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Rand Paul: "I'm not a libertarian"

"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00....

I'm glad he's honest on this issue...unlike people like Bob Barr.

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One can be a libertarian without being a Libertarian

and vice versa.

It's sometimes difficult to discern which is meant when spoken, and perhaps that is by design in this instance.

Rand has my vote

I looked away from his actions a couple years ago when I figured out he was nothing to worry about, he has our backs. Wish others would find better bones to pick than Rand, but to each his own, I choose to put my energy where it is truly needed.

Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must. like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it.-Thomas Paine

The R3volution requires action, not observation!!!!

Most of them are still butt

Most of them are still butt hurt about "the endorsement"

Wow. Ancient thread much?

Wow. Ancient thread much?

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Who believes that Rand in not the one?

Neo believed that he wasn't the one either.



I like it. Two thumbs up :)

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

Duh! I've been saying this

Duh! I've been saying this all along. Neither was his father.

Just curious...

Which Libertarian ideals does Rand or his father not agree with?

The media along with the help of Republicans and Democratic ...

political operatives and propagandist have done an excellent job of brainwashing the sheep into believing that Libertarians are a bunch of unbathed pot-smoking hippy anarchist that have only one political objective, legalize marijuana.

To me, when I hear people speak of Libertarians that way, it only means one of two things, A) your clueless and weak by allowing the MSM to fool you or B) you know better but go along with negative characterization because you're too weak to debate the truth of Libertarian ideology.

Bottom line, you're weak and unfortunately for the country, we have too many weak voters.

True, Libertarians have won little in political elections but look how far this country has fallen by voting Republican or Democrat. In other words, you have blood on your hands and you are partly responsible for our sad economic state as well as our police state. Not me.

Rand can say he's not Libertarian but I doubt he can tell you where he differs with our ideology. And please, for those that think they can, prepare yourself for an online back and forth. I'd love to have it. I think it's time I wake you up.

Article from the blaze about

Article from the blaze about the times interview.


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I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Still wearing labels?

Truth will set you free..

"Hell is empty, and all the devils are here" (Shakespeare)
RP 2012~ Intellectual Revolution.

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Why do they accuse him of being one?

The Important take-away any link with libertarian


Avoid it like the plague if you ever truly wish to get your LIBERTY back.

Plus it is extra special poison with older and Republicans.

Hmmm, no wonder we can't get anywhere with those folks but Rand gets them in droves.

Yeah, anyone interested in WINNING better learn this MOST important lesson on how to WIN and learn it fast.

Besides, what have libertarians done for us. Oh yeah, they have tried to sabotage us at every turn.

The establishment always trying to label us as something we are not to destroy us:


"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I guess Ron Paul didn't learn to win according to you.

Better to lie and win than tell the truth. We love it when politicians do that. The end always justifies the means.

Besides it was Libertarians that changed the rules at the RNC. Yeah, we've been stopping you at every turn. It was us.

FYI- many Libertarians supported Ron Paul and we're glad to hear a Republican deliver our message. We welcome any Republican that wants to support our ideology even if they want to change the label to their own brand.

More power to you and Godspeed. You can count on my vote. Sometimes you have to be the devil to beat the devil. I get it.

I say Potato, you say Potato

Rand calls himself a "Constitutional Conservative".

Constitutional conservative = Libertarian.

Bottom line, Rand believes in limited government. Period.

He has my vote in 2016... 2012 is for his father.

Constitutional Conservative doesn't equal libertarian

I agree with my fellow Zoomie, sethr11. Libertarians believe in maximum free will. Constitutional conservatives believe that the government has the constitutional authority to control monetary policy. That sure doesn't sound like "maximum free will" to me.

I have respect for Rand, but he's not a libertarian. Has has some libertarian leanings, but he's proven that he doesn't believe in maximum free will.

Myself being a Constitutional

Myself being a Constitutional Conservative does not believe the government has authority to control monetary policy. Actually I see it as unconstitutional.

I agree.

I would go one step further and take down a few other amendments as well.

You sound like someone with

You sound like someone with battered woman syndrome. The guy slaps you across the face, and you still love him. I disagree with your mathematical equation.

My biggest concern is Rand's

My biggest concern is Rand's potential support for the "sanctions game".

