Disinfo?

I didn't write the article champ and I'm glad you're telling the info you are. I don't agree with the MSM at all and think they are propaganda. You work for the Oil industry.

It's questions.. don't get upset.

What do you think the lasting impact will be?

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Welll champ, nobody likes to be called liar...

and you did imply that. And you are indeed spreading disinfo with your posts. I'm not upset, just pointing out your perpetual faux pas.

No need to even speculate at this time what the lasting impact will be. Let's give it time and see what happens. It aint gonna be good, we already know that.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I didn't call you a liar.

it was a point of view that the MSM lies. So are you telling the truth. HUmmm.. I have no clue.

You say their is no need to speculate at this time yet you say they should have it fixed "In Time"
Who's really speculating Cheif.

Don't be hypocritical just let info speak for itself.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

as with so many things--

whom do *we* choose to believe?

Those who are crying catastrophe may be going too far, but they may also have a point.

Those who say that it isn't so bad may be right, also, but they may not be able to foresee everything.

No matter what is behind this, it isn't a happy event.

BugMan, you say you are 'surprised' *they* (those in charge) didn't have something ready to take care of this.

Being associated with engineers and the 'worst case scenario' thought process that is common among engineers--

I can understand how you would feel this way. That makes it even more disturbing. One wonders if there isn't something else going on.

I know that all possible conspiracies regarding this were debunked handily on DP yesterday, but still a person has to wonder.

There should be no surprises. Surprises aren't an engineering fundamental.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

it's bad, no way around it...

the BOPs that they use these days (link to picture below), are so high tech, and so strong, that I suppose that nobody ever thought it would fail. We test them religiously every two weeks.

My guess is that several human errors led up to the blowout, and nobody could push 'the button' until the blowout was so advanced that the BOP could not contain it.

I guess I've never considered what the consequences would be if the humans didn't recognize the blowout as it began manifesting, AND the BOP failed, AND the shutoff valve on the rig failed, AND the rig caught fire AND sank. But seems like the big guys should have.

Still, while I've been wrong already, I'm as sure as sure can be that there is nothing else (conspiracy) going on here. Just pure human error, mechanical error, and bad, bad luck.

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Bad Lucks Ass.

Fill your 50 gallon fish tank with a ounce of oil and see how long your fish live.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

So what's your expert take on my suggestion below?

I just ran some numbers and found some interesting info.

If the pipe is leaking 200,000 gpd, that is only 2.314 gallons per second. In a 5' pipe, that translates to a flow speed of only 1/4" per second. A 3' pipe would flow less than 1/3" per second. This got me to wondering what's the actual buoyancy of the oil?

I looked the densities up and it ranged near 54 lbs/cubic foot for oil. Water is 63.8 lbs/cu ft. This means there's about 9.8 lbs of buoyancy in every cubic foot (.977 inches of length on a 3' diameter pipe). I would think that would make quite a beaten path to the surface if constrained in a totally collapsible tube.

What am I missing here? Is it just that "oil's always been done this way" and they're not open to alternative thinking?

Certainly not my area of expertise...

so I'm not claiming to know your idea wouldn't work, just seemed to me that the oil would follow a path of least resistance, and flow around the balloon instead of going into it and forcing it open at such depth & pressure. That's great thinking outside the box, though, which is what we need! It's certainly worth passing on...

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Well I am of the mindset

That a industry insider such as bugman has a duty to make a situation like this seem less impacting to the planet that it truly is.

I like Rense and to be honest that hole in the gulf if it's truly pumping 200,000 gallons a day then it's going to make the 10.9 million gallons the Exxon Valdez spilled in 89 look like a picnic.

Oh yes.. this if not stopped it has the great possibility to end up a ELE event. Let's hope this was a small reservoir you know less than 29 billion like the North Sea

Also you have to take into account the fact that the Ocean water pressure at that depth wanting to force itself into the hole and push out the lower density oil.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

WW....

I can understand why you would think, that because I work in the industry, that I'd try to sugar coat this disaster. You don't know me, of course.

But I refuse to let the conspiracies and disinfo fly without a rebuttal.

One can look at a couple of your statements like:
"Also you have to take into account the fact that the Ocean water pressure at that depth wanting to force itself into the hole and push out the lower density oil." That's just plain silly.

and the one above -- 1 oz oil in a 55 gallon drum of water-- that shows how little you understand about the situation -- consider the proportion of the spill to the size of the ocean. That's fine if you believe Rense instead of me, no problem, we can't all get it right. Just continue to strive for the truth with some common sense.

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