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More Aid Ships Head for Gaza

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- The U.N. Security Council called early Tuesday for an "impartial" investigation of Israel's deadly commando raid on ships taking humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip and condemned the "acts" that resulted in the loss of at least nine lives.

After an emergency meeting and marathon negotiations that lasted nearly 12 hours, the 15 council members finally agreed on a presidential statement. It was weaker than what was initially demanded by the Palestinians, Arabs and Turkey because of objections by the United States, Israel's closest ally.

The Islamic nations had called for condemnation of Monday's attack by Israeli forces on the flotilla "in the strongest terms" and "an independent international investigation."

But the presidential statement that was finally agreed to and read at a formal council meeting instead called for "a prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards." And it only condemned "those acts" that resulted in deaths, without naming Israel.

The long and difficult negotiations were conducted primarily by the United States with Turkey and Lebanon, which are both non-permanent council members.

Turkey, which had been a close Muslim ally of Israel, used some of the harshest language against the Jewish state for launching the raid against the flotilla, which included a Turkish ferry on which nine pro-Palestinian activists were killed. Hundreds of activists - many of them Turkish - were taken from the ships to Israel.

Turkey's Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, whose country drafted the initial presidential statement, called the Israeli raid "banditry and piracy" on the high seas and "murder conducted by a state."

Palestinian U.N. observer Riyad Mansour called it a "war crime," and told an open Security Council meeting that "those fleets, one after the other, will be coming until the unethical blockade is put to an end and the suffering stops for our people."

Organizers of the six-ship Gaza aid flotilla stopped by the Israelis said they would be sending two more ships to challenge the blockade within the next few days.

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There is only one pertinent fact...

The only fact that will determine the legality of Israel's action is the location of the ships when the IDF stormed aboard, and that fact is not in question. They were in International waters. Israel is clearly, incontrovertible in the wrong and will pay the price when this issue reaches the courts. Actually, the American taxpayers will pay the price, since we are the ones who subsidize virtually every aspect of Israel's blundering.

For reference, see details on the Brothers to the Rescue shoot down by Cuba in 1996. Very similar issues were at play. The intention of those onboard were deemed irrelevant, the fact that they had even earlier been in Cuban airspace was deemed irrelevant, the fact that the attack took place in International airspace on civilian craft that was not breaking any International law was considered the only principle issue in determining guilt -- and it cost Cuba almost 200 million dollars. Only three people were killed in that incident. This should cost Israel big -- a price that is long overdue.

BTW, something that is being suppressed in the U.S. media, is that one of the ships seized by the Israeli's is an American-flagged ship, which was in international waters, committing no crime. Under international law, Israel's actions in this regard constitute an act of war against America since ship's are considered territory of the country's in which they are flagged. The spineless Obama should have expelled the Israeli diplomatic team over this incident -- but of course he didn't. Rahm, no doubt, didn't give him permission to think about it.

Television media blackout

on the nine people murdered.

Silly question:

How will you react if Israeli claims about the aid flotilla turn out to be accurate?

I think I know the answer: There are many here who have decided that Israel is in the wrong and, if evidence is cited to the contrary, they will repudiate the evidence as manufactured.

No, I have no idea which side is right but I do acknowledge that there are two basic stories about what happened and that I am not justified in deciding at this point which is closer to the truth.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

Chain of custody has been broken, question is hypothetical

I understand your concerns, but there is no way now for Israel to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The ships are in Israeli hands and the chain of custody has been broken. They can no longer prove that they did not plant the weapons. So the question is moot.

Not so sure about Turkey either. Sibel Edmonds was under a gag order for years over conversations she translated from Turkish, Israeli and American agents.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/136430#comment-1456298

As I posted Pax Christi USA is involved. I have no reason think that they would cover for a group moving weapons or fail to report weapon smuggling.

But even if the flotilla proved false, that would not change the fact of Israel's bad treatment of the prisoners held in Gaza under blockade.

Israeli Knesset Member Hanin Zoabi (Balad) who participated in the international flotilla to the Gaza Strip said, "It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future." http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897360,00.html

I am not sure how you know the answer. Most of here love beating the truth out of a topic, no matter how long it takes.

But its not a silly question. Are we deserving honor? "Do I deserve honor" is the only question I can field. Trust is a track record and I can't know the truth for you.

I can only bear witness.

Free includes debt-free!

I don't know

Depends if those pipes were aluminum or steel.

I mean if the pipes they were using to defend themselves against bullets were in fact steel then I'm certain those Activists are terrorists and should all deserve to be murdered at the hand of Israeli special forces for the scum upon humanity they are for bringing aide to Gaza.

