Feds: States' Growing Gun-Rights Movement a Threat?
Submitted by SteveMT on Fri, 05/21/2010 - 10:17Montana's Firearms Law Continues to Draw Fire From Feds
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Feds: States' growing gun-rights movement a threat
Attorneys argue laws 'void' because of impact on 'interstate commerce'
Posted: May 20, 2010 10:55 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
The federal government is arguing in a gun-rights case pending in federal court in Montana that state plans to exempt in-state guns from various federal requirements themselves make the laws void, because the growing movement certainly would impact "interstate commerce."
The government continues to argue to the court that the Commerce Clause in the U.S. Constitution should be the guiding rule for the coming decision. The argument plays down the significance of both the Second Amendment right to bear arms and the 10th Amendment provision that reserves to states all prerogatives not specifically granted the federal government in the Constitution.
WND has reported both on the lawsuit filed by Montana interests seeking affirmation of the 2009 Montana Firearms Freedom Act as well as the growing movement that has seen six other states, Wyoming, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Tennessee and Arizona, follow with similar laws.
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The movement worries the federal government. In a brief filed this week in support of government demands that the case be dismissed, posted on the website for the Firearms Freedom Act, attorneys wrote, "Because an illicit market for firearms exists nationwide, a 'gaping hole' in federal firearm regulation would persist if firearms made and sold in Montana were exempted from compliance."
The brief continued, "Moreover, six states have followed Montana's lead in enacting 'virtually identical' Firearms Freedom Acts, and an additional 22 have proposed similar legislation. … The fact that up to 29 states may essentially 'opt out' of certain federal firearms laws would have an indisputable effect on interstate commerce."
Plaintiffs in the lawsuit previously argued that the Commerce Clause, in the original Constitution, later was modified by both the Second Amendment and 10th Amendment.
In a brief submitted on behalf of Montana lawmakers who wrote and adopted the law, attorneys argued that the state law simply allows Montana citizens to "engage within their state in constitutionally protected activity without burdensome federal oversight."
"It is questionable whether Congress' authority under its conditional spending power or its power to regulate interstate commerce extends to MFFA firearms," the argument continued.
"Where a power had not been granted exclusively to the national government or, where generally granted, had not been exercised … the states retain freedom to legislate," the lawmakers argued.
Montana statehouse
"There is nothing in the MFFA that should offend the powers of the national government," they said. And the lawmakers argued that the Constitution's supremacy clause has no impact because "only laws made in pursuance of the Constitution constitute the supreme law of the land."
In this case, the state is addressing intrastate commerce under its authority under the Second and Tenth Amendments, the brief argued.
Not so, said the feds.
Michael Boldin of the Tenth Amendment Center said Washington likely is looking for a way out of the dispute.
"I think they're going to let it ride, hoping some judge throws out the case," he told WND earlier. "When they really start paying attention is when people actually start following the [state] firearms laws."
WND reported when Wyoming joined the states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation. Officials there took the unusual step of including penalties for any agent of the U.S. who "enforces or attempts to enforce" federal gun rules on a "personal firearm."
The costs could be up to two years in prison and $2,000 in fines for an offender.
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Provisions against removal of property from the state
Check out Article 4 of AoC
http://books.google.com/books?id=uGhMAAAAYAAJ&printsec=front...
This certainly appears to prevent the states from denying the free movement of people and their personal effects across state lines. Once the firearms are produced in any state and are held by an American as his possession, they are outside of commerce and may move across state lines without being subject to the power of the states severally or collectively.
In fact, the provisions of Article IV of the AoC appears to place the commerce clause in a proper perspective. How can the states, who have given up the power to regulate interstate commerce in the formation of the Articles, assign their creation a power which they no longer have?
You may want to check out the bottom of page 61 for an interesting history lesson.
http://books.google.com/books?id=uGhMAAAAYAAJ&printsec=front...
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thanks sharpMT for this...
have a question though....
