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Memorial Day Remembrance Post

I want to start a thread here on the Daily Paul this Memorial Day to reflect back and remember people close to us that have served or were lost in military conflict.

Whether you agree or not with the political aspect of these conflicts, we all had been touched by someone close to us that was pulled into the struggles of war.

So let me tell you about my Grand Father that served in WWII. As a young man he enlisted in the Navy. He was assigned to an LST Cargo ship hauling fuel and munitions. He was virtually on a floating bomb.

He participated in the D-Day invasion of Normandy although the story he told me about another incident really stuck out in my mind.

While traveling in a convoy through the Straights of Gilbralter, his convoy fell under attack from German Messerschmidt's. Their ships were being strafed and they were doing all they could to survive. Remember, he was on a floating fuel ship and was extremely frightened. He found God that day and told me he was on his knees praying they would make it when a plane dropped a torpedo which was closing in on his ship fast. He said miraculously the bomb did not explode and simply hit the ship and fell to the sea floor.

I really don't know the rest of the story only that they managed to repel the assault. He lived! and thank God for that because I am here today as his Grandson.

We lost him last May to heart failure. I will never forget his funeral with full military honors.

I remember you Grand Pa! You are my hero...

This one's for you ...

http://www.youtube.com/wa...

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YouTube pulled a great video

Tune linked below

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Was a cool video...Thanks for nothing Youtube!

Here is the tune no vid
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=46EF8CD0C3881708

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

This doesn't work either

I hate youtube

This is it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfzbjtrokQ

For Freedom!
The World is my country, all mankind is my brethren, to do good is my religion.

Two politically incorrect questions

1) Are we ever going to have a holiday commemorating and memorializing the noncombatants who've been killed in war?

2) Are we ever going to memorialize the combatants on the other side who've been forced to fight via conscription, but otherwise either had no desire to fight, or were victims of mass brainwashing?

I'm not going to question what "our heroes" have done in war, not even the questionable things, but I'm wondering if only "our heroes" are capable of being victims of war worthy of remembrance?

War is, with very few exceptions (late 18th century north america), a fight between two tyrants for territory. Everybody who is not a tyrant is a victim of war in one manner or another. At what point is one worthy of recognition?

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

many people remember . . .

anyone they care about who has died, in any way. Children lost too young to disease or accident, long-gone parents.

I know that I do.

I also have taken time to reflect on all the people who lost their liberty in camps, especially when death occurred, such as the Japanese here in the U.S., the Dutch in southeast Asia during WWII, the lost and unaccounted for POWs and MIAs from U.S. military actions, the Japanese who were imprisoned in China (non-military, one I knew personally), Ukrainians killed en masse, refugees from Karelia, one I also knew personally. I'm sure I've forgotten some. I haven't met people from everywhere in the world. I mentioned Nagasaki and Hiroshima on another post; I had a friend who survived Hiroshima. I remember that some Jews living now believe that many of the most freedom-loving Jews were killed during WWII in concentration camps, and add to that religious and other minorities (Gypsies come to mind) the Third Reich didn't appreciate and the many crippled and disabled from all religions.

And other things I already mentioned in another post.

I think this is a very personal thing. I don't attend ceremonies on Memorial day, but I've never been a flag waver.

I remember even as a child wondering why there were celebrations--

it seemed that it was a way to make *us* feel better about things we ought not to feel better about or . . . to make ourselves feel that *we* were better than others; I don't know.

I just discovered a great quote:

"Patriotism is a word: and one that generally comes to mean either my country, right or wrong, which is infamous, or my country is always right, which is imbicile." Patrick O'Brian, and I have no idea who he is--should try to find out, but the quote fascinates me.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You are right about "heroes".

Nowadays all the government costumed bearers of arms are designated as heroes. If everyone is a hero then no one is. The word has no meaning anymore.

You almost got it.

Government costumed bearers of arms who FOLLOW ORDERS are called heroes. The few who refuse to carry out immoral orders or participate in wars of aggression are not called heroes in government or MSM circles. In other words, the few real heroes around today are called something else.

