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Rand Paul Right on BP


While all the liberals, progressives and socialists are out in force trying to use the tragic accident on the oil rig Deepwater Horizon as an excuse to bash BP (NYSE:BP), business and the oil industry, Rand Paul is one of the few voices of sanity calling out from the political wilderness that the response of their demi-god Obama in saying he's going to keep his foot on the throat of BP is inappropriate and "un-American," and he's right of course.

The attempt to bring and demand perfection in any human endeavor, no matter what type it is is ridiculous and unattainable, as any sane, healthy and honest person will admit. All that happens when government steps in in the way Obama has is to make things more expensive and harder to do, and usually the endless number of regulations will have unintended consequences which do more harm overall than good.

Big government-loving liberals, progressives and socialists are now using this as an attempt to derail Rand Paul's run to be the senator from Kentucky because they know he will be one of their worst political nightmares, like his dad Ron Paul is, because he'll vote against the majority of the policies which only grow government larger, destroy the moral fabric of the nation, and turn more and more toward socialism and crony capitalism than ever before in our history.

All they're trying to do is paint Paul as a kook, because these kooks don't want to be found out for what they are, and as the tactics they use dictate to them, they never want to waste a tragedy or incident to further and promote their agenda.

They also know Rand Paul is highly popular in Kentucky, and leads their Democratic opponent as much as he led and beat his Republican opponent in the primary.

This is just noise and sound bites they're throwing out in a way they hope the public will start to believe based on nothing else than repetition.

Rand Paul is right about BP. The response is way over the top by the Obama administration and his media lapdogs, and BP is doing everything they can to stop the oil leak and start to clean it up.

What these people are doing is taking the opportunity to make so much noise that the idea of continuing to drill offshore oil will be disallowed. That's not going to happen, but that's part of their agenda.

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A boot heel on the neck of BP?

Looking for the Moral Equivalent of a President ... Still
Oil Wars Come Home to Roost ( excerpts)

It’s like shock and awe bounced back off the dark side of the moon. All the wealth and brains and power of the mighty American empire sucked into a vacuum of arrogant corruption and relayed back to earth in the form of a blob that will not be stopped until the death of it all finally sinks in. You call this stinking mess democracy?

A boot heel on the neck of BP? Is this how Democrats have come to brag about what real power feels like? The US Navy has a fleet of nuclear submarines that can erase all human life from the planet in 90 seconds or less but only BP can be trusted to lead the world when the water gets that deep? And even in this emergency the only thing that Constitutional authorities know how to do is look for some neck to stand on? No wonder even the birds have had enough of this nonsense. If it’s necks that count for power these days, I can tell you, even the birds are ready to go.

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"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

US approved 19 environmental drilling waivers since oil spill

On May 14, President Barack Obama announced that oil companies would no longer be given license to bypass environmental reviews of their drilling projects.

“We’re also closing the loophole that has allowed some oil companies to bypass some critical environmental reviews,” Obama said.

But in the month since the BP-run Deepwater Horizon (above right) exploded and collapsed into the sea, its drill site spewing an unending current of oil into the open ocean, the US government has granted at least 19 environmental waivers for gulf drilling projects and 17 drilling permits. Most are for deepwater drilling operations, similar to that conducted by the ill-fated rig.

"At least six of the drilling projects that have been given waivers in the past four weeks are for waters that are deeper — and therefore more difficult and dangerous — than where Deepwater Horizon was operating,"

While that rig, which was drilling at a depth just shy of 5,000 feet, was classified as a deep-water operation, many of the wells in the six projects are classified as “ultra” deep water, including four new wells at over 9,100 feet."

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Oil inspectors let companies fill in own audits

The agency in charge of overseeing the United States' oil reserves was plagued with gross mismanagement that in at least one case allowed the companies being inspected to fill in their own audit reports, an Inspector General's report will reportedly reveal this week.

Regulators overseeing oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico reportedly allowed oil company officials to fill in their own inspection reports. According to the internal probe being released this week, oil officials sketched out their answers in pencil and turned them over to federal oversight officials, who then traced their answers in pen.

"Currently, the Minerals Management Service, an arm of the Interior Department, is responsible for collecting more than $10 billion a year from oil and gas drilling and with enforcing laws and regulations that apply to drilling operations."


"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

Thank you Liberty Belle


but it's not just the Gulf of Mexico that has those deep water drilling operations Iran Iraq and other countries have them too - it's a global danger for oceans.

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Yes, and the point is

there is not just one direction to point the blame..the gov't agencies that are supposed to regulate safety are also at fault. And then who regulates the regulators? There is no way to insure 100% safety and sooner or later accidents are bound to happen, have happened and will happen again. This applies also to nuclear energy.
( Chernobyl, Three mile island)

It is rather naive to think that all were not aware of the risks but instead choose to take the risk. There is no guarantee of 100% safety in anything..usually, if something can go wrong..sooner or later it will!

