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The Act of 1871 - Is this the source of all our problems?

The following article explains how the original
"Constitution for the united states for America"
was in 1871, changed to the
"THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".

If this impostor is the source of our modern day problems, repealing it could be the simple solution as well.

I am a neophyte of this topic but find it most interesting. Hopefully, some other DPs will help confirm the accuracy of this historical event and bring additional understanding to the fore.

Excerpt:
The Congress realized our country was in dire financial straits, so they cut a deal with the international bankers — (in those days, the Rothschilds of London were dipping their fingers into everyone's pie) thereby incurring a DEBT to said bankers.

If we think about banks, we know they do not just lend us money out of the goodness of their hearts. A bank will not do anything for you unless it is entirely in their best interest to do so. There has to be some sort of collateral or some string attached which puts you and me (the borrower) into a subservient position. This was true back in 1871 as well.

The conniving international bankers were not about to lend our floundering nation any money without some serious stipulations. So, they devised a brilliant way of getting their foot in the door of the United States (a prize they had coveted for some time, but had been unable to grasp thanks to our Founding Fathers, who despised them and held them in check), and thus, the Act of 1871 was passed.

In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner:

"The Constitution for the united states of America".

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/us_corporation.htm



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If you want to see what the advocates of this

historic event are currently doing in 2014, you will probably be pleasantly surprised and want to join. Their historical documents, activities and weekly conference calls are great resources for the true patriots who are waking up.

http://republicfortheunitedstates.org/

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I looked in my copy of the Constitution

I looked in my copy of the Constitution (signed by Ron Paul) and saw the words "for the United States of America", not "of". The same was true when I looked on Constitution.org, and also Cornell University.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/preamble

So does Archives.gov.
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_trans...

I have known this argument about "of" vs. "for" for a long time, and was surprised when I could not find a single version that said "of". I read the article, but I can't find a version of the Constitution that says "of" in the Preamble.

Sure, you can put it as a header on a web page, slap it on the cover of a book and sell it, but, I can't find evidence the Preamble was changed. Looking for info because I have used this argument before, and upon further examination I am wondering if I have to go around and make retractions now. Thanks folks.

Kel

P.S. Looking at the website for the Red Amendment, might pick it up, but I got a backlog of books already atm.

Important thread that should

Important thread that should be resurrected.... for the comments, mostly.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Amen.

Amen.

I agree

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Ummm, with all due respect,

Ummm, with all due respect, from what I have been learning from reading a book The Red Amendment, by LB Bork. And, his founding of the Peoples Awareness Coaltion, pacinlaw.org. This comment is somewhat correct, but,is very close to what the real ailment that our de jure America is suffering from.

One needs to go back alittle further, than 1871. One needs to go back to 1868.

Actually, it was through the announced ratification of " their " 14th Amendment, and its Citizenship naturalization, that was, put on everyone, automatically, upon birth, in our states/nations. If "they" didn't have authority, over the peoples, in the states first, then nobody, would have been able to do anything. Allowing banks to enslave us all with their debt game or any other corporations to dictate anything via lobbying.

We owe all, of what ails America now, to our originally, de jure elected representatives, for keeping, this Communistic Silent War, in motion/action, at that time. Any of them, that do find out now, what the real deal is,(usually money is what keeps them quiet/going along with their new program) and choose to do nothing, to help bring back our Founders original intent of Founders, intended course for us(states) are guilty of Treason.

Though, Section Three of 14th Amendment, has a Savings Clause in there. They think, cause 14th Amendment Citizens are electing aka consenting, to their positions. That they will not be held accountable when our de jure America and her organic U.S.Constitution and Bill of Rights are restored to Founders original intended course, before they hijacked/pirated/raped/looted/stole/confiscated illegally/fraudulently took our America away.

Please, go to this awesome site, from author of book, The Red Amendment, LB Bork. (hint, if you click on Sarah's picture going, shhh) great new upandcoming band, 4 On The Floor.. debut song,
Workin Man Zombie..