Does this mean that in Montana,and the other states, that they can legally build say fully automatic machine guns in the state, and then the citizen can buy them in that state?
If so....COOL!! (plus this would technically be like "second amendment protection" for the states to build/have any type of weapons! Thereby allowing them to have/manage/ build and arm their own private Military.) This would give any/all the states that pass this law..teeth should they ever secede!(or want to)
What other weapons can they build and sell? tanks? flamethrowers? Bazookas? Fighter Jets? Talk about protection from the FEDS!!
Jdayh, The planned test weapon is a bolt action rifle.
With this act now signed into law but still in dispute, all is in limbo. You can imagine some of the well known companies such as Browning or Remington building a facility here. Imagine what they could make and market to Montana residents?
There are 900,000 residents living in Montana and of those 12,000 people have Federal Firearms Licenses! Think of the possibilities in this 2nd Amendment State?
Thanks.
thanks...
was wondering.... if there are lawsuits in these other states... Wyoming, South Dakota, Idaho, Utah, Tennessee and Arizona.
Also, when does this go to trial?
Sic semper tyrannis
"WND reported when Wyoming joined the states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation. Officials there took the unusual step of including penalties for any agent of the U.S. who "enforces or attempts to enforce" federal gun rules on a "personal firearm."
The costs could be up to two years in prison and $2,000 in fines for an offender."
that's great but in my house the penalties are much more permanent.
“We have allowed our nation to be over taxed and over regulated and overrun by bureaucrats, the founders would be ashamed of us for what we're putting up with.” Ron Paul
With situations like this,
and also with AZ, I think we may be seeing a time coming where the State Governors will serve notice on the Federal Gov't to remove all its agents and employees from the State, as "persona non grata".
I'd like to see that begin very soon.
Anyone who views state moving
Anyone who views state moving to secure a Right protected by the Bill of Rights needs to be watched very carefully.
If this isn't an indication that there is a movement afoot in this nation that is opposed to Constitutional government, opposed to the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, and opposed to the Right to peaceably assemble and air grievances, I don't know what it would take.
There are people in Washington who are "alarmed" that some people - and states take the Bill of Rights seriously. They see the Bill of Rights as a threat. In my opinion, these people are the threat. They have no business in our government, since they seem opposed to it.
What would we call these people? Anti-Government? Or maybe just Totalitarians.
We would call them "not fit for any country, anywhere."
Tyranny and oppression is their calling card.
They are severely detached from nature and insane.
And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”
Hell yes its a threat....to "Tyranny"
"Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master!"
--Thomas Jefferson
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"Take hold of the future or the future will take hold of you." -- Patrick Dixon
Those homegrown terrorists, better known as patriots, are a ...
threat to their tyranny. That is for sure.
Clinton signs small arms deal with UN, gun rights in Danger
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/135343
What would you expect from a
What would you expect from a traitor?
Why do you keep posting this link under the banner of a lie?
While I agree that any international agreements made by unelected officials have no bearing on our individual rights, and are not legally enforceable...
IF YOU READ THE ARTICLE, it does not say that Clinton signed anything, it only says that the Obama admin agreed to hold talks at the UN (with which I also disagree with).
Why are you promoting FUD, can we stick to the facts, plase?
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RON PAUL 2012
Blatantly unconstitutional!! Clinton broke the law by signing.
She should be in jail for this.
I'm pretty sure
that a "gaping hole in Federal Firearms regulation" is exactly what the Constitution guarantees.
"...SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED".
Period.
When you put it like that
Yeah, that's exactly what the Constitution guarantees.
Big T, This legislation is exploiting that "gaping hole."
These states are using the Constitution to show the hypocrisy of the government.
These days, guns are good, and more States Rights are better.
Thanks.
Yeah. People don't realize
Yeah. People don't realize that the most important part of the 2nd amendment is:
...shall not be infringed(.)
That little dot says it all. I don't think the founders wrote...shall not be infringe except for:
Columbus, Ohio