Get real jerk..

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

I have to be honest

If we as individuals are not prepared to the exact same thing when the time comes ,Then we are not ready,And should bend over and let them have it.We will be required to keep hitting and dieing if necessary.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

there he goes again!

bieng both realistic and honest,
what are we going to do about this guy?
just kidding.
there really are people prepareing and trying to do something.
this is heartening......

HVAC?

Serious man,We are at a time when Hypocrisy is not going to work,It is a time for soul searching.Either you are there or you are not,It is I/O.Closed or open.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

You want to get beat off the boat

with a pipe.. Don't make me, make you shoot me for defending myself.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Sigh ...

I really can't believe the responses I have read here. Doesn't anyone actually believe in the message that Ron Paul has been saying this whole time or is this just a message board for conspiracy and hate speech?

Every single one of you should know better then to believe a damn thing reported to you by the modern day media. You should have learned by now how to collect information from both sides, take both with a grain of salt, and derive the truth ... or at least a much closer truth then the one portrayed by the talking heads on TV.

You have all been baited and you ate it up and it sort of makes me angry to watch the feeding frenzy continue.

As for the message that this site is dedicated too ... Who cares what Israel did ... they did it for their own national security and its not for our government to damn or praise it. Let Israel take care of Israel, but at the same time we shouldn't be funding them or their enemies.

If they are to be taken seriously they should be allowed to stand on their own and that means dealing with things their own way and accepting the consequences for those actions themselves.

As far as I am concerned we should tell Israel we aren't going to stand behind them any more, but at the same time let all their neighbors know we aren't going to stop them either.

As for Hamas ... that is not something anyone should cheer for, regardless of the circumstances. It doesn't matter why it exists or by what means they justify their tactics ... evil should not be tolerated.

"they did it for their own national security:"

Yeah I forgot, Unarmed Activists bringing food and supplies to Gaza is a real big national threat to Israel.

I'm having a bill hicks flash back right about now.
Put on the Hammer album I'm ready to dance..

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Those "unarmed" activists were completely peaceful

as they attacked and beat the Israelis with steel pipes and knives. And I'm sure there is no chance they could be smuggling any weapons into Gaza...uh huh.

Ann in Florida

You believe everything you see on TV

I have some ocean front property in Kansas, great deal, far away from oil leaks, really great deal! How about a nice bridge in Brooklyn?.

You must have missed the other video showing the Israeli forces attacking first with deadly force or this report,

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/press-releases/1191-civilian...

Under darkness of night, Israeli commandoes dropped from a helicopter onto the Turkish passenger ship, Mavi Marmara, and began to shoot the moment their feet hit the deck. They fired directly into the crowd of civilians asleep. According to the live video from the ship, two have been killed, and 31 injured.

Or maybe this one:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3897360,00.html

Knesset Member Hanin Zoabi (Balad) who participated in the international flotilla to the Gaza Strip said, "It was clear from the size of the force that boarded the ship that the purpose was not only to stop this sail, but to cause the largest possible number of fatalities in order to stop such initiatives in the future."

One question remains, who were the ones allegedly attacked men with deadly weapons with stick and knives. Who were they?

Israel claims the right self-defense but denies it to those they attack.

Maybe your not trying hard enough to find the truth?

Free includes debt-free!

Are you serious?

Are you seriously going to source anything from a site called "freegaza" and expect the truth on this matter? If you can't believe the video from the IDF how the hell are you going to be so hypocritical as to try and pass that crap off as fact?

All we know for sure is that these ships tried to run a blockade after being warned off many times. We know for a fact that they were told that if they went to the Israel port that their cargo would be inspected and if free of anything would be allowed to go to Gaza.

The rumors are that the IDF commandos were lowered with what are basically paintball guns to deter the crowd. We know that there was a conflict at which point they pulled their sidearms and opened fire. I am not going to say that I believe either side as they are both biased and neither should you. All we know is the result which is 9 people dead and several others, including the commandos, were severely injured.

Claiming anything more than that as fact at this point is nothing more than propaganda. You should know better as a DP poster then to run with any heart tugging story that our current mass media runs 24/7 with.

Better than a sitcom!

I cant stop laughing!!!!!!!!! Yes, you have uncovered their secret! They were smuggling steel pipes and knives into the occupied nation in an attempt to liberate a people and overcome the most powerful empire in the region, it's US-supplied F-16's, its incomparable Mossad agents... I need not continue, because the people you are deriding couldn't have done a better job at making you look foolish than you have done for yourself! I speak from experience on that too ;)

Feel free to clarify your position... or please just write some more! I'm sorry people, for as long as it's been unpopular on here to speak the truth about Israel/Palestine, I am going to enjoy the 15 minutes of freedom we have. Celebrate we will, for life is short but sweet for certain.

