RP: Global Warming
Note: This is obviously an issue that there is emotions connected with. Anyone who has links to the First Hand Data Collection - i.e. the raw facts having to do with Global Warming, please include the links and/or sources. My main point is simply, IT'S TOO IMPORTANT OF AN ISSUE TO BE WRONG ABOUT. Some have already posted links. I'm looking for the clearest presentation of most fundamental facts of the issue. Thanks!
Original Post:
Al Gore's a more honest man since he quit politics. I believe Incovenient Truth is sincere and based on sound science. How bad is the situation? How long before the planet heats up? Those are just modifiers to the basic situation.
RP says, "somebody pollutes or destoys your property & you have every right to sue/otherwise protect your rights."
But the Earth's atmosphere is the most shared part of environment. Literally, "what blows around, goes around."
When asked about Global Warming on the Google interview, RP responded, "I think it's overdone" (meaning the problem is not as bad as being publicized),
I'd like Ron Paul to study the issue as much as he's studied the monetary system.
When you do realize that the stability of that thin film of atmosphere surrounding Earth is what allows life to flourish in a relatively stable state, and that the composition of this thin film is being altered, it is the Shared Property Rights issue of each and every citizen of Earth. So how do we solve this Constitutionally within our own nation? We can't.
If Ron Paul were to promise to get the best, most complete and accurate information on Global Warning and to study the issue thoroughly and make a pronouncement on it, I would find that VERY interesting.
It's something that the planet can not afford to be wrong about.
Confronting and dealing with Global Warming accurately has everything to do with Freedom and Civil Liberties: Life and Liberty can't exist on an overheated planet.
I think there are a hell of a lot of people worried about it (and not just because of fear propaganda - there's too much data that shows the problem is real).
RP hasn't given the issue enough direct attention. THERE'S VOTES TO BE HAD ON THIS ISSUE!!!





















The Earth gets warmer... the Earth gets colder
Hell, it was a complete snowball at one time, people: Snowball Earth. Would you rather have that?
What is better than a multi-millennia cycle on which to base a socialist global wealth-transfer tax? Maybe the sun rising and falling?
Get real.
Freedom Bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0qiURceBX0
"Cheers for liberty, my man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpVWPlqSAw&feature=related
The revolution will not be televised.
http://www.myspace.com/goldenstategalt
"Cheers for liberty, my man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpVWPlqSAw&feature=related
"The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." - Ayn Rand
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The Earth gets warmer... the Earth gets colder
Hell, it was a complete snowball at one time, people: Snowball Earth. Would you rather have that?
What is better than a multi-millennia cycle on which to base a socialist global wealth-transfer tax? Maybe the sun rising and falling?
Get real.
Freedom Bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0qiURceBX0
"Cheers for liberty, my man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpVWPlqSAw&feature=related
The revolution will not be televised.
http://www.myspace.com/goldenstategalt
"Cheers for liberty, my man."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qpVWPlqSAw&feature=related
"The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." - Ayn Rand
http://www.myspace.com/goldenstategalt
a single volcano can spew more greenhouse gasses into the air
during one eruption than the history of all humanity combined.
A hotter earth promotes plant life, higher levels of
oxygen, larger species of animals as a result. Who are we to say what temperature the earth should be.
Global Warming
I am sorry to say that you, and most of the world, have been lied to about the truth. I am unfortunately not able to provide you with the links you need to know what is really going on, because I am in the hospital due to an unfortunate accident, but can tell you already to google a documentary called Global Warming or Global Governance. Sen. Imhof has also a lot of info, that is correct. You will be surprised by the power of the UN's censor machine, as well as it's propaganda machine. There will be no end of world scenario, once you get through to the facts, mainly from those that were denied access to MSM. The tide is changing, the alarmists will soon be totally debunked, including Gore. The "hockey stick graph is a farce, polar bears are doing extremely fine, even the latest UN report could only say that sea levels could rise in th worst case scenario by inches,not as Gore's film showed, the Mediaval period was warmer than today, and they had no SUV's at that time, I can go on and on. The few points I managed to type with my one remaining finger, is all peer reviewed science from the best in their respective field, but had the integrity not to sell their soul to the devil. Hope To get well soon, so I can get to my computer and provide you with all the evidence of this global fraud. Sorry i can't do more at this moment, but I got second degrees burns that I have to fix.