I understand the immense pressure from the WORLD on sanctions but I tell you what. What's going on in Iran has PROVEN TO ME the dangers of sanctions.

Sanctions are an act of war.

I thought I read somewhere

I thought I read somewhere that he voted for the sanctions and inserted a clause or an amendment barring any preemptive strikes. I could be wrong but it's worth looking into.

Well, he kind of is

Well, he kind of is alibertarian. Not that there is anything wrong with that!

The thing with conservatives, is that they have a strong tradition of being pro-states's rights. But, TYPICALLY, they've supported state action for certain things. Federally, they're not as averse to war as the Pauls.

At the state level, they generally support ideas like prayer in schools, banning gay marriage, banning abortion, etc. etc. Historically, they supported segregation, etc.

They've always maintained that the Federal government CAN'T do many things, but that the States can and SHOULD do many things.

Rand and Ron agree with the first idea about limiting Federal power (and even then they probably are a bit more extreme), and while they acknowledge the RIGHT of the states to do what they want, they think that the states SHOULD NOT do those things.

In addition, the whole property-rights/your-own-body angle is strictly libertarian in nature. Conservatism has always been about promoting the family unit, small america, cultural values, etc.

Plan for eliminating the national debt in 10-20 years:

Overview: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2010/09/12/my-plan-for-reducin...

Specific cuts; defense spending: http://rolexian.wordpress.com/2011/01/03/more-detailed-look-a

This is very important to keep in mind at this critical time in

our quest for the nomination and the White House.

Rand won the parties nomination and won the second most important office for the LIBERTY movement!

Rand knows how to deal with the establishments attempts to smear us with that very tainted term.

That is the way it is done.

Do Not Tolerate it any more than you would tolerate any other attempts to link us with any Negative.




"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Transcription Error?

Did he mean "libertarian" or "Libertarian"?

The first is a person with a preference for small government and individual freedom, and the second is a member of the political party or person registered to vote as one.

You don't have to be a libertarian to be a Libertarian. The only requirement to join the party is to pledge not to use force for political or social change. That means, you won't use government to force people to live by your values, for example.

Thus, both conservatives like Ron Paul, and liberals, and even Bob Barr, can become Libertarians, politically, joining together to defend each's rights to be what they want to be. Freedom brings us together.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

I am a conservative when

I am a conservative when talking to Republicans and a libertarian when talking to Democrats or Independents. Rand is talking to Republicans, so he should label himself as conservative.

Ventura 2012

Maybe its a good thing that the Libertarian Party....

...is going to run a candidate against Rand.

Maybe that will help him distance himself from the turkeys that are running the LP and any "Libertarians" stupid or corrupt enough that they can't see he is one of the best things to happen to American politics since his dad ran for president.

Why do you think the MSM ALWAYS uses "libertarian" to describe any Constitutional conservative running for office?

Do you think it is out of respect for the "Libertarian" brand?
Are they compelled by their journalistic integrity?

No, they know that the "L" word is a liability for any candidate running for office in the United States.

It ALWAYS loses more votes than it gains.

The Virtual Conspiracy

BINGO! Part of the plan.

BINGO! Part of the plan. Finally, some more DPers are seeing the endgame!! Thanks space!

Columbus, Ohio

His father should run on the

His father should run on the Libertarian ticket and drop out once he gets the Repub nomination.

It would be great publicity :D

"You only live free if your willing to die free."

Ron Paul is the man who

Ron Paul is the man who turned me on to Libertarian ideas and now fellow supporters of his continue to insult my current party at every disagreement.

They want to blindly believe that everything from the mind and seed of Ron Paul is a perfect candidate of liberty, wrapped up in a neat little ribbon of Constitutional authority.

I voted for Rand Paul. I plan to vote for him again in November, but in no way do I believe that he is the mirror image of his father. There is way too much pandering to the Tea Party and national media to which Ron Paul would never fall victim.

I'm at the point now were I now find myself waiting to see how Rand Paul votes to know exactly where he stands on the issues. Not once did I have to do that with his father. He's been repeating and voting the same messages for decades, regardless of how unpopular they may be. I expected nothing less of Rand.


I have supported you with multiple donations and still do, but don't try to distance yourself too far from the base of your support.
Remember the old song "Dead skunk in the middle of the road" ( he wouldn't look left and he wouldn't look right)

Jim Rogers