Gulf Beaches Hit as Distant Hurricane Pushes Oil
Submitted by meekandmild on Wed, 06/30/2010 - 18:59
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GRAND ISLE, La. – Rough seas generated by Hurricane Alex pushed more oil from the massive spill onto Gulf coast beaches as cleanup vessels were sidelined by the far-away storm's ripple effects.
The hurricane was churning coastal waters across the oil-affected region on the Gulf of Mexico. Waves as high as 6 feet and winds over 25 mph were forecast through Thursday just off shore from the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle.
In Louisiana, the storm pushed an oil patch toward Grand Isle and uninhabited Elmer's Island, dumping tar balls as big as apples on the beach.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill
Video of gulf coast from RT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEtGZjjYdfU&playnext_from=TL&...
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Don t worry , just embrace
Don t worry , just embrace the gulf.
Alex jones is just a scare monger, stay and inhale the gulf fumes.
Put your children in the heat, according to the authorities it is perfectly fine.
/Mike
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you are so funny Mike
yep
Big Brother Loves us and wants us to be safe in fema camps...
everything we are told on TV is true...
wars are good they bring jobs for Dick Cheney and his buddies...
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EPA Says Dispersant Less Toxic Than Oil
http://www.wkrg.com/gulf_oil_spill/article/epa-says-dispersa...
by Lauren Styler
Wed, June 30, 2010
Lauren Styler
WASHINGTON, D.C. - EPA officials say their first round of testing on chemicals used to break apart the oil in the Gulf shows all the available dispersants are generally equally toxic. The testing Wednesday showed the chemicals are far less toxic than oil. Officials said none of the chemicals had dangerous effects on the sea life tested. The chemicals break oil into smaller particles that are easier for microbes to consume. Anastas says the chemicals break down in weeks or months, while it takes oil years to biodegrade. However, he cautioned that more testing was needed to study how toxic the dispersants are when mixed with oil. This round of testing only studied the chemicals not mixed with oil.
cooper11, Not all of the ingredients are known.
Ingredients of Controversial Dispersants Used on Gulf Spill Are Secrets No More
By ELANA SCHOR of Greenwire
Published: June 9, 2010
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EPA had previously advised BP to find less toxic dispersant alternatives to Corexit after reports that the Nalco formulas were ranked by the agency as more hazardous and less effective on southern Louisiana crude (Greenwire, May 13).
"EPA had the authority to act all along; its decision to now disclose the ingredients demonstrates this," Brian Turnbaugh, a policy analyst at the government watchdog group OMB Watch, said in a blog post on the release. "Yet it took a public outcry and weeks of complaints for the agency to act and place the public's interest ahead of corporate interests."
Wilma Subra, a trained Louisiana chemist who has provided technical assistance to environmental groups since the spill, said the lack of public knowledge of Corexit ingredients has stymied Gulf cleanup workers who seek later medical treatment for symptoms that could be attributable to dispersant exposure.
"They're taken to the doctor, and the doctor doesn't know what they've been exposed to," Subra said. "That's a huge issue for medical people, having to be responsive and not knowing what it is they're having to deal with."
http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/06/09/09greenwire-ingredie...
Of course, I know...cee cee
My old company, Arcadis, had the contract to do the air monitoring in post 9/11. They gave the real dire results to the EPA. Whithman was instructed for the EPA to lie about it. Same old game played here.
amen brother
been there too...same old game...new boss same as the old boss
and if they can't outright lie...they just change the standards or the reporting requirement or some procdure or other...as you know
they out themselves whenever they speak...if we listen carefully enough
unfortunately, they can behave without accountability and with impunity
cee cee
I agree
"they out themselves whenever they speak...if we listen carefully enough
unfortunately, they can behave without accountability and with impunity"
Like experts right?
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
why sampling is so important
ah...the games that can get played if there is no laboratory sampling (and fyi...clothing can be sampled if air can't be)
however, this seems odd to me as MD's can always start a protocol....if the MD knows what they are doing
another reason to get to an ER rather than a practitioner...and better yet to get to a hospital with an occupational medicine group...more than one in NO area...do not know about other areas
cee cee
And the EPA told rescue workers
that is was safe to breath the dust from the demolition of the WTC. Now how many hundreds/thousands are dead ? How many are dying ? How can there be so many evil people ? What ever happened to conscience ?
A country without a conscience is doomed.
Just one last kick in the nuts, then a final deathblow
cooper 11....right there in the article are the KEY lines
"however he cautioned more testing was needed to study how toxic the dispersants are when mixed with oil"
in other words, the synergistic issue...I can take two very "non-toxic" substances/compounds and combine them to create a very "deadly" substance...
(to be fair: or in the reverse....I can degrade or synergistically alter a "toxic" substance/compound into an innocuous substance)
not to mention the impact of same on either natural microbial processes and/or other natural dispersal modalities
"this round of testing only studied the chemicals not mixed with oil"
meaning: this is inapplicable to the current situation/condition: as here we have the chemicals mixed with oil
the EPA has NO credibility with me...and this event should make the "why" of that very apparent
thanks for posting this
cee cee
Interactive SERT map to Track Beach Conditions
Use this map tool to track conditions and response.
The orange are priority recon alerts and the reds are emergency. Scroll over the areas to see pop up reports and use the sliding bar on right for more details and beach photos. Save this tool because unfortunately, we will be needing it for quite some time.