Taomaster
Taomaster
global warming
Recognizing that the interpretation of data is difficult and that computer modeling of systems is a discipline in its infancy and maybe suspect, I think one of the best things I have read is Tim Flannery's book The Weather Makers. http://www.amazon.com/Weather-Makers-Changing-Climate-Means/... It is overwhelmingly about data, but somehow manages to be readable as well. The book is written from the viewpoint of a scientist who does believe that climate change is occurring and that it is human-influenced. If the scientists who say they have contradicting data would publish such detailed yet readable accounts, it would be helpful to people honestly trying to form an open-minded opinion.
Warming Real?
OK, I had the wool over my eyes for too long, Global Warming is real and happening in my opinion. And I must admit as much as I didn't like Gore in the past, I believe his film is top notch (ok that hurts a little to say). Ron Paul should take this chance to bring the facts to the public as he has done for monetary policy.
Check the instruments.
Here is a great way to help contribute to climate studies. Did you know that the source of the US data for ground temperature is greatly compromised? The temperature stations have not been maintained according to standards. They have accidentaly built parking lots and put air conditioning condensor units near thermometers which have caused increases in recorded temperatures. Check out this site to help.
http://www.surfacestations.org/
Its seems that yes there has
Its seems that yes there has been a warming trend happening. Scientist are not in total agreement with the causes. The strange thing that has been observed is that not only is Earth heating up but so are the other planets. It would be more obvious that the sun (which has been going through some odd storm cycles-etc.) is doing most of the heating. I would hazard a guess that this means its a "normal" phenomenon.
Now regardless of that we've got to get off of the path we are currently on and make changes to renewable energy. That's the tough part. Dr. Paul is an intelligent man and I'm sure he's got some method of addressing this issue.
Personally, I believe most of this hysteria has been hyped up to promote a NEW global taxing structure. To that end, and for what it would thus be used for
(to destroy the U.S. economy), I'd have to say that the mania surrounding
global warming needs to end and real solutions for changing some of our habits around the world needs to begin.
Besides, bringing the troops home would probably save 10-15% of the U.S. total expenditure on fuel/petro ;)
Puppets come and puppets go but the world's stage is getting cluttered.
I think this as well
Even if it is a natural phenomenon, we would be better off less dependent on foriegn oil. As Ron Paul says, " Friendship and trade with all nations, entangling alliances with none." We are too tied up with Mideast oil to be objective about the real problems there.
But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers
There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer
The Sun is currently reversing poles, as
well as the earth.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,83...
RP:Global Warming
Anyone who has been farming for many years, or gardening, or hunting/fishing, or doing anything of a sustained nature that brings them into prolonged and intimate contact with the non-urbanized natural environment can surely tell that something strange and ominous-feeling is going on with the climate. This is a matter of personal observation for me, as I and others in my generation in my family have been doing those things for more than half a century, and we have the handed-down anecdotes of the generation before us to confirm our own observations. I am not prepared to say that I know what it means, or to grant that anyone else knows as yet. Human lives are short, and climatological cycles comparatively long. But we should all be searching with wide-open minds for answers, observing and questioning and not adopting any stance yet of certainty, either of agreement or dissent about this. And in my opinion, we should look for the ways in which individual liberty dovetails with environmental stewardship and work to promote those things. (And the more local economy and government is promoted, the better the chances for good stewardship, or so it seems to me--how can a government that does not know or care about my land or my neighborhood, much less love them, and to whom I am a number, practice environmental stewardship?) I am saying, don't jump into one camp or the other on the question of climate change. Both are probably partly wrong and partly right, and we should be humble and open to learning, as with any aspect of the beautiful, mysterious and complex world that is our only possible home.
