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Rand Paul: "I'm not a libertarian"

"They thought all along that they could call me a libertarian and hang that label around my neck like an albatross, but I'm not a libertarian," - http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1972721,00....

I'm glad he's honest on this issue...unlike people like Bob Barr.

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Come on all you bad Individuals that want freedom

you don't need no Individual Freedom.

Look if you do not like the Dem or Rep corral we made for you we have a nice little corral over here for "REBELS".

Look it even has Liber in its' name.

Go on now, get in and study your "little Red Book" of non-collectivist COLLECTIVE thought.

ROMPER ROOM is over kiddies.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Of course being called a LIBERTARIAN is an albatross

it is a slur and rightly so. The idea of a FACTION that is FOR Individual Liberty is absurd on its' face.

Actually, it is wrong to call the Libertarian Party an Albatross-that is a slur to an Albatross. An Albatross does eventually take flight.

The Libertarian Party is more like a fresh turd that just sits there steaming and stinking up the place.

Signed an Individual-That has no nor needs a leader.

Who is leading you thomas?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

No One gmason08

Constitutional Republican

is what Rand describes himself as,
it sounds good I just hope his actions
meet the Constitution when elected.

"Freedom is a right that can never be won in war,only by each individual "

He's right. Strictly

He's right. Strictly speaking, he has been influenced by libertarian ideas, but he is not a Libertarian.

Libertarianism like Capitalism is another "hijacked" term.

Libertarianism was first used by social-anarchists -- period! Back in the 1800's

It wasn't used by Austrians 'till the 1950's.

Capitalism was coined and defined by Marx in the mid 1800's.

It wasn't used by Austrians 'till the 1900's.

This is why I use Consumer-Sovereignty or Consumer-Individualism.

Community-Economics --> Consumer-Minarchism --> Consumer-Sovereignty.

Bob, no need to bother Rand he is a busy man, busy taking our

country back from the criminals and the asylum inmates that enable them, besides anyone could easily answer your question about what kind of fool you are-a huge, pathetic one.

Good news though, while it is likely too late to cure you of that, we can moderate your symptoms. How?

Quit watching PTB dis-info agents like Mad Cow and Last Week with who ever is hosting this week.

Bob let me repeat that first part again because I know it helps you sleep well-Rand Paul is busy taking our country back.

That process is well on its' way-there is no stopping it now.

Have a good nights rest.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

I sleep very well, thank you...

knowing I support candidates who reflect my values, not a lightweight hypocrite who trades on his father's name, then trashes his father's positions.

Rand is this month's Scott Brown.

Do you adhere to Libertarian values Bob, is that your

problem with Rand-that he does not adhere close enough to your standards of libertarian thought?

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

No, my problem is that Rand marketed himself as....

being in general agreement with his father, when he actually seems more in general agreement with John McCain.

Judge a tree by its fruits.

Rand Paul's beliefs

are closer to John McCains than Ron Pauls?

Laughable.

I think a list of differences may be in order

This list would come from the experts on the said labels. I notice some of them making the mistake of talking about the LP(Libertarian Party), whereas the statement from rand says "libertarian". Note the small l. People newer here(and apparently some who aren't) may not be aware of the difference.

Next, it may be worth noting which ISSUES Rand differs from the big and small L's on. Sure they have been covered individually, but it wouldn't hurt to have them in one place, ye experts. That way some of us ignorant folks can decide whether or not it's important that he is still young and has time to be more of a small l libertarian.

Personally, I believe any move toward smaller government is good, although I can see the argument some are fostering that certain candidates are put up as a last ditch bandaid by the establishment... when the choice comes to revolution, or slow motion revolution. Maybe I'm thinking too much, but I certainly prefer that to the apparently more popular alternative. To clarify matters, I have both supported Rand with mouth/fingers, and wallet, if that helps any of you neatly label me and not attack me for sharing some of my own questions and thought processes.

Terminology is important, so much so that the Israeli government has hired "debate" organizations to help determine which words can be used and not used when arguing for Zionism. I've noticed the same things on here, which leads a thinking person to want to look deeper.

I thought people here believed in INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM

I thought this movement was about restoring our Constitution and taking back our GOV from the criminals that have stolen it.

The nice thing about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is it is very easy to understand.

No need to consult the LP "little Red Book".