But you're COMPLETELY right about what government propaganda does to the language. Any time you want to know what's going on, listen to our President -- any of them since Reagan. Whatever he says, the opposite is likely true.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

Thank you~

God Bless!

Ron Paul is My President

A song

I was very moved heard this today.

http://www.joepugmusic.com/2010/05/memorial-day/

Phil. 4:13

My stepdad who is still going strong,

was a gunner on a bomber in WWII. He was shot down behind enemy lines and they were taken care of by Italian citizens.
He doesn't talk about it much as he just felt he was doing his duty to his country, and he doesn't like to have any fuss made about it.
One opinion he has--and I wouldn't think of discussing it with him, is that he thought the bombs dropped on Japan were necessary, because without them, mure U.S. soldiers would have been killed.
He had a dairy farm, and he could have been exempt from the war, but his younger brother was drafted, so my dad enlisted wanting to do what he could to help.
He sold his cows and when he got home after the war he couldn't afford to buy a dairy again.

your stepfather's "opinion" is the official . . .

word that all Americans were told. I was told that by my parents, and I've heard it by many from that era, whether or not they were involved in the military during that time.

It is the official stance, and, as with so many people now who believe the 'official' word--

isn't correct, but I don't think there are very many humans who haven't been deceived at least once in *their* lives; it is part of being human.

Even the most liberty-loving among that generation, for the most part, find it difficult to understand some of the things that succeeding generations understand. Many of those people were very good people, too. *I* don't condemn them for believing what they were told. *My* responsibility is to change things for my children, so that they can always have clear vision and know the truth.

Having said that, the WWII generation (a civic generation) were good at making sacrifices. Whatever we think of those who misled them, they were good at that--and there were many noble ones among them; so many of them are gone now--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Good

words.

We have the tools at hand to find out what is true--

The generation before us did not, and I don't believe it would be kind to try to set them straight at this point in time.
Our generation has been deceived into thinking, "It is better to fight them over there than it is to fight them here" so we must do what we can to make people see the deceit in that.

You are right--- "*My* responsibility is to change things for my children, (and grandchildren) so that they can always have clear vision and know the truth."

Remembrance

Thanks for the uplifting vid ... I have to get to and see somewhere exotic one of these days before all hell breaks loose.

RIP to your Grand Pa - I am glad for him he found the Lord.

Lord - Please forgive us...we have all sinned and are all sinners in your eyes.

donvino

As a kid back in the 1950's in Louisiana we did not celebrate

memorial day. I think it was considered a celebration cooked up by the North to remind the Confederates of their defeat.

I think this commemoration started after the Civil War to decorate the graves of those killed, principally graves of Union soldiers, and over the years has changed character to include honoring cannon fodder in other wars.

As generations in the South carrying the hatred of the Union have died off, even Southerners take the day off and wrap the US flag around themselves.

I find Memorial Day offensive. To my mind it is a celebration of warriors, most of whom did not even know why they were killing strangers. When people are willing to fight and kill based on what politicians tell them, I hardly think they should be honored; maybe they should be reviled instead.

There is a church in a local town that has a plaque with a list of local people who died in WWI. It say, "In honor of those who fought to bring us peace." I think this is the mentality of memorial day.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Memorial Day

I have no authorities at hand to quote, but can tell you with assurance that Memorial Day originated in the postbellum South. The idea of imitating it in the North is credited to Black Jack Logan, who experienced it when visiting Virgina. The story I recall is that in a town in Virginia, under the harsh "Reconstruction" military government, the people were forbidden to give any honor to participators in the alleged "rebellion". The people of the town, I forget which it was, had the annual custom of going "maying", i.e. going out to the country to gather mayflowers, and carrying the flowers back to town to decorate the church. According to my recollection of the story, the people the year after the war ended, in an act of spontaneous resistance, turned suddenly into the church yard rather than the church, and threw their flowers upon the graves of their Confederate dead. There being no practical way for the Yankees to prosecute them, it became an annual custom and spread throughout the state, and then the region. The day is celebrated, though on a slightly different date to distinguish it from the Yankee version, throughout the South, and today a battle flag is placed on each Confederate veteran's grave. In many, if not all, Southern states, "Confederate Memorial Day" is a legal holiday.