Even if
Even if you think it is happening and think it's caused by human activity, shouldn't it still be way, way down the list of things that matter? What appalls me most is how much people care about it to the exclusion of other things much more serious imo. So many of my family and acquaintances think it's SO important. People actually vote on it. Wow. Talk about being played like a viola.
Another excellent book for anyone who's interested is Tom Bethell's Politically Incorrect Guide to Science which also covers other subjects.
"What does conservatism today stand for? It stands for war. It stands for power. It stands for spying, jailing without trial, torture, counterfeiting without limit, and lying from morning to night."
Lew Rockwell
The Skeptical Environmentalist
This is a great book by a Statistician about the Environment. He doesn't go into the science too much about whether Global Warming is caused by man or if we can stop it. He looks at it from an economic point of view. He looks at where the dollars spent can have the biggest impact on humanity. Global warming isn't even close to the top. I don't have the book on hand but I beleive the big ones are Water Quality and Sanitation. These can easily be fixed with todays technology with not much money but can improve the lives of Billions (yes with a B).
Okay then Digg this viola hoss
what now?
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World Wide Carbon Tax - Al Gore
Here is a quote straight from Gore's acceptance speech for the Nobel Prize:
"And most important of all, we need to put a price on carbon -- with a CO2 tax that is then rebated back to the people, progressively, according to the laws of each nation, in ways that shift the burden of taxation from employment to pollution. This is by far the most effective and simplest way to accelerate solutions to this crisis."
So it sounds like Gore's plan is to collect the CO2 tax upfront, and then rebate it back. Boy! This sounds like a job for The International IRS if I ever heard of it! What a disaster this would be! Then the entire World would have a fifth layer of Government: 1) Local 2) County 3) State 4) Federal 5) Global.
Screw Al Gore! What a GD mess that would be!!!!!!
I posted the Original Forum Topic on GW, and Gore's quote is pure idiocy. The last sentence, ("This is by far the most effective and simplest way to accelerate solutions to this crisis.") means that monetary penalties will make changes the fastest. The fastest changes that will occur from such penalties is law suits - not changes in CO2 emissions.
It is easy to see for me that free market forces - entreprenurial approaches to develop new technologies - is what will make the changes.
As a completely separate issue from GW, what about consuming all the oil and natural gas? There is only so much of it. Anybody know the % that's left?
% left
no one knows but folks have been proclaiming "peak oil" for many years. My guess is that there is a LOT more than we think. But, to my mind, the burning of this resource is a colossal waste of a valuable resource. It's like heating your house with paper money....burn it and its gone. The best use of this resource is chemical synthesis - plastics, fertilizers, rubber, etc. - and lubricants.
h-daddy
Please research this for yourself...
Sorry if I repeat what's already been said, but there's so much BS on this thread from people who obviously still think the MSM tells the truth that I can't bear to read it all.
Al Gore is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and represents the establishment, period. He is a paid propagandist to spread the global warming lie. Yes, the planet is in a warming period, but man-made CO2 has nothing to do with it. The IPCC reports were written by politicians, and the true findings of the top scientists were omitted. If you're interested in the truth, you MUST watch the UK Ch. 4 documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7299668110171032533
Google Video has repeatedly deleted it, so you may have to do some searching. You will hear directly from the top scientists, and you can check the facts for yourself. If you pay attention, the motive for the lies will also become clear.
Then read this recent article: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/963
and be sure to read the list of names of the signatories, and ask yourself, do I believe these scientists, or Al Gore & the UN?
If the advice of someone who worked for the UN in a command position means anything, you'd do well to be skeptical about everything they say or do.
I think it's clear that humanity had better start taking much better care of the planet, and develpoing clean, renewable energy is crucial. But a pack of lies about global warming only keeps people in fantasy-land, and keeps the greedy elites in control. Informed, empowered, free individuals will lead the way toward a healthy planet, so spread some truth, and accept nothing less!
RP Publicly Addressing the Issue
Do you think it would help or hurt the Doc to say more about this issue? The only time I heard him was at the Google interview when RP simply said to the effect of, "I think it's overdone".