No need to hear the pronouncements of LP "scholars" on the fine points of LP DOGMA????

Here is one that I really like about INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM-

No need to stroke the egos of LP "scholars" as they pretend they are looking down their noses at us rubes that haven't spent years memorizing LP DOGMA from the LP "little Red Book".

Like I said INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is beautiful in its' simplicity-KISS-

I can throw my fist just short of your nose. SIMPLE.

Unfortunately, we have a bumper crop of LP "little Red Book" toting LP "scholars"
working under cover of "libertarian" DOGMA??? trying to subvert the only INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM movement that is going anywhere.

Hello, LP collective fifth columnists!!

Special shout out to E.D. if he is in the house!!

Of course, what do I know, I am just a rube that is not wise in the ways of the LP "little Red Book".

Perhaps there are others here that think we should follow the counsel of the wise LP "scholars" so we might match their amazing record of success in advancing the cause of freedom. They have been (supposedly) working on that since what, 1971.
Thank God for the LP creating the wonderful free country we now enjoy.

What have us foolish rubes accomplished that listen to that guy Ron Paul with the, all of, three plus years we have been working to advance INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM.

All we have to show for that is making Ron Paul a household name, making the GOP and GOP BIG MEGA mouthpieces start talking about the Constitution, have gotten the son of Ron Paul to be the nominee for a US Senate seat with articles speculating about how he could use that as a spring board, Obama like, to POTUS, etc., etc...

Yeah, we best stop considering the counsel of Ron Paul and start following the advice of LP "scholar" screen names on the tubes.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

No, many people believe in

No, many people believe in freedom and the constitution so long as it meets their agenda. I have seen many take the constitution out of context to try and suit their own opinion. This is also done most times in quoting the bible as well.

LOL

LP fifth columnists is exactly what they are...

F the Libertarian Party

The Libertarian Party has shown themselves as enemies of the Constitution when they openly infiltrated meet-ups with the goal of hurting Dr. Pauls chances of winning the Republican nomination "in hopes of him taking the Libertarian nomination” - then they nominated ex-federal prosecutor, ex-CIA Bob Barr!!!

Libertarian ideas are ok, but the ‘Libertarian Party’ is S#!+

hopefully that will change

it's still a young party. but will the rats who run the GOP ever change?
look what they did to dr. ron paul.
lew rockwell likened them to the mob.

Labels are useful

when they mean something. Unfortunately, most political labels are near to worthless. If someone identifies himself as a liberal or a conservative or a democrat or a republican -- does it give you a clue as to what his position is on abortion, "preventive" wars, drug legalization, immigration, or any other issue? It does not. Given the nature of the political process, this is not surprising: all politicians try to use whatever labels carry a positive connotation in voters' minds, regardless of their actual principles.

Until rather recently, the "libertarian" label still stood for a clearly defined set of principles, largely because the Libertarian brand-name has not been sufficiently attractive to voters to prompt politicians to apply it to themselves.

In 2008, the Libertarian Party essentially scrapped its principles and tried to turn itself into one more mainstream political party. It didn't work, and now the label stands for nothing. So I don't much mind that Rand Paul doesn't label himself a libertarian.

I DO mind that he seems to support an interventionist foreign policy. I DO mind that he doesn't favor drug legalization. I DO mind that he will not stand up for the rights of the people our government has locked up in Guantanamo. If Rand Paul doesn't stand for peace and liberty and every damn bit of the Bill of Rights, F*CK him. I donated some money to his campaign, early on, and I bitterly regret it.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

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Dabooda, YES. I also "DO mind that. . .

he seems to support an interventionist foreign policy. I DO mind that he doesn't favor drug legalization. I DO mind that he will not stand up for the rights of the people our government has locked up in Guantanamo."

I will definitely weigh these vital concerns against any positive contributions he may bring to the Senate. It also depends on who he is running against. Is he an overall better candidate than his opponent?

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Now, I have to check how Kokesh is faring. Is he still keeping his principled stance on these vital issues? Is he still "worthy of our donations"? ;-)

Good cop/ bad cop -- the system sucks.