Ships and their Flags

Ships and their flags
Written by Free Gaza Team | 01 June 2010

1. Mavi Marmara passenger Flagged in Turkey

2. Sofia cargo ship
Flagged in Greece

3. Gazza 1 cargo ship
Flagged in Turkey

4. Gazza 2 cargo ship
Flagged in Turkey

5. Spendoni passenger Flagged in Greece

6. Challenger 1
Flagged in U.S.

http://www.freegaza.org/en/home/press-releases/1195-ships-an...

US Ship taken by IDF

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Why so many one sided comments here?

I don't see why there are so many one sided comments here against Israel? Israel is fighting a war against Hamas who is controlling Gaza. They blockade Gaza as part of the war effort to defeat Hamas. And so if anyone "neutral" who come to help either warring factions, then they are not "neutral" anymore and they need to understand and accept the risk of aiding a belligerent. Just like the US ships were attacked by the Germans for aiding England, so Israel has the right to attack whoever is aiding their enemy.
And you all know that those so called humanitarian aid will end up in the hands of the corrupt Hamas bureaucrats and the people of Gaza will benefit very little if at all from it.
So those of you non-interventionist, who believed that US shouldn't have aided Great Britain and then accused the Germans of sinking "neutral" ships, then you should apply the same standard here.
If you try to get involved in a fight, you should know the risk. Don't blame it on anyone except yourselves.

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Ironically, maybe it's the David and Goliath

aspect; Megadeathstate vs humanitarian aid ship is another aspect.
But your point is well taken. Maybe because the flotilla organization is media-savvy and is using their plight to excellent effect on the internet and in the press.

They are better at it than, say, the civilian Afghanis and Pakistanis the US routinely bombs; better at it than the Tibetans and numerous other minorities being cruelly oppressed by the Chinese; better at it than targeted ethnicities in various despotic African countries; better at it than the slaves in many countries of the mid-east and elsewhere, etc. etc. etc.

It's the spotlighted Injustice of the Day; tomorrow there will be another. I do think we can simultaneously try to assist those who suffer, work to get our government to stop its own aggression and aid-to-aggressors, and keep perspective on the entire gamut of hideous crimes against humanity going on all over the world every day.

This is one of the(if not

This is one of the(if not the) best analysis I've seen all day! I'll repeat that this wake up call gives us an opportunity to finally right some wrongs that it exposed. The question is, will we?

And like you said, there will be new wrongs to right, but we need practice getting one right, before we can move on to the next. Practice makes perfect(or at least better).

I think the Jewish people and

Arab people are BOTH being USED by the Illuminati. This whole thing was arranged and will probably lead to war and the New World Order. I feel bad for all the people the governments are in on the scam. The people will pay with blood. Very Sad.

"We can see with our eyes, hear with our ears and feel with our touch, but we understand with our hearts."

It just makes me sad to know

It just makes me sad to know that both the Palestinians and Israelis will never ever live in complete peace. I can wager everything that this is a clear demonstration of TPTB controlling a situation. We must not go around hating the Israeli or Palestinian peoples, but we must condemn the actions their governments have taken to jeopardize their future. Let's remember!

Perhaps because you are being ignorant on the facts

such as - Israel created Hamas. A little history wouldn't hurt.

The unexamined life is not worth living
- Socrates

http://www.youtube.com/ThePhaedrus83

Maybe it's because Zionist are modern-day Nazis ?

and because most DP readers have not been brainwashed/cowered into supporting racism and evil,
just because the "chosen" race commits it ?
CHOOSE *THIS*, TROLL.

No!

Wrong!Nuff said.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I agree but

to me it looked that way on here until this event!! If you doubt me, I need only go back a few days to the "censorship" debate, where zionism escaped exposure under the guise of "private property rights", and ad hominem attacks. Am I the only one to notice the sudden 180 here? It reminds me of the Clinton Whitehouse and how he followed public opinion polls. In my opinion, it is a discussion worthy of a thread of its own. Keep your eyes peeled my friend, notice any inconsistencies that appear on your radar. I could be(and hope I am!!!!) wrong, but something seems a little off to me... both in real life and even moreso on here. I love my country, my fellow man(of any nation, ethnicity, etc), Ron Paul, The Daily Paul, etc... and for that I want to be "in the know", and want ALL of us to be. Heaven knows often I'm slow to catch things which is why I rely on you guys often.

Let's heed the words of ultra-zionist Rahm Emmanuel: "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before". Much good can
come of this "awakening", if it is indeed one. But I caution all of you to be on your toes... for the sake of liberty. This is not the time to let your guard down.