Whether right or wrong, to many, its a big issue and seems like there is an optimum way to address it.
Yes.
First, thanks for starting this thread and sticking with it. I certainly think RP needs to say more on this issue. As AnnieGun says above, "So many of my family and acquaintances think it's SO important. People actually vote on it." So true. Nationwide it could be 10's of millions. And they have the same passion as any group of true believers. I say convince them that this is a solveable problem that, I think counter-intuitively for many, may not require any sort of big government solution.
RP ought to revive "Small is Beautiful" :)
h-daddy
So...
...if we could set aside all the happyHS about this issue, forget Al Gore, the Pope, MSM, scams, UN, hoaxs, whatever and just thought about, just for a moment, that maybe, just maybe, we humans are, unintentionally, messing up the entire planet. Big time. A total frigging mess. What should we do?
I say forget any sort of governmental "solution", at least for now, and see if market forces can make a dent in this. If market forces can "fix things" as RP always suggests, then let's give it a go. So far, I see nothing but good news on this front. And, of course we should grow lots of hemp or anything else that is presently banned :)
If no progress is made, well then we can always let the UN give it a try.
h-daddy
Hemp for Victory!
Global Warming real or not has got people looking at the environment. What is real is we need to stop using oil and chopping down trees. Ron is one of the few who understands the history and future of hemp.
Here is an interesting and enlightening assortment of hemp facts:
1) Hemp is among the oldest industries on the planet, going back more than 10,000 years to the beginnings of pottery. The Columbia History of the World states that the oldest relic of human industry is a bit of hemp fabric dating back to approximately 8,000 BC.
2) Presidents Washington and Jefferson both grew hemp. Americans were legally bound to grow hemp during the Colonial Era and Early Republic. The federal government subsidized hemp during the Second World War and U.S. farmers grew about a million acres of hemp as part of that program.
3) Hemp seed is nutritious and contains more essential fatty acids than any other source, is second only to soybeans in complete protein (but is more digestible by humans), is high in B-vitamins, and is a good source of dietary fiber. Hemp seed is not psychoactive and cannot be used as a drug (learn more at TestPledge.com).
4) The bark of the hemp stalk contains bast fibers, which are among the Earth's longest natural soft fibers and are also rich in cellulose. The cellulose and hemi-cellulose in its inner woody core are called hurds. Hemp stalk is not psychoactive. Hemp fiber is longer, stronger, more absorbent and more insulative than cotton fiber.
5) According to the Department of Energy, hemp as a biomass fuel producer requires the least specialized growing and processing procedures of all hemp products. The hydrocarbons in hemp can be processed into a wide range of biomass energy sources, from fuel pellets to liquid fuels and gas. Development of bio-fuels could significantly reduce our consumption of fossil fuels and nuclear power.
6) Hemp can be grown organically. Only eight, out of about one hundred known pests, cause problems, and hemp is most often grown without herbicides, fungicides or pesticides. Hemp is also a natural weed suppressor due to fast growth of the canopy.
7) Hemp produces more pulp per acre than timber on a sustainable basis, and can be used for every quality of paper. Hemp paper manufacturing can reduce wastewater contamination. Hemp's low lignin content reduces the need for acids used in pulping, and its creamy color lends itself to environmentally-friendly bleaching instead of harsh chlorine compounds. Less bleaching results in less dioxin and fewer chemical by-products.
8) Hemp fiber paper resists decomposition, and does not yellow with age when an acid-free process is used. Hemp paper more than 1,500 years old has been found. Hemp paper can also be recycled more times than wood-based paper.
9) Hemp fiberboard produced by Washington State University was found to be twice as strong as wood-based fiberboard. No additional resins are required due to naturally-occurring lignins.
10) Eco-friendly hemp can replace most toxic petrochemical products. Research is being done to use hemp in manufacturing biodegradable plastic products: plant-based cellophane, recycled plastic mixed with hemp for injection-molded products, and resins made from the oil, to name a very few examples. Over two million cars on the road today have hemp composite parts for door panels, dashboards, luggage racks, etc.