Agreed 100% , had I gone to Canada rather than Vietnam I would

be drinking Molson Golden rather than Shiner Bach and be feeling alot better about myself.
No wars gave you Liberty, only you can give youself Liberty.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Vacant holy days

It's interesting how a day set apart for any supposedly noble or religious purpose is called holy, hence the contraction; holiday.

When holidays are observed as events that change the flow of business, folks often plan their vacations in those times to go with the flow. They vacate because it's easy to do at that time, not because they necessarily care why anyone should call it holy.

Henry, you have written to honor the memory of the innocent who have died needlessly, simply because they found themselves among "people... willing to fight and kill based on what politicians tell them."

How do we wish someone a happy celebration of such wickedness?

How does a plaque on a church make it any less unholy?

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

I understand--

but I also feel that there is a double standard.

Many of those who died . . . did so against their will--

as in . . . they did not "choose" to go and fight--

so why should they be reviled?

I say this not in argument but in honest questioning.

Young people always have been and always will be easily used and manipulated, sadly--

it IS the elitists (globalists/banksters) who are at fault, not the young people.

Yes, many use that day to perpetuate the myth of war for peace--

but in *my* mind I think of all those who suffered, who were victims of the elitists--

all over the world, not just from America.

I think of the victims, including my friends who were drafted during Viet Nam and the German soldier an uncle of mine killed (which haunted my uncle the rest of his life; actually it made my uncle want to live a better life, because as he often said, "he had a family, too; I was no better than he; we were alike"; my uncle was not an aggressive man (a farmer), but he had been trained to shoot before he was shot; he often had nightmares about it)--

THESE are the reasons, in my mind, for Memorial Day--

I turn it into a time of remembering why wars should not be--

:(

while not blaming those who have been used, manipulated and cheated of the lives/years they could have had--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Conscripted soldiers

Should be pitied, and perhaps despised, but never admired. They have chosen to accept their own enslavement. Instead of fighting FOR freedom, they have chosen to surrender it. Conscripted soldiers have never fought for any kind of freedom except their rulers' "freedom" to murder anyone they want, anywhere in the world.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition by Larken Rose

We each cannot escape responsibility for our actions.

I agree with your well stated assessment, and offer it to 1988vote in response.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

"In honor of those who fought to bring us peace."

History has shown that their fights were waged for other reasons than peace or manumission or democracy or other high ideal.

That we have failed to protect them from this error clearly shows that there is much work to be done.

Does that totally discredit their honorable and honest service?

A memorial to our failure to protect these men would be a fitting counterpoint.

Free includes debt-free!

Thanks Henry, You stated how

Thanks Henry,
You stated how I feel but not because of growing up in the south...
I'm glad someone said it.

Dex, I really

enjoyed hearing about your grandpa. Thanks for starting this thread.

My dad was drafted into the navy in WWII, and served in the Pacific as a radar man 3rd class on the USS John Cabot. He was caught in Halsey's typhoon, and thought he was a goner. His ship was listing so badly back and forth they took water down the smokestack. His ship's radar people told Halsey's people the typhoon was there, but they wouldn't believe it, and a lot of men died.

He also survived his ship being kamakazied several times.

On a worse note, we have neighbors both of whose parents survived a Nazi concentration camp. My husband's uncle was one of General Patton's clerks, and was first to enter some of those camps after the war.

Pray for our boys who still sit in dark holes...!

Too bad there is little to no mention of the missing veterans, by most cartoons and speeches about Memorial Day!

Those boys who still sit in dark holes around the world... like 'Kelly', the back seat'er for Capt. 'Red' McDaniels who was returned in 1975.