"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd

I agree

every human venture has a degree of risk - take rasing chickens for example LOL
my friend Paul4won one of her 25 chickens had an accident(child stomped on a chicken)...happily hen's leg is all ok now and the poor creature can run up and down the hills again.

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Ya..haha..and along those

Ya..haha..and along those lines, my spiritual teacher once said that with every new great technological invention that comes into this world comes another way to die. LOL


A fox got half a dozen of mine a couple days ago, but I didn't need corporate identity and limited liability (or to make thousands of people dependent on me for specialized employment) to take on that risk.

We are all awash in the dark

We are all awash in the dark slime of corporations gone bad, and now we're paying the price for allowing these companies to dominate our media, our government and our entire economy.

If Rand Paul thinks that this is "American", then we should throw him into the Gulf along with the greed-minded corporate executives and see how far they can swim when they're coated with oil.


. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

Thanks for the link to Health Ranger's article

loved this part quote -
British Petroleum = Big Pharma = Big Food = Big Agriculture = the Military Industrial Complex.

It's all the same, folks. Do not be surprised that these criminal corporate operators are destroying our planet. They've been doing it for generations, and they absolutely will not stop unless We the People make them stop through force (by having these people arrested and imprisoned, for example).

but please calm down in regards to Rand's opinion.

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I'll try

to calm down, but it's only for you, LL. I will unfortunately still have my reservations about Rand Paul.

. @ @ . Power to the People!
@ O @ -----> PEOPLE
. @ @ . NOT Corporate Entities!

why can't he be WRONG on BP

why can't he be WRONG on BP and a provision in the Civil Rights Act on 1964 and be RIGHT on the wars? Ron Paul already laid out the four most important issues, and Nader and McKinney are better than Rand in those issues.

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BP tries to do the right thing environmentally...


'BP has been a major contributor to a Conservancy project aimed at protecting Bolivian forests. In 2006, BP gave the organization 655 acres in York County, Va., where a state wildlife management area is planned. In Colorado and Wyoming, the Conservancy has worked with BP to limit environmental damage from natural gas drilling.'

This is just one example of how BP tries to be environmentally sensitive, as this article describes their relationship with the Nature Conservancy.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

It's the image and language that's Un-American:

"If you want a vision of the future, Winston, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever." - 1984

It sets a dangerous precedent when the government can start bullying businesses. Even more so when they feel able to be more direct and open about it.

rucdelaspook: Now THIS is what Rand was trying to say.

Rand wasn't defending BP so much as trying to make this point that you so nicely pointed out. For those here that have been interviewed by the media, things hardly ever come out right when you're rushing through Q&A, and misinterpretations are the norm.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

They keep putting words in his mouth...

who will hold them accountable? >:(

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Not only do I disagree with the thrust of the article, I disagree with the namecalling.

"While all the liberals, progressives and socialists are out in force..." That's a good cue that the author is out not for understanding, but out for division & a fight.

BP is responsible. Accidents happen, but when they do, there are consequences. There is no such thing as "limited liability" in life, and there should be none for BP. If it bankrupts their owners, shareholders, bondholders - so be it.

Their liability should not be capped by the government, nor should they hide behind the cloak of "limited liability." The problem is that corporations are more powerful than the government. They've taken over the government and are in complete control through their puppet congress critters.

I will never defend BP, or any "limited liability" corporation. Limited liability means that taxpayers eventually pick up the tab, just like with everything else.

He's the man.

MN: Have you already determined that BP ...

will NOT pick up the entire bill for clean up & damages?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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Prince William Sound 20 Years Later

How do you compensate for collapsed ecosystems with FRNs?

Prince William Sound 20 Years Later

AMY GOODMAN: And so, what happened to the herring industry? How extensive was it?

RIKI OTT: Well, the salmon and the herring both collapsed, because they were spawned on these beaches, these oiled beaches. Salmon—and this was ’92, ’93. This is delayed, delayed harm. Salmon gradually came back, but herring never did. And this is a huge problem, not only for the ecosystem, but also for the economy. Herring are the main forage fish of the ecosystem of the Prince William Sound, so whales, sea lions, seabirds, everything depends on herring. Without herring, realistically, we can’t expect the sound to recover. And what the scientists are saying now is they have no idea how long it will take for herring to recover.

Meanwhile, the herring fisheries are closed indefinitely. Indefinitely. So the permits that—we pay a limited price for a limited entry permit. It’s kind of like buying a home. It’s a big price, and you take out a debt, a loan, and then you pay it back every year based on your fishing income. And zero—it’s zero income for herring fishermen. So they have incurred a huge debt on this permit. And it’s really the debt that’s eating us alive now—$300,000. And these permits are worth now about $15,000. I mean—

AMY GOODMAN: The mayor committed suicide?