Countries Growing Industrial Hemp Today
The U.S. is the only industrialized nation in the world that does not recognize the value of industrial hemp and permit its production. Below is a list of other countries that are more rational when it comes to hemp policy.
AUSTRALIA began research trials in Tasmania in 1995. Victoria commercial production since1998. New South Wales has research. In 2002, Queensland began production. Western Australia licensed crops in 2004.
AUSTRIA has a hemp industry including production of hemp seed oil, medicinals and Hanf magazine.
CANADA started to license research crops in 1994. In addition to crops for fiber, one seed crop was licensed in 1995. Many acres were planted in 1997. Licenses for commercial agriculture saw thousands of acres planted in 1998. 30,000 acres were planted in 1999. In 2000, due to speculative investing, 12,250 acres were sown. In 2001, 92 farmers grew 3,250 acres. A number of Canadian farmers are now growing organically-certified hemp crops (6,000 acres in 2003 and 8,500 acres in 2004, yielding almost four million pounds of seed).
CHILE has grown hemp in the recent past for seed oil production.
CHINA is the largest exporter of hemp textiles. The fabrics are of excellent quality. Medium density fiber board is also now available. The Chinese word for hemp is "ma."
DENMARK planted its first modern hemp trial crops in 1997. The country is committed to utilizing organic methods.
FINLAND had a resurgence of hemp in 1995 with several small test plots. A seed variety for northern climates was developed called Finola, previously know by the breeder code "FIN-314." In 2003, Finola was accepted to the EU list of subsidized hemp cultivars. Hemp has never been prohibited in Finland. The Finnish word for hemp is "hamppu."
FRANCE has never prohibited hemp and harvested 10,000 tons of fiber in 1994. France is a source of low-THC-producing hemp seed for other countries. France exports high quality hemp oil to the U.S. The French word for hemp is "chanvre."
GERMANY banned hemp in 1982, but research began again in 1992, and many technologies and products are now being developed, as the ban was lifted on growing hemp in November, 1995. Food, clothes and paper are also being made from imported raw materials. Mercedes and BMW use hemp fiber for composites in door panels, dashboards, etc. The German word for hemp is "hanf."
GREAT BRITAIN lifted hemp prohibition in 1993. Animal bedding, paper and textiles markets have been developed. A government grant was given to develop new markets for natural fibers. 4,000 acres were grown in 1994. Subsidies of 230 British pounds per acre are given by the government to farmers for growing hemp.
HUNGARY is rebuilding their hemp industry, and is one of the biggest exporters of hemp cordage, rugs and fabric to the U.S. They also export hemp seed, paper and fiberboard. The Hungarian word for hemp is "kender."
INDIA has stands of naturalized Cannabis and uses it for cordage, textiles and seed.
ITALY has invested in the resurgence of hemp, especially for textile production. 1,000 acres were planted for fiber in 2002. Giorgio Armani grows its own hemp for specialized textiles.
JAPAN has a rich religious tradition involving hemp, and custom requires that the Emperor and Shinto priests wear hemp garments in certain ceremonies, so there are small plots maintained for these purposes. Traditional spice mixes also include hemp seed. Japan supports a thriving retail market for a variety of hemp products. The Japanese word for hemp is "asa."
NETHERLANDS is conducting a four-year study to evaluate and test hemp for paper, and is developing specialized processing equipment. Seed breeders are developing new strains of low-THC varieties. The Dutch word for hemp is "hennep."
NEW ZEALAND started hemp trials in 2001. Various cultivars are being planted in the north and south islands.
POLAND currently grows hemp for fabric and cordage and manufactures hemp particle board. They have demonstrated the benefits of using hemp to cleanse soils contaminated by heavy metals. The Polish word for hemp is "konopij."
ROMANIA is the largest commercial producer of hemp in Europe. 1993 acreage was 40,000 acres. Some of it is exported to Hungary for processing. They also export hemp to Western Europe and the U.S. The Romanian word for hemp is "cinepa."
RUSSIA maintains the largest hemp germplasm collection in the world at the N.I. Vavilov Scientific Research Institute of Plant Industry (VIR) in St. Petersburg. They are in need of funding to maintain and support the collection. The Russian word for hemp is "konoplya."