We always thought the back-seaters had been taken by Moscow, and sure enough, in the late 1980's, Kelly's ID card came across the border of the former southern Soviet Union.

Sure enough again a request to the government of Russia revealed 41 matches with MIA names from Nam, in their prisons, including Kelly!

Russia offered their return. The offer lasted one day!

The powers that be in the USA told Russia to clam up and not mention it again. The news carried the story one day!... then buried it!

'Kelly' and the rest still sit in prisons in Russia.

There are many more we knew of in South East Asia also... by name... and location!

But, apparently we do not want them home... they would embarrass the powers that be...

the powers that have been for so long...

the powers that continue to create tyranny 'back home'!

What would the change be for them if they did get back to their families and home...

...for whom they have wept for so many years?!

Will we ever have the chance to ask them?!

Let's see... Historical fact also: 15,000 American boys, taken from German POW camps by the Russians, intentionally left to slave in the Soviet gulag by Eisenhower and Britain, against the lone voice of Gen. Patten, who died suddenly.

I guess it's only a few more to add to the total.

Likely only the families will notice and cry!

We have wept for decades.

When will an American Statesman president be elected and put an end to this nightmare?!

Many are willing... but few have been saved!

This is the greatest SIN of America!

thank you for the reminder--

another tragedy.

I knew there were still MIAs, but I didn't know all of what you said, and I appreciate being told.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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in honor of the universal soldiers

One of the most memorable moments at Sept. 2, 2008 Minneapolis Rally for the Republic was Aimee Allen's "Universal Soldier", which she sang in response to Ron Paul's special request. She, in turn, dedicated this performance to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3l0sBNBQBk (after "Ron Paul song" @ 4:20)

A couple of weeks ago I had my personal moment of connecting two of the universal soldiers, when I delivered a 68 years old WWII Japanese flag signed by 61 names of family members and friends to send off "Takahashi-kun" to the war front to the son and daughter-in-law of "Takahashi-kun". The flag was found at Iwo-jima by an American marine (Third Marine Division), who kept it throughout his very private life as a recluse until his recent death.

In this case the young soldiers on both sides survived the war. The son of the Japanese soldier could find the hand-written signature (in calligraphic brush strokes) of his birth mother, who passed away very soon after his birth. This offered the occasion for the most intimate encounter he had with his birth mother.

-y

Arigato

Arigato arigato gozaimasu domo arigato gozaimashita...

Thank-you, for the action on your part, as well as the relation for us!

. . . .

"watakushi mo"--*waving my hand in gratitude*

and to the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki . . .

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Memorial day

For me it represents one of the greatest losses in my life that put me on a path of music recognition.

I had a foster brother that played the drums in his fathers local,rural,pub.I would sit on his lap as a 5 year old child and hold the sticks,He would show me every stroke and why it was important to use Brushes or sticks with certain types of music.

I was to the point I could sit and play by myself at the age of 6 years old.I will never forget the time he was after my aunt and ran through the sliding glass door.That is what he gets for chasing someone smarter than him.

Tommy was then drafted in to the army during Vietnam and left our small rural community to go serve his country,After a few months he was killed as a gunner on a troop transport,The VC had figured out how to block the air conditioning HVAC with mud on the transport to make them open up and fight against incredible odds,and incredible numbers.

When our local community got the news,We were all devastated for several months,This is when I decided to make my quest to learn everything I could about percussion instruments of all types.

I succeeded when I acquired the John Phillip Sousa award as a Senior in High School,By this time,With his soul and inspiration,I pushed myself to become very good at not only every percussion instrument made,I was very good at bass guitar,Rhythm Guitar,Piano,And all those strange instruments you find from all over the world.But like Tommy,My voice was bad and not worth listening to.

Just before he went he told me I wish someone would hear what I have to say,And then he was gone.

I have been trying since to to make my voice stronger and better in the hopes that someone will hear me,as for Tommy he sent his message for all of us to hear,Yet did we?

I love you and miss you Tommy!and will remember you forever.
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