Yes, I'm sure Rand has more "positives" going for him than his opponent does. On economic issues, at least, he seems to take after his dad. But all I'm seeing is a new twist on the old good-cop, bad-cop routine, where the Republicans give lip service to economic freedoms while trashing civil liberties, and the Democruds trash economic freedoms while giving lip service to civil liberties. And NEITHER party actually increases our liberties in any meaningful way -- ever. As Larken Rose puts it in his book THE IRON WEB, voting only allows you to say which of two slave-masters you'd rather be owned by.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

This is one of the funnier back door attacks on Ron Paul's

Judgment, one of the formula attacks.

"I donated some money to his campaign, early on, and I bitterly regret it."

"DaBooda"

This formula is equivalent to the "I am leaving the DAILY PAUL forever because you will not bow to my will" posts

LOL

Hey LP "Scholar" purists, I thought it was against LP DOGMA to use coercion??

Statements like the one above sure sound coercive to me.

But what do I know, I am just a rube trying to work toward a GOV that respects INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, as fast as possible, so that I can do what I like constrained only by me not limiting what you do that you like. I would like to see some evidence of getting to that point in my lifetime-which precludes the LP party going nowhere FOREVER approach.

Nothing would make me happier than a country where all the LP "scholars" can have whatever place they can afford to wax poetic about LP DOGMA and live forever and ever in LP Utopia Land-I think maybe that Michael Jackson property is available. If you purchased that, and considering the LP success record, you would not even have to change the name-NEVER NEVER LAND!!

Seriously, I really mean this-I would gladly give up a considerable part of my INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM, once RAND, RON and all of us that believe in, trust and understand them take the country back, so that LP "scholars" can have LP purist Utopia.

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Draw your own line in the sand.

And I'll draw mine. If you're comfortable with a government which imprisons people without charges being filed, denies them a right to a jury trial, tortures them and holds them indefinitely, how nice for you. You can support Rand Paul with a clear conscience.

I can't. Guess that makes me an impractical dreamer, in your book. But I don't think I'd care to read your book.

You're free to think I'm lying about having donated money to Rand's campaign. And I'm free to think you're an paranoid moron who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him. Evil libertarian subversive conspirators, ooh, scary. Like we don't have enough enemies.

As for my comment being an attack on Ron Paul's judgment -- Okay, it is. I think he values his son more than his son deserves. What father doesn't? But you do realize that, unlike his son, Ron is proud to call himself a libertarian?

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

Oh my god!!! This is terrible news!!

How can we advance our movement of Individual Liberty now that we cannot hitch a ride on the speeding LP collective train with their RIDGED DOGMA to advance INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM!!!

Sure comrade you can have Individual freedom with the LP as long as you strictly adhere to our pronouncements on every aspect of your life.

You can't make this stuff up.

LP plan for advancing their hopelessly stalled FACTION.

Go stall other movements. LOL

"You are a den of vipers and thieves."

I mean to rout you out!

-Just because you are among us, does not make you with us

-The door is wide open, anything can slither in

Rand Paul

I don't care what anybody calls themselves as long as they go to Washington and stop the crazy spending, and follow the constitution. Please let us have some real change that will support all the people instead of the corrupt banks. I was a democrat my whole life until I found Ron Paul. I registered as a republican just so I could vote for him. Do we really want freedom or do we just want to have a label. I hope Rand wins really really big. Show the criminals that we are awake and do have power.

the game

is rigged. i have no doubt the powers that be already know who the next prez will be, but that doesn't mean give up, hell no, continue to spread the libertarian message of ron paul. as he has said "there's no stopping us now"
it's an intellectual revolution that's growing everyday, and no one is going to take you into the light but yourself.

No Labels

Why does he need to label himself

Why?

Because unfortunately we live in a society that uses labels for everything, to help them categorize, marginalize, and asses people in their narrow TEEVEE soaked minds.

The Libertarian Party has become a joke, as far a public perception. The two party duopoly has played a central role. Bob Barr and associates didn't help either.

Too bad people can't make the connection that Libertarian comes from the word LIBERTY.

The reason Rand had to

The reason Rand had to distance himself from libertarianism was because he was being attacked for not being "a true conservative."

But if you look further back:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/05/04/im-very-seri...

Like his father, the son also favors notions of limited government. "Libertarian would be a good description," Rand Paul told CNN, "because libertarians believe in freedom in all aspects of your life – your economic life as well as your social life as well as your personal life."