SLOVENIA grows hemp and manufactures currency paper.
SPAIN has never prohibited hemp, produces rope and textiles, and exports hemp pulp for paper. The Spanish word for hemp is "cañamo."
SWITZERLAND is a producer of hemp and hosts one of the largest hemp trade events, Cannatrade.
TURKEY has grown hemp for 2,800 years for rope, caulking, birdseed, paper and fuel. The Turkish word for hemp is "kendir."
UKRAINE, EGYPT, KOREA, PORTUGAL and THAILAND also produce hemp.
UNITED STATES granted the first hemp permit in over 40 years to Hawaii for an experimental quarter-acre plot in 1999. The license was renewed, but the project has since been closed due to DEA stalling tactics and related funding problems. Importers and manufacturers have thrived using imported raw materials. 22 states have introduced legislation, including VT, HI, ND, MT, MN, IL, VA, NM, CA, AR, KY, MD, WV and ME, addressing support, research or cultivation with bills or resolutions. The National Conference of State Legislators (NCSL) has endorsed industrial hemp for years.
Global Problems Are the Real Issue Here
It is one area where I do not completely agree with RP. There are issues that have to be solved collectively. Not just pollution, but diseases, human trafficking, and terrorism (to a lesser extent). I do believe that with RP as president, it will be easier to solve these problems with a foreign policy of peace, friendship, and commerce. The difference I have, however, is that I believe that an organization like the United Nations (reorganized, of course) is precisely the ideal forum for negotiating solutions to these problems. When our foreign policy is to extend empire, the United Nations is used to further that goal. When our foreign policy is peace and friendship, then the United Nations will be geared toward that goal.
The United Nations has served a very important purpose for the United States and for the world since its creation post-WWII. It has prevented most inter-state conflicts from resulting in war. In fact, the latter half of the 20th century has been marked by a great number of intra-state wars (civil wars, rebellions, oppressions) than ever. On the other hand, the number of wars between nations has plummeted to lows never before seen. An analysis of the existing violent inter-state conflicts (Pakistan-India, Ethiopia-Eritrea-Somalia, Israel-Palestine) reveals that the causes were internal, but made external by partition.
In short, international cooperation is not a bad thing under a RP presidency. It has been negative in many areas because of who are leaders are, not because of the institutions themselves. Basically, I am arguing that using the United Nations as a forum for solving global issues, rather than as a mechanism for militarily enforcing resolutions so we can increase our empire, would be a good thing. I imagine that RP understands that, but I have not received a response from his campaign.
links to articles on the hoax
just one source is worldnetdaily.com They are constantly linking to articles about the opposing scientists who are not on the GW bandwagon. One of the best i've seen is the President of Czechoslovakia who ridicules this hoax. It takes time to counter all the mis-information we've been fed all these years. Sort of like when you started listening to Dr. Paul. It doesn't always happen in 5 minutes.
In Liberty's Cause
Clell Adams
Thanks. But when you know you're getting the basic true facts of the situation, it blows the lies away faster.
links to articles on the hoax
just one source is worldnetdaily.com They are constantly linking to articles about the opposing scientists who are not on the GW bandwagon. One of the best i've seen is the President of Czechoslovakia who ridicules this hoax. It takes time to counter all the mis-information we've been fed all these years. Sort of like when you started listening to Dr. Paul. It doesn't always happen in 5 minutes.
In Liberty's Cause
New York Debating Society on Global Warming
Last March, the prestigious New York debating society, Intelligence
Squared, sponsored a debate on global warming, which may be viewed at
http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/Event.aspx?Event=12. A pre-debate poll
indicated that, by 2-to-1 (57 percent to 29 percent, with 14 percent
undecided), the audience believed that manmade global warming was a crisis.
But in the post-debate poll, the audience reversed its pre-debate views --
the ranks of the skeptics swelled to 46 percent, the believers plummeted to
42 percent and the undecided declined slightly to 12 percent.