RIKI OTT: One of our mayors, right after the spill, he did, and it was 1993, when the fish runs were collapsing. And I literally—I call that year as bad as it gets. Up to that point, we had been victims. We had been waiting for Exxon to pay us. Exxon promised to make us whole. You know, “You’re lucky you have Exxon.” We hadn’t even gone to court by 1993. We had fish run collapses, bankruptcies, divorces, suicides, you know, domestic violence spikes, substance abuse spikes. The town was just unraveling. And we were waiting for somebody to help us: the State of Alaska, the federal government, the court system, Exxon. Nobody. And—


Question: The same thing will happen in the Gulf. How can BP make up for such consequences with FRNs?

Maximize profits, externalize costs. That is the simply built into the nature of the limited liability corporate structure. Nothing "personal" against BP.

He's the man.
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There is no way they can

Put nature back to its pristine condition, compensate every fisherman, every business owner, every homeowner, every person who gets sick?

They don't have the capability to do that.

Their "liability" is capped at $75 million by the Federal government. They may bump that to $10 billion, but even that won't be enough. Their "liability" is further capped by the "limited liability" corporate structure.

He's the man.

I don't see that from the article you linked...

on the contrary, BP says they will pay the bills regardless of the cap.

We're already lynching BP without giving them a chance to do the right thing here, aren't we?

I do agree there should be no liability cap, and if you can't stomach the potential bills you shouldn't be drilling in the first place.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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"Giving them the chance?"

Why would they or should they want to?

It is the nature of a corporation to maximize profits and minimize costs. The way they do that is to externalize as many costs as possible. There is no moral obligation to a corporation beyond that.

It is not in their interest to 'make it right' - only in their interest to make it look like they've made it right so they can keep maximizing profits.

Not all costs can be measured in FRNs.

He's the man.

"Why would they or should they want to? "

BP has plenty of reason to want to do the right thing and step up to the plate. They care about their public image, and have donated hundreds of millions to environmental causes, such as the Nature Conservancy.

They have many thousands of Americans working for them in this country, people like you and me, that genuinely care what is happening.

My point is that most people here have already convicted BP of not doing the right thing, when the story is far from over.

Unfortunately, like when somebody is killed in a car accident, all you can do is compensate with money, or maybe some public service. You can't bring back the dead, and the accident has happened. BP just might step up to the plate and do what they can... give them that chance before you crucify them.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

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They are structurally incapable

That is just the nature of the corporate form.

They key is in what you said. They care about their image.

Image can be purchased with massive amounts of FRNs. The price of cleaning up that image is less than the price of actually cleaning up the damage. PR and advertising are just forms of image manipulation.

It is a simple cost/benefit calculation. It doesn't matter how well intentioned the people within the corporation are, their mandate is to maximize profits.

Again, nothing "personal" against BP. Just a simple business analysis.

He's the man.

well said Michael

the reason I posted this article was for balance -
one voice that defends Rand against hundreds of attack pieces I have seen over the last few days.

Do corporations like BP have too much power?
They can afford to hire often foreign lobbysts who do not care for the interests of America of its citizens...

Safety was compromised and BP has to pay the price.
Capitalism should not mean a free hand to bypass safety issues as Ralph Nader would point out.

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No. Rand misspoke and was not

well informed. BP is one of the global corporations that are protected and given special privileges by governments. Is it even considered a private company? Is Haliburton involved in the cleanup considered private?
The huge monstrosities pollute and take risks without fear of failure due to government crony status.

Obama was phony in his posturing about holding them fully responsible. The chemicals used in this "clean up" are themselves polluting far more and killing marine life and other biodiverse affected species.

BP should be out of business after this fail, along with Haliburton. Their corporate accounts should be emptied and used in full for clean up. And the clean up should be open to any non-polluting technology companies.

The capping problem is still unresolved. This industry should have a clear warning by the prosecution of companies responsible. And the rest of us need to look harder than before at our reliance on oil, its real costs, and the cancer of government corporatism.

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Government protectionism can take the bulk of the blame

The government protecting the profits of the oil companies now with this disaster at the expense of untold
livelihoods, ecological damage..etc..HEMP was being used for everything in internal combustion transportation except the engines. From HEMP a fuel is made for pennies a gallon that burns nearly as clean as LPG. This is my bitch. Government protecting these bastards for nearly 100 years, playing politics, screwing people with bullcrap stories about limited supplies of crude from overseas whereas the price per gallon might mean no food on your table...Peak oil...Who gives a flying FFF We've had the answer since before this country was founded...
Special oil interest, the pharmaceutical complex, chemical companies screwing you for years, now a disaster of epic proportions...I went to bed last night thinking about this oil spill and it was the first thing that I thought of when I woke up...I thought of stringing these oil people up off what's left of their oil rig and leaving them for the birds and the sharks.

Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow

Yes! Did you ever see this?

Watch video 2 at 18:00. Looks like they had the chance to kill healthcare and let it go. http://www.davidhorowitztv.com/restorationweekend/rw2009/272...