July 05, 2006 — "Footage

July 05, 2006 — "Footage from Rachel's interview conducted by Middle East Broadcasting Company on March 14th, 2003, two days before she was murdered by the Israeli Defense Forces."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JI-axaRF4

The Irish ship that bears her name is now continuing on to Gaza. It would be a double tragedy if this ship were not allowed to dock in Gaza, the place where her namesake was killed.

As callously as the IDF murdered Rachel, will they do the same to this ship? Only time will tell.

Of course, no one in the US MSM is reporting on this. If they did they might have to tell Rachel's story.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/irish-aid-boat-g...

MV Rachel Corrie avoided capture during flotilla raid but Israeli lieutenant says 'we will be ready'

Tonight it was still in international waters about two days from Gaza, carrying a consignment of aid and 19 activists and crew, among them five Irish nationals, the organisation said.

The Irish taoiseach, Brian Cowen, warned Israel tonight that he expected no violence against those on the Rachel Corrie.

"If any harm comes to any of our citizens it will have the most serious consequences," he said, calling on Israel to guarantee the vessel safe passage through the military blockade of Gaza.

The ship, named after the 23-year-old American killed in Gaza in 2003 while trying to prevent an Israeli bulldozer demolishing a Palestinian home, had halted in the Mediterranean following the assault while those on board – among them the Nobel peace laureate Máiread Maguire and Denis Halliday, a retired senior UN diplomat – discussed whether they should continue.

It was now carrying as a "second wave" of the flotilla, said Niamh Moloughney, who organised the sailing in Ireland.

"I'd say the mood on board is resilient and steadfast. When people signed up to this they knew what might happen," said Moloughney. "We expected we would be confronted and there would be a stand-off, but no one expected this. But there's never really been a question of the boat turning back."

As well as the Irish nationals, the 1,200-tonne boat is carrying six Malaysians and eight crew of varying nationalities.

All those on board had received training in non-violent resistance before the sailing and had pledged not to fight back if the boat was boarded, Moloughney added.

Speaking on the boat's satellite phone, Maguire said she was determined the boat should continue on its course.

"We're not frightened, no, we hope the Israeli government will allow us to go freely in and we know the international community are calling for our safe passage," she said.

Repeating Our Past Mistakes

Thinking that the U.S. Government has ever been capable of discerning good from evil and then effectively acting to correct injustice (always at the expense of U.S. military personel and taxpayers), and that it ought to be engaging in such activities, has played a substantial role in creating the big mess in which we presently find ourselves. We seem intent on repeating past mistakes.

No one can deny that terrible things are happening in the Middle East; they happen every day, and more times than not to good people who aren't out looking for trouble. This is sad, but it's not a good reason for the U.S. to "get (more) involved" and "do something". Terrible things were happening to innocent people in the Middle East long before the United States of America ever came into the picture. We can't fix what ails the Middle East. The Middle East's problems, absent Divine Intervention, will never be solved.

Again, I ask the question: What do you think Ron Paul would have to say about this? I suspect he would say that we ought to be minding our own business.

TheoVanG

Yes Theo

WWRPS/D? Immediately end ALL aid to Israel(our top aid parasite for all of history). What a gift that would be to Palestinians and Americans! Many Israelis want it too!

So I ask any readers on here to beware of people posting Ron Paul's name while being sympathetic to zionist actions. They're finally being more humble, but it's only thinly veiled and you can almost feel how sick it's making them.

This isnt the first WWRPD rallying cry I've seen on here since this happened. The majority of these people are happy when the US is sending boatloads of money and other support to Israel, but suddenly want us out of their affairs now. I cant say ALL of you are TRAITORS like Rahm Emmanuel(Israeli citizen, fought in their army, son of Israeli terrorist, and FIRST appointed staff member of Obama!) and others who put US concerns 2nd, behind those of Israel... but people are starting to wake up to what's going on, and unless this is some sort of pro-wrestling act(which the reaction on here leads me to believe it is, honestly), it is a period when America can begin to right it's course back toward the Constitution, common sense, and morality.

Consider me a freedom fighter, fighting to emancipate minds, Theo. I wouldn't get too down though, while typing this message I got a sickening feeling that all of this "awakening" is too good to be true. Too quick of a turnaround, as witnessed on here. It's like the adversaries of truth last week are now some of it's loudest defenders. I call upon all of you to take note and see if you can notice that as well. Something is amiss here. It reminds me of the media that shunned Ron Paul during the campaign suddenly wanting him as a guest afterward, using him when he is beneficial to them.

Woot.

go egypt.

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson