Rand Paul: "I'm not a libertarian"
Submitted by atrickpay on Sun, 05/30/2010 - 02:59"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00....
I'm glad he's honest on this issue...unlike people like Bob Barr.
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The Important take-away any link with libertarian
EQUALS LOSER, LOSS
Avoid it like the plague if you ever truly wish to get your LIBERTY back.
Plus it is extra special poison with older and Republicans.
Hmmm, no wonder we can't get anywhere with those folks but Rand gets them in droves.
Yeah, anyone interested in WINNING better learn this MOST important lesson on how to WIN and learn it fast.
Besides, what have libertarians done for us. Oh yeah, they have tried to sabotage us at every turn.
The establishment always trying to label us as something we are not to destroy us:
Isolationist
libertarian
etc.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I say Potato, you say Potato
Rand calls himself a "Constitutional Conservative".
Constitutional conservative = Libertarian.
Bottom line, Rand believes in limited government. Period.
He has my vote in 2016... 2012 is for his father.
My biggest concern is Rand's
My biggest concern is Rand's potential support for the "sanctions game".
I understand the immense pressure from the WORLD on sanctions but I tell you what. What's going on in Iran has PROVEN TO ME the dangers of sanctions.
Sanctions are an act of war.
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Well, he kind of is
Well, he kind of is alibertarian. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
The thing with conservatives, is that they have a strong tradition of being pro-states's rights. But, TYPICALLY, they've supported state action for certain things. Federally, they're not as averse to war as the Pauls.
At the state level, they generally support ideas like prayer in schools, banning gay marriage, banning abortion, etc. etc. Historically, they supported segregation, etc.
They've always maintained that the Federal government CAN'T do many things, but that the States can and SHOULD do many things.
Rand and Ron agree with the first idea about limiting Federal power (and even then they probably are a bit more extreme), and while they acknowledge the RIGHT of the states to do what they want, they think that the states SHOULD NOT do those things.
In addition, the whole property-rights/your-own-body angle is strictly libertarian in nature. Conservatism has always been about promoting the family unit, small america, cultural values, etc.
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This is very important to keep in mind at this critical time in
our quest for the nomination and the White House.
Rand won the parties nomination and won the second most important office for the LIBERTY movement!
Rand knows how to deal with the establishments attempts to smear us with that very tainted term.
That is the way it is done.
Do Not Tolerate it any more than you would tolerate any other attempts to link us with any Negative.
Isolationist
libertarian
etc.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Transcription Error?
Did he mean "libertarian" or "Libertarian"?
The first is a person with a preference for small government and individual freedom, and the second is a member of the political party or person registered to vote as one.
You don't have to be a libertarian to be a Libertarian. The only requirement to join the party is to pledge not to use force for political or social change. That means, you won't use government to force people to live by your values, for example.
Thus, both conservatives like Ron Paul, and liberals, and even Bob Barr, can become Libertarians, politically, joining together to defend each's rights to be what they want to be. Freedom brings us together.
What do you think? http://consequeries.com/
I am a conservative when
I am a conservative when talking to Republicans and a libertarian when talking to Democrats or Independents. Rand is talking to Republicans, so he should label himself as conservative.
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Maybe its a good thing that the Libertarian Party....
...is going to run a candidate against Rand.
Maybe that will help him distance himself from the turkeys that are running the LP and any "Libertarians" stupid or corrupt enough that they can't see he is one of the best things to happen to American politics since his dad ran for president.
Why do you think the MSM ALWAYS uses "libertarian" to describe any Constitutional conservative running for office?
Do you think it is out of respect for the "Libertarian" brand?
Are they compelled by their journalistic integrity?
No, they know that the "L" word is a liability for any candidate running for office in the United States.
It ALWAYS loses more votes than it gains.
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BINGO! Part of the plan.
BINGO! Part of the plan. Finally, some more DPers are seeing the endgame!! Thanks space!
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Ron Paul is the man who
Ron Paul is the man who turned me on to Libertarian ideas and now fellow supporters of his continue to insult my current party at every disagreement.
They want to blindly believe that everything from the mind and seed of Ron Paul is a perfect candidate of liberty, wrapped up in a neat little ribbon of Constitutional authority.
I voted for Rand Paul. I plan to vote for him again in November, but in no way do I believe that he is the mirror image of his father. There is way too much pandering to the Tea Party and national media to which Ron Paul would never fall victim.