Sert map
http://map.floridadisaster.org/GATOR/index.html
* Please avoid exposure especially those individuals in the higher risk categories.
Health Hazards and Safety
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/138680#comment-1481549
"I think we are living in a world of lies: lies that don't even know they are lies, because they are the children and grandchildren of lies." ~ Chris Floyd
good tool for those who want to track
thinking this should be bumped given the current conditions
cee cee
Just
keep that oil away from Texas. Better a hurricane than have the oil pushed onto our Texas shore.
And yes, if I were in LA, FLA or in-between I would leave for awhile if I could.
Juat got a report from my aunts condo in Panama City Beach
next to St. Andrews State Park.
Yes there is oil on the beaches and an oil smell in the air. Pretty simple huh?
then please tell her
close the windows and stay in....sorry to hear this
cee cee
Interesting report
Volume to fill half the Empire state Building? That tells me nothing. Empire State Building is for comparing height.
How about 4 Exxon Valdez spills, Or X number of Olympic sized swimming pools. Or Y number of Tanker Ships or Trucks. Or how about the number of car-miles that amount fuels for a day?
Macondo leak over 140 million gallons to date
Exxon Valdez spill was 32 million gallons
Ixtoc leak 126 million gallons of crude.
Are the numbers I found on wiki. Consider the source. Have better, I would be interested.
Free includes debt-free!
I will jump in fearlessly knowing the certain outcome
The estimate on Macondo ASSUMES a constant flow rate from day 1. A fatal flaw in my book.
There are 5 different (at my last count) working groups of "experts" quantifying flow rate by various methodologies.
This flow is comprised of ngl's, super critical methane, and oil. It is phasing, and turbulent. Particle size and velocity are key issues...and there is are VERY key issues of obstructions and erosion (entrained sand and/or expanding diameters of "leak" points).
In my PROFESSIONAL opinion, this "flow rate" would not be constant, or constitute a static piece of data, (would naturally fluctuate with time given the variables/factors). It likely began at the 1-5,000 bpd and then increased (or increased/decreased) as per factors.
In the end, it will be the time-weighted-average that will tell the truer story than the computational fluid dynamic assessments we may make at various points in time.
If one is so inclined, they can perform "back-of-the-envelope" calcs from data posted at various "official" event sites or from the topical information posted at various "unofficial" working group sites.
cee cee
1-5,000 bpd
WRONG
Try 60,000 to 100,000 bpd for the past few months in the Gulf of Mexico.
"Its estimate of up to 100,000 barrels (4.2 million gallons/15.9 million liters) of oil per day is far higher than the current U.S. government estimate of up to 60,000 barrels (2.5 million gallons/9.5 million liters) gushing daily from the ruptured offshore well. "
http://in.biz.yahoo.com/100621/137/bavtfm.html
Excuse me... Your professional opinion is a joke.
Stop calling yourself an expert. You're an opinion and a bad one at that. Yes you work for the industry and when you spread lies like this on the DP you will get called out for them.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
not intending to respond
no response ever again to your comments...baiting
don't bother wasting the space or your efforts
cee cee
Copout
that is a copout.
Address the information.
You said 1-5,000 bpd... The cold reality is it's Over 60,000 and BP estimates it at that yet you still push bad info.
Don't claim you're going to ignore my post then respond.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
From this point on
I'll ignore him too. It seems as though he's just here to argue any point even if he counters his own argument.
Hey I do believe
You still haven't apologized to Jefferson..
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
bingo
have reached the same conclusion...just took me longer than you to get there
cee cee
ha...same here!
Moratorium on Whimple/Oruval/Gadsden... :)
'Cause there's a monster on the loose
I like it better
when you don't respond. I will still comment on the spin tho..
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
I have reached the conclusion
you're here to down play the oil spill and seem like an expert when in all reality your a spin artist like bugman.
"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man."
-- Thomas Jefferson
After my comment, I went looking for the flow rates of wells.
1 Barrels per Day BPD = .029 GPM [gallons per minute] or 50 tonnes per year.
20,000 BPD is about 600 GPM. That's the output of a Firetruck with unlimited supply.
How does that compare with production volumes of operating wells, in similar geology. Its the job of the bugmen to pick the sweet spot.
What is the maximum and average BPD output of similar sized bores? What is the range and variability of the gas/oil fraction in operating wells?
As we are talking about oil seeping through sand under pressure into a well pipe/bore. There is some resistance when oil flows through sand. Instead of back of the envelope guesses, history is a better place to establish rough benchmarks.
Is this the outcome you feared when posting?
Free includes debt-free!
no Paul....this is the outcome I hoped for
(dreaded the random unwitting attack syndrome)
when I was speaking of sand erosion, speaking of the sand particles naturally entrained with flow....
as for obstructions, was referring to the riser initially....before cut and replaced....
wild wells typically do NOT flow like production wells
other production wells in deep water in GoM seem to be producing in the 40,000 bpd range (but will defer to Bug Man regarding same as that is his area, not mine)
this happens to be a very gassy well...although there are indications the GOR has diminished with time...will have to check on current ratios thinking this was about 3:1 the last time I checked (at 6:1 or thereabouts, would be classified as a gas well)
always a pleasure to try to answer your questions
cee cee