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Major General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben of the Continental Army was gay.

A Senior Officer in George Washington's Continental Army was a homosexual. In fact, if it was not for this Officer, the colonies probably would have not had defeated the British in the Revolutionary War.

Meet Major General Friedrich Wilhelm von Steuben of the Continental Army, Prussian aristocrat and military officer who served as inspector general and Major general of the Continental Army during the American Revolutionary War.

He is credited with teaching the Continental Army the essentials of military drill and discipline, helping to guide it to victory. He wrote the Revolutionary War Drill Manual, the book that became the standard United States drill manual until the War of 1812, and served as General George Washington's chief of staff in the final years of the war.

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Rebelsoul...

I did a little research on what Ron Paul had to say about homosexuality. It seems that he does not wish to judge, and would rather not use his position as a forum to discuss his own religious beliefs. Here's an interview with Dr. Paul:

http://www.decimation.com/markw/2007/09/05/ron-paul-on-his-r...

What bothers me is that you are using your signature line as some means of connecting your own beliefs with that of Dr. Paul. *You* use the term "perversion." That is your thinking alone, and a pithy quote does not justify it or make it the views of RP.

In another thread, you identified yourself as Arizona State Senator Sylvia Allen. If you are in fact an elected official, I would be cautious in how you present your views to this forum, lest you alienate a portion of your constituency. And if you are *not* Senator Allen, I suggest you attribute quoted material with more care:

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/133895#comment-1430448

The text of the above comment can be found here (and numerous other places on the Internet):

http://tucsoncitizen.com/the-cholla-jumps/2010/05/01/state-s...

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

Imagine...

if you will, a society that is run with full respect of the liberty and sovereignty of every individual. Where do "God's laws" fit into this? Are these laws to be imposed by the state, by a small group, or should we allow God to decide what happens to those who do not follow his laws?

In my view, the imposition of laws based on any particular religious belief has no place in government. I suppose this is where I do not agree with Ron Paul, and part company with many on the right. Keep the government out of my bedroom, please...and I promise not to peek into yours...

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Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

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Trying to stick every individual into

the bitty box you call god's law IS tyranny. A free world is one in which everyone chooses for him/herself -- whether a god's dictates, or natural law, or rational philosophy atheism, scientology, wicca, whatever -- so long as each person's behavior is peaceful it should be of no concern to you.
And I do respect Dr. Paul's personal belief which he would NEVER inflict on another. And I admire his generous kindness; he would never want to see another harmed for a differing but peaceful viewpoint.

the box I call Gods law is

the box I call Gods law is the same box Ron Paul believes in. as you see what he wrote below. Homosexuality is the destruction of the family. without the family unit everything falls apart.

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

What about people like me? I

What about people like me? I believe I'm my own god. The very essence of Luciferianism!

Ohhh, I can't wait to hear what they say about that!!!

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

Rusty: Not that I'm a Christian but what you said is the

very essence of Christianity.

Jesus said, "Know ye not that ye are Gods?"

There is very little difference between a "truly" ethical-moral atheist and a "truly" self-realized christian.

Where self-realization means the recognition (in actuality) that we as individuals are "Gods" as Jesus said -- he wasn't waxing poetic there is some sub-sub-sub atomic truth to that statement.

We can barely sit still let alone reduce our "perception" down to the last rung of sub-atomic smallness or universal expansiveness.

Indeed.. Christ [assuming he

Indeed.. Christ [assuming he was real] was the very embodiment of Lucifer. Why else do you think he was called the morning star?

Bear in mind now, the concept of Lucifer greatly predates Christianity.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

But what you're forgetting is

But what you're forgetting is that (assuming you're Abrahamic) your god gave man free will, and he must make his own conscious choice to follow that law.

It is between him and god, not him and you and god, because between him and you would be gay.

pwned! damn i'm good.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

I'm still going to tell gay

I'm still going to tell gay jokes though...

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

Many types of closet doors made from many types of wood

......they all open outward my friend.

If Ricky Martin can do it you can do it too, smile.

Totally agree with ...

you.

A Fraud

He essentially lied about his resume when he got to America. Similar claims about sexual interests surround Fredrick the Great who he served under in Prussia. He also supposedly shacked up with one of John Adam's sons. Died and buried in the sticks of upstate NY.

I remember reading that there

I remember reading that there is evidence that Lincoln was gay. Makes no difference to me one way or the other though. His policies were rotten.

who cares? and how do you

who cares? and how do you know he was gay?

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

So was Achilles...

what's your point? That we should judge people by their sexual orientation? Why should I worry?

Assert Your Authority

That's true.

Pretty much everyone in Greece was hella gay by our standards.

CHA-CHING!

gee so what happened to the

gee so what happened to the greeks? what happened to that great society that at one time was the most powerful in the world?

“Defiance of God’s Law will eventually bring havoc to a society.” - Dr. Ron Paul

The romans came in and kicked

The romans came in and kicked their butts.

On the other hand, how hard can it be to kick someone's butt if he's bent over?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

Romans...

... who also happened to be hella gay.

"OHHHH but what happened to them?!?!"

CHA-CHING!

The Christians

happened to them. LOL.

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Lawl and just how gay are we finding out they

are...

CHA-CHING!

Maybe that's what's wrong

Maybe that's what's wrong with America.. now that the christian right is gay, the whole country's going down the tubes.

I don't really believe that, but it sounds like a good response.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

LOL, ins Deutsche vielleicht

LOL, ins Deutsche vielleicht nennen wir von Steuben "Puffte"...ein spezialler Freund der Englischen...

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

English madam...

some of us uneducated don't speak in no foreign languages here...

Assert Your Authority

Didn't want to translate.

Didn't want to translate. Didn't want my gay friends to believe I was casting aspersions. I merely wanted to use the word "Puffte" in a sentence. Yes, I admit it, how childish of me...yes, I've been drinking. Yes, Liberty Belle, I remember what you told me...STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD...

Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem. ("I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude"). Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 30 January 1787.

I do not find this hard to believe

After all they were originally British.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

von Steuben

The good Baron was not British, he was Prussian (German).

Uh, ok Beavis... huh huh

Uh, ok Beavis... huh huh huh...

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

And von Steuben...

Is still revered in the Army, I remember my Drill Sergeants praising him, and I passed it on to others when I was in a reserve Drill Sergeant unit...

I had no problem serving with someone of another orientation, when I was still active duty and in a line infantry unit (3/7 inf, 3rd ID) my squad leader was bi - it never got in the way of us doing our job.

I hope von Steuben's full story is spread far and wide - it will open minds.

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It sort of gives the phrase

"drill sergeant" a while new complexion!

But in seriousness, the average person would probably be shocked at how many famous historical people were homosexual. And really, what the Hell difference does or did it make in light of their contributions to society? Would Ron Paul's preferred sexual practices with his wife matter one iota to his decades long pro-freedom campaign?