"That's the power of debate," said Milloy. "Though Al Gore aggressively
promotes global warming alarmism, he unfortunately seems to lack confidence
in his ability to debating climate change against others. But Al Gore's
curious reluctance will hardly stop the public from being able to see how
his points stack up against that of climate experts," Milloy concluded.
For interviews contact Audrey Mullen at 703-548-1160
The self-proclaimed
The self-proclaimed "consensus" behind man-made global warming is one enforced by threats, intimidation and ignorance, as is again being proven by media coverage of the latest UN meeting in Bali, where skeptical climate scientists are being shunned and ignored if they dare express an opposing viewpoint.
Representatives of the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition , which include a member of the IPCC since its inception in 1990, were almost barred from attending the meeting when their credentials were rejected by UN officials.
"UN organizers refused my credentials and appeared desperate that I should not come to this conference. They have also made several attempts to interfere with our public meetings," said climate researcher and former British government cabinet member Christopher Monckton.
Australian scientist Dr. David Evans slammed the conference as a "circus" and warned that the UN's politicization of science had created a dangerous atmosphere.
"We have a split here. Official science driven by politics, money and power, goes in one direction. Unofficial science, which is more determined by what is actually happening with the [climate] data, has now started to move off in a different direction, away from fears of a man-made climate crisis, " Evans explained.
"The two are splitting. This is always a dangerous time for science and a dangerous time for politics. Historically science always wins these battles but there can be a lot of causalities and a lot of time in between," he concluded.
Evans cited a report in this month's International Journal of Climatology which concludes that climate change over the past thirty years is largely a result of solar activity and that attempts to reduce carbon dioxide emissions are irrelevant.
UN IPCC reviewer and climate researcher Dr. Vincent Gray of New Zealand, who has been involved in vetting IPCC reports since its inception in 1990, shattered the much vaunted infallibility of the IPCC, which is routinely put forward as evidence that "the debate is over" about the man-made causes of global warming.
"There is no evidence that carbon dioxide increases are having any affect whatsoever on the climate," said Gray.
"All the science of the IPCC is unsound. I have come to this conclusion after a very long time. If you examine every single proposition of the IPCC thoroughly, you find that the science somewhere fails."
"It fails not only from the data, but it fails in the statistics, and the mathematics," he added.
Dr. William Alexander, Emeritus Professor of the University of Pretoria in South Africa and a former member of the United Nations Scientific and Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, warned that the UN's drive to force poorer countries to adopt policies on climate change would increase poverty and lead to more death.
Owen McShane agreed, arguing that such policies will lead to financial ruin for struggling countries.
"Having the same set of rules apply to everybody will blow some economies apart totally while others will be unscathed and I wouldn't be surprised if the ones who remain unscathed are the ones who write the rules," said McShane.
Have you heard any of these climate experts quoted in any mainstream media report about the Bali meeting? Do a Google search - there are no corporate media reports covering their speeches and presentations.
Contrast this with the amount of attention lavished on those who push the UN's pre-determined, politicized and unscientific rhetoric - the chicken little sky is falling propaganda about the coming global warming apocalypse.
This is how the "consensus" scam is maintained - any dissenting view is discouraged, shunned and ignored, just as it was when the "consensus" view that the earth was flat and that it was the center of the universe was aggressively upheld as scientific fact.
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?option=com_content&tas...
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/11785734...
Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility
I think we
could drink beer and talk and argue about this for hours. I love science and politics so no problem for me. I actually think the science if fairly sound, certainly not perfect, but the political solutions are bloody nonsense. I tend to favor Bjorn Lomborg's ideas.
The crux of the original post is one that I think you would support. That is, there are voters out there who might come over to RP if he spoke to their concerns about the sketchy politics of this issue AND his solutions. In MHO he could say alot more. Market forces, not UN or Kyoto, can solve this!
h-daddy
Dr Paul is
riight about Iraq
right about the Patriot Act
right about Iram
right about monetary policy
I think he will be more right than wrong on this issue. If it is repeated as a drum beat on Old Media sources we should doubt it.
Liberty = Responsibility
Liberty = Responsibility