I'm at the point now were I now find myself waiting to see how Rand Paul votes to know exactly where he stands on the issues. Not once did I have to do that with his father. He's been repeating and voting the same messages for decades, regardless of how unpopular they may be. I expected nothing less of Rand.
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Rand,
I have supported you with multiple donations and still do, but don't try to distance yourself too far from the base of your support.
Remember the old song "Dead skunk in the middle of the road" ( he wouldn't look left and he wouldn't look right)
Jim Rogers
Come on all you bad Individuals that want freedom
you don't need no Individual Freedom.
Look if you do not like the Dem or Rep corral we made for you we have a nice little corral over here for "REBELS".
Look it even has Liber in its' name.
Go on now, get in and study your "little Red Book" of non-collectivist COLLECTIVE thought.
ROMPER ROOM is over kiddies.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
Wow So Thats Whats Been Stopping Ron...An Albatross
Thanks for the clarification there Rand...
http://www.dailypaul.com/152976/diebold-vs-paper-ballots
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http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.hulu.com/hacking-democracy
Of course being called a LIBERTARIAN is an albatross
it is a slur and rightly so. The idea of a FACTION that is FOR Individual Liberty is absurd on its' face.
Actually, it is wrong to call the Libertarian Party an Albatross-that is a slur to an Albatross. An Albatross does eventually take flight.
The Libertarian Party is more like a fresh turd that just sits there steaming and stinking up the place.
Signed an Individual-That has no nor needs a leader.
Who is leading you thomas?
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
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I do however support people that are Constitutionally correct. But have no "leader"...
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http://www.ncel.w4sp.com/
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://www.votefraud.org/
http://www.hulu.com/hacking-democracy
Constitutional Republican
is what Rand describes himself as,
it sounds good I just hope his actions
meet the Constitution when elected.
"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "
He's right. Strictly
He's right. Strictly speaking, he has been influenced by libertarian ideas, but he is not a Libertarian.
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Libertarianism like Capitalism is another "hijacked" term.
Libertarianism was first used by social-anarchists -- period! Back in the 1800's
It wasn't used by Austrians 'till the 1950's.
Capitalism was coined and defined by Marx in the mid 1800's.
It wasn't used by Austrians 'till the 1900's.
This is why I use Consumer-Sovereignty or Consumer-Individualism.
Community-Economics --> Consumer-Minarchism --> Consumer-Sovereignty.
*&^ Constitution --- Constitutional Rationality
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Bob, no need to bother Rand he is a busy man, busy taking our
country back from the criminals and the asylum inmates that enable them, besides anyone could easily answer your question about what kind of fool you are-a huge, pathetic one.
Good news though, while it is likely too late to cure you of that, we can moderate your symptoms. How?
Quit watching PTB dis-info agents like Mad Cow and Last Week with who ever is hosting this week.
Bob let me repeat that first part again because I know it helps you sleep well-Rand Paul is busy taking our country back.
That process is well on its' way-there is no stopping it now.
Have a good nights rest.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
I sleep very well, thank you...
knowing I support candidates who reflect my values, not a lightweight hypocrite who trades on his father's name, then trashes his father's positions.
Rand is this month's Scott Brown.
Do you adhere to Libertarian values Bob, is that your
problem with Rand-that he does not adhere close enough to your standards of libertarian thought?
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
No, my problem is that Rand marketed himself as....
being in general agreement with his father, when he actually seems more in general agreement with John McCain.
Judge a tree by its fruits.
I think a list of differences may be in order
This list would come from the experts on the said labels. I notice some of them making the mistake of talking about the LP(Libertarian Party), whereas the statement from rand says "libertarian". Note the small l. People newer here(and apparently some who aren't) may not be aware of the difference.
Next, it may be worth noting which ISSUES Rand differs from the big and small L's on. Sure they have been covered individually, but it wouldn't hurt to have them in one place, ye experts. That way some of us ignorant folks can decide whether or not it's important that he is still young and has time to be more of a small l libertarian.
Personally, I believe any move toward smaller government is good, although I can see the argument some are fostering that certain candidates are put up as a last ditch bandaid by the establishment... when the choice comes to revolution, or slow motion revolution. Maybe I'm thinking too much, but I certainly prefer that to the apparently more popular alternative. To clarify matters, I have both supported Rand with mouth/fingers, and wallet, if that helps any of you neatly label me and not attack me for sharing some of my own questions and thought processes.