Also, I strongly suggest for everyone to start reading book, The Red Amendment, in honor of May Day, World Communism Day.. Since reading this book, I have not looked back at the old way of indoctrination. This book, shows us, the Real Deal, working against our organic (pre14th Amendment) U.S.Constitution & Bill of Rights (first twelve). The Deal that keep under the table from us.

http://www.pacalliance.us/launch/

Be Safe. LoveandPeace,Mylene

Please check out

Please check out PACinlaw.org's site, of Alliance. We all need to join up with each other, to restore our de jure America's principles that Founders originally intended.

http://www.pacalliance.us/launch/

Be Safe. LoveandPeace,Mylene

Oh, and I want to add, that,

Oh, and I want to add, that, when we consent to this newly created form of a political system (14th Amendment created new political system) (not the one, that the Founders created)we are actually in eyes of law, committing a crime against our original state governments. As, 14th Amendment Citizens, we are pulled into jurisdiction of DC (naturalization does this) (and it is automatic upon birth) and the fact that we do not utilize our ability to leave DC jurisdiction. We, then, are in fact, consenting to their authority in DC Federal Government's jurisdiction, cause we have left our state's original jurisdiction statuses.

For you see, in order for this Communistic newly 14th Amendment created Federal Government, for them to be considered legal. They had to get us to agree to their power/authority over us, and they do that, with naturalizing us all, as 14th Amendment Citizens. And when, we do not leave, their DC status, we, in eyes of law, have abandoned our state governments, in favor of DC's new federal government, rule over all the peoples. And, in supporting an illegally created federal government,it, is a crime in international law.

Instead of convicting us, they get to enslave us.(In laws/rules of war aka Lieber Military Code) This is where the bankers get to prey upon us, cause they know the law and they know we don't, and how we are all enslaved instead of being convicted of abandoning our original de jure state governments.

Sorry, if I am going on. I need to emphasize the importance of the 'Expatriation Act', it was passed the very day, before the announcement of ' their ' 14th Amendment. (look it up, the dates) I call the 'Expatriation Act', our 'Escape Hatch Out', of their neoRome.

If, they did not offer us, this 'Escape Hatch' out of their newly created political system, they would be considered illegal, criminal in eyes of law. What they don't tell us, is, when, we turn of legal adulthood age, we have the right to leave their fake/bastardized new political system via the 14th Amendment. We have lawful right to leave it, via the Expatriation Act aka Escape Hatch, back to our original state governments (before the 14th Amendment).

I can not suggest strongly enough, to get this new number one, underground book. Ron Paul is on correct track, almost there, but, still like most of us, does not see the Real Deal on the table, as this book, The Red Amendment does. <3

Be Safe. LoveandPeace,Mylene

How do we leave that status

How do we leave that status though? How can we opt out?

not sure about his stuff, but

not sure about his stuff, but check out stopthepirates.blogspot.con and youtube.com/stopthepirates

My personal view,

which wouldn't be considered a "legal view" by the gov't, is that ALL legislation and regulation that was passed during the Reconstruction Era is null and void and unlawful, due to coercion and usurped "representation" by the North over the South during that time period.
None of the Southern States had their own representation or governors during that time, and were essentially under military occupation, with military governors and appointed "representation" by the occupiers.
If, indeed the country was usurped by this Act, then it was done under Yankee control, with their boots on the necks of the South. Nobody from the South voted for that.

In fact, I can find very little which I can agree with or accept from any legislation post-1860.

This is what Bill Cooper told us decades ago

On YouTube, there is a good series about Bill Cooper (one of the pioneers in the modern freedom movement...used shortwave radio to enlighten the masses). He was apparently murdered.

Anyway, in the series, Cooper not only talked about the nation being sold out...but that the Constitution actually has wording advising the government to sell the nation (back to the international powers that be) if they couldn't handle it.

Indeed, this happened. But the truth is that the powers that be had WAY too much influence on this budding nation and they made it very difficult for us to succeed.

Interesting, The International Bankers, Corporations Never Had

any intentions of letting such a rich land as America and such hard working serfs go "free".
The Original Constitution For The United States Of America was essentially dictated by the bankers and King George. If you look at article six in The Treaty of Paris 1783 you will see that all of the King's contracts in America were reaffirmed and put back in force after "the war".
The bankers contracts were also reaffirmed.
When the States did not pay the banks or The Crown the European money power threatened to resume open hostilities.
So Washington D.C. was created as a concession to delay the inevitable War On America by the banksters and European powers.
The problem is that it was created with a split allegiance. On the one hand it was supposed to protect the newly Independent American States, on the other hand it was supposed to collect taxes and tribute for The British Crown and The Vatican. Very hard to serve two masters.
Eventually the bankers won out over the People of the States. Since 1871 the United States has not served the little people or even the landowners (people) anymore but has simply been helping itself to ever increasing portions of their labor and land.

So the Vatican, The Crown, and all of it's affiliated banks and corporations have a stranglehold on America today.

There are no more "electors" choosing a de jure government (republic). There are only "voters" voting for their union representative to "the corporation". All voters can do is beg The Crown Bankers for better "working" conditions and feudal (federal) employee benefits on this giant Plantation.
Have you read the book They Own it All? On paper the bankers have securitized everything, land, cars, houses, factories, water, air, minerals, wildlife, men, women, and children. They are collecting interest on the bonds they have put on all of us. In other words you are being held in bondage by the bankers. They promise your labor in the form of newly printed federal reserve notes that they print and pass out! Then they give this promises of your labor to someone who then give them back to you thus ordering you to give your masters a days "work". You are a debt slave. On Paper the bankers hold title to your lifetime labor. So they issue shares of your labor to pay THEIR debts and then you are "ordered" to work off their debts.

Of course the bankers never had any intention of leaving alone the newly formed United States of America. It is and was just too big of a goldmine to let alone. They won't withdraw their feeding tubes from us until we are completely sucked dry like Argentinia, Greece, etc. and all of us and our children have been worked to the bone and are dead and cremated.

The Oracle

most DEFINITELY pertinent!

"Constitution FOR the united states for America" vs. the 1871's "THE CONSTITUTION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA;" "for" vs. "of," including the difference in use of capitalization, indeed are completely indicative of their difference in legalese as well as their meaning.

I suppose if one can discern that distinction, we would ALL fall under what those propagandist nazi bitches at SPLC would confuse and box us all into their convenient and neatly, arbitrarily labeled, propagandized VERSION of the term solely of their own delusional definition, as the "sovereign citizens movement:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_y-gLm9Hrw
http://dailypaul.com/node/149296

An important task, I gladly take on daily.

I understand where you are coming from and agree with your perspective, but I believe this fight has been going on far longer. Jefferson, Madison, Monroe and the rest of the anti-federalists knew the banksters and lawyers would be the demise of our constitutional republic. So much so, they added Title of Nobility clause to the Constitution for the united States not once, but twice(once in article 1 section 9 and again with more teeth as the thirteenth amendment, ratified by thirteen of the first sixteen States in 1819).
As we see today, the banksters, with the help of their lawyer friends, they manipulated the laws and the market back then as well, creating the Great Panic of 1873, and continued their practice another twenty years later, resulting in the Great Panic of 1893.
After replacing the Titles of Nobility(thirteenth amendment) with the new one, they also eventually tricked the Nation into voluntary servitude with the Fourteenth Amendment. Their lust for wealth and power has no boundaries, their incremental usurpation of everything we hold dear is now coming to a head. You only need to watch the countless stories on our economy and unconstitutional mandates being handed down from "on high."
Teaching the people the difference between the organic Constitution for the united States of America and the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is an important task and I gladly take on daily.

Christopher Kairnes

T.O.N.A

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The original

was never nullified that I have ever heard.

We have a two headed dragon on our hands .
By having this the elite keep the alliegence.
It realy doesn't matter any more. We have out grown both according to our fearless leaders.
The court system is strictly for the elite to engage in.

Help with Important Question, please...

I am studying all this regarding the tow Constitutions and the corporate government vs. the de jure government.

As I understand, the Corporate United States was formed by the Act of 1871, right?

I also understand that the 14th Amendment, stipulates:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

The case has been made that the lower case "c" in "citizen" is referring to the corporate citizen under the jurisdiction of the corporation of the United States.

What I don't get is how can this be when the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868, three years before the forming of the corporation called the United States?

I would sure like clarification on this. This is not a trick question. I am involved in the de jure government restoration movement, and have been reading Julius' comments with agreement in mind, but while following all the links to confirm for myself, I happened to check the dates of the amendments for historical and chronological reference when I discovered the ratification date of the 14th amendment. I can't get past this fact.

Anybody have an answer for this?

Freedom is the ability to do what you want to do.
Liberty is the ability to do what you ought to do.
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the Corporate United States of America

Go back a bit further. You can find that the Corporation dates back to 1787. That's two years before the ratification of the Constitution. Check out Dr. Dale Livingston's research it's interesting. He too, is involved in the restoration of the de jure republic.