Terminology is important, so much so that the Israeli government has hired "debate" organizations to help determine which words can be used and not used when arguing for Zionism. I've noticed the same things on here, which leads a thinking person to want to look deeper.
Important suppressed history:
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I thought people here believed in INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM
I thought this movement was about restoring our Constitution and taking back our GOV from the criminals that have stolen it.
The nice thing about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is it is very easy to understand.
No need to consult the LP "little Red Book".
No need to hear the pronouncements of LP "scholars" on the fine points of LP DOGMA????
Here is one that I really like about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM-
No need to stroke the egos of LP "scholars" as they pretend they are looking down their noses at us rubes that haven't spent years memorizing LP DOGMA from the LP "little Red Book".
Like I said INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is beautiful in its' simplicity-KISS-
I can throw my fist just short of your nose. SIMPLE.
Unfortunately, we have a bumper crop of LP "little Red Book" toting LP "scholars"
working under cover of "libertarian" DOGMA??? trying to subvert the only INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM movement that is going anywhere.
Hello, LP collective fifth columnists!!
Special shout out to E.D. if he is in the house!!
Of course, what do I know, I am just a rube that is not wise in the ways of the LP "little Red Book".
Perhaps there are others here that think we should follow the counsel of the wise LP "scholars" so we might match their amazing record of success in advancing the cause of freedom. They have been (supposedly) working on that since what, 1971.
Thank God for the LP creating the wonderful free country we now enjoy.
What have us foolish rubes accomplished that listen to that guy Ron Paul with the, all of, three plus years we have been working to advance INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.
All we have to show for that is making Ron Paul a household name, making the GOP and GOP BIG MEGA mouthpieces start talking about the Constitution, have gotten the son of Ron Paul to be the nominee for a US Senate seat with articles speculating about how he could use that as a spring board, Obama like, to POTUS, etc., etc...
Yeah, we best stop considering the counsel of Ron Paul and start following the advice of LP "scholar" screen names on the tubes.
"You are a den of vipers and thieves."
I mean to rout you out!
-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us
-The door is wide open, anything can slither in
No, many people believe in
No, many people believe in freedom and the constitution so long as it meets their agenda. I have seen many take the constitution out of context to try and suit their own opinion. This is also done most times in quoting the bible as well.
LOL
LP fifth columnists is exactly what they are...
F the Libertarian Party
The Libertarian Party has shown themselves as enemies of the Constitution when they openly infiltrated meet-ups with the goal of hurting Dr. Pauls chances of winning the Republican nomination "in hopes of him taking the Libertarian nomination” - then they nominated ex-federal prosecutor, ex-CIA Bob Barr!!!
Libertarian ideas are ok, but the ‘Libertarian Party’ is S#!+
Labels are useful
when they mean something. Unfortunately, most political labels are near to worthless. If someone identifies himself as a liberal or a conservative or a democrat or a republican -- does it give you a clue as to what his position is on abortion, "preventive" wars, drug legalization, immigration, or any other issue? It does not. Given the nature of the political process, this is not surprising: all politicians try to use whatever labels carry a positive connotation in voters' minds, regardless of their actual principles.
Until rather recently, the "libertarian" label still stood for a clearly defined set of principles, largely because the Libertarian brand-name has not been sufficiently attractive to voters to prompt politicians to apply it to themselves.
In 2008, the Libertarian Party essentially scrapped its principles and tried to turn itself into one more mainstream political party. It didn't work, and now the label stands for nothing. So I don't much mind that Rand Paul doesn't label himself a libertarian.
I DO mind that he seems to support an interventionist foreign policy. I DO mind that he doesn't favor drug legalization. I DO mind that he will not stand up for the rights of the people our government has locked up in Guantanamo. If Rand Paul doesn't stand for peace and liberty and every damn bit of the Bill of Rights, F*CK him. I donated some money to his campaign, early on, and I bitterly regret it.
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Dabooda, YES. I also "DO mind that. . .
he seems to support an interventionist foreign policy. I DO mind that he doesn't favor drug legalization. I DO mind that he will not stand up for the rights of the people our government has locked up in Guantanamo."
I will definitely weigh these vital concerns against any positive contributions he may bring to the Senate. It also depends on who he is running against. Is he an overall better candidate than his opponent?
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Now, I have to check how Kokesh is faring. Is he still keeping his principled stance on these vital issues? Is he still "worthy of our donations"? ;-)