Christopher Kairnes

Amendment XIV was never ratified

FUN FACT #2: It was written by the author of the Communist Manifesto - Frederick Engels.

Ill offer a little help: 1st,

Ill offer a little help:
1st, the Original D.C. Organic Act was in 1801, which is why it is peculiar to have another "organic act" (organic means original act) to do the same thing that the first act appeared to do.

for an example see:

26 CFR §1.1-1 Income tax on individuals

(c ) Who is a citizen.

Every person born or naturalized in the [federal] United States[**] and subject to its jurisdiction is a citizen. For other rules governing the acquisition of citizenship, see chapters 1 and 2 of title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §1401–1459). "

"Its" refers to one thing. When referring to the United States as in the union of states, it's "their jurisdiction" as in the 13th Amendment. In the 14th Amendment, the term "the jurisdiction thereof" was used to trick us.
see:

    "It is impossible to construe the words 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof,' in the opening sentence, as less comprehensive than the words 'within its jurisdiction,' in the concluding sentencego of the same section; or to hold that persons 'within the jurisdiction' of one of the states of the Union are not 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States[***].'"
    [U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S.Ct. 456; 42 L.Ed. 890 (1898), emphasis added]

For example, if I start a company called "Your Friends" and I say "Your Friends want you to visit it", then I am clearly talking about 1 thing,

whereas if I say "Your friends want you to visit their houses" it is your actual friends,

But If I go and make a new sentence like "Your Friends want you to visit the office therein", and if the Supreme Court rules that "The office therein" is the same as "visit it", it starts to clear it up, a bit.

regarding the timing, the civil war era was a time of shady record keeping, but the D.C. Organic act was under way in 1865:
"At the end of the Civil War, various federal politicians and white Washingtonians
began pushing for a shift towards federal rule of the District. In 1865, Senator Lot Morrill
of Maine introduced a bill in Congress proposing to place the District under the
governance of presidentially appointed commissioners."

I should add, that the 13th Amendment allowed people to volunteer themselves into servitude, aka "Property" and the 14th Amendment put them under the Jurisdiction of the Seat of Government.

"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needed Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States2;"

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Doctors of Thinkology

Scarecrow: I haven't got a brain... only straw.
Dorothy: How can you talk if you haven't got a brain?
Scarecrow: I don't know... But some people without brains do an awful lot of talking... don't they?
Dorothy: Yes, I guess you're right.

I know this is going to piss a lot of you off ... please, no offense intended ( I understand and respect most of you), it's just my way of whimsical emphasis, but -- This is CERTAINLY not the source of ANY of our problems !!! As a heat-seeking distraction, it will prove to be a problem in itself, I suggest. In this game the clenched fist crumples paper with dispatch.

If you are looking for implausible deniablity, carry on. But except for the worthwhile mental exercise of study, your exalting form over substance will prove at best a monumental 'while away of hours', representing a misplaced emphasis on legal positivism as you grasp ambivalently at straw to find a sturdy peg for hanging essence of the resistance you must in your BEING confront ON THE MERITS.

[ http://www.dailypaul.com/node/126725#comment-1359670
' ... Some work of noble note, may yet be done," ]

" NO " ... is your answer ... which you need not announce before the pushing comes to shovel. If you want to dance, dance to your own drumming... and don't crouch behind crumbling pillars of law, as if still weightbearing, while waving your talisman as if force may be enchanted.

Tin Woodsman: Help! Help!
Scarecrow: It's no use screaming at a time like this. Nobody will hear you. Help! Help!

Believing this would require one to believe

these criminals care about following either set of laws in the first place. I don't believe that for a minute. They are just corrupt bastards and find corrupt judges to wordsmith the crap into their judgements to give it a sense of being legal.

No, there is no corporate United States, just a pack of criminals.

I personally believe

that U.S Americans are unable to become incorporated, because uh, some people out there in our nation don't have constitutions and I believe that our education like such as South Africa and The Iraq everywhere like such as and I believe that they should our education over here in the U.S should help the U.S should help South Africa and should help The Iraq and the bankers so we will be able to build up our future for our incorporated children.

That was more brilliant and

That was more brilliant and enlightened than anything Yobama's had to say.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

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+1....Phenomenal answer.

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Folks, we have a winner!!

You can never go wrong with that reference. lol