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Support the lesser evil.

Yes, I've heard the standard rebuttal to that which is "The lesser evil is still evil." Well, guess what? Even if the lesser evil is still evil, it is still the lesser evil.

If we don't support a candidate because he's little "evil," we're just making it easier for the more evil candidates to win. What will we have accomplished? Nothing at all. The greater evil candidate will win. And greater evil candidates will win over and over as long as we just sit on our hands waiting for a candidate of pure unadulterated good to come along.

Get involved. There is nothing good or admirable about you if you allow greater evil to win by your apathy and perfectionism.

(Note: After seeing some replies below, apparently some don't know what the adage "Vote for the lesser evil" even means. It means to vote for the person that you have some real disagreements with but disagree with them less than the other candidates. It's not meant that the candidate is literally "evil," as in sinister, demonic, or wanting to intentionally inflict pain and suffering on society to obtain sadistic pleasure. I was just continuing with the poetic license using the words "evil" and good.")

(Another note, because many people below still aren't getting the point: I voted for Dr. Paul because he was the "lesser evil." In other words, I didn't agree with all his positions, but I agreed with him more than all the other candidates' positions. So I voted for him. If you wait to find a candidate to support that is a perfect match for your views, or a perfect match to Dr. Paul's views, you're not helping the cause of liberty at all.)

(Yes another note, become some STILL aren't getting it: Support Rand Paul, Peter Schiff, and other candidates who may have some positions you don't agree with, because if you don't you're just letting the greater "evil" win.)

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to theguy: Speaking of going over one's head...

Republican is a party affiliation, not necessarily a philosophy. I am an American but I am also a New Yorker, and a registered independent who votes for third-party candidates.

Ron Paul is a member of the Republican party...and that's where the similarity ends.

And if you interpret fewer policy differences with one candidate over another to mean lesser evil, then that is your peculiar definition. If anyone does not understand what that means, it is you. Giving it your own spin does not change its meaning. Read the book "The True Believer" and you'll understand (well, maybe not).

Pneumonia and cancer - choose either disease and you can die. I choose to live.

What will we have accomplished?

What we will have accomplished is sending the Republican Party a MESSAGE ... stop putting up career politicians for candidates!

There's ONLY two choices for this movement to go; and as I explain, it is based upon Ron Paul's instruction to "clean up your own backyard".

We are to be replacing politicians with statesmen; not replacing Democrats with Republicans!

So, based on one's geographical location; either the Patriots will SUPPORT a statesman put up by their Republican Party chapter...or...the Democrats will win because we WILL NOT SUPPORT EVIL.

That means, we will steadfastly VOTE on principle...

In the grand scheme of things, since Republicans are just as big government as the Democrats are...maybe the Republican ELITE do not really care....but the PEOPLE that do all the work underneath them do! They pour their heart and soul into re-incarnating Ronald Reagan in every election...and they'll HATE US for not helping their "lesser evil" guy against a Democrat...

So...we HOLD OUR GROUND on principle until they get the message! Let us run your party, let us show you what type of candidates America needs; or, continue to suffer loss, after loss, after loss because you're stupid and blind - and you will be left cold and naked OUT OF POWER because you do not KNOW what America needs!

Either we're stuck in a two-party system, or we are not...voting for "the lesser evil" is the EASY WAY - but it isn't the east way OUT of anything, it perpetuates the ignorance, recklessness, and corruption.

Who said this was going to be EASY? It took a civil war to throw off tyranny at the time of our founding...do you really think voting for puppet Republicans who will behave and lie like every Republican that has played the whip game in order to keep their seat, the "majority" in the House or Senate, or keep the dough flowing in to RNC headquarters will decrease the size and scope of government?

America faces serious problems right now...and the real problem is that nobody wants to do or say the hard things, the offensive things, and the truthful things...that we are NOT going to get out from under this tyranny with FAKE ethic, fancy Republican campaigns, and more empty promises about a Tea Party Caucus in Washington D.C. - or a list put out by Democrats that Republicans are aligned with Tea Party folks...and plan on doing any of these "popular" things ...

1. Repeal the Affordable Care Act (Health Insurance Reform)

2. Privatize Social Security or phase it out altogether

3. End Medicare as it presently exists

4. Extend the Bush tax breaks for the wealthy and big oil

5. Repeal Wall Street Reform

6. Protect those responsible for the oil spill and future environmental catastrophes

7. Abolish the Department of Education

8. Abolish the Department of Energy

9. Abolish the Environmental Protection Agency

10. Repeal the 17th Amendment

REPUBLICANS WON'T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS ...

- BECAUSE THEY LIE - they are POLITICIANS!

This is a WAR...it will be a LONG ONE....we need 218 Ron Paul's & 50 Peter Schiff's to do ANY OF THESE ... that is why the "lesser of two evils" is a B.S. right-wing populist GAME.

It will take a LONG TIME to re-educate the electorate as to WHAT they are supposed to look for in a candidate for public office...and if we have to keep putting up LIBERTY candidates to UPSET the party and HURT Republicans then that is what we must do...

The people haven't suffered enough YET! That is why the demand isn't there yet - but by all means DO NOT support the "lesser of two evils" and COMPROMISE ... don't go BACK to the Republicans UNLESS they want you and your principles there!

If we can agree that government is evil or even a necessary evil

Than absolutely support the one that supports the least amount of evil.
I would also add that establishment candidates tend to truly be evil--like eat your kids style.

"Supporting an

"Supporting an interventionist foreign policy doesn't make one evil." ...theguy

I highly doubt you voted for Ron Paul.

Why do you doubt I voted for Ron Paul?

I'm a non-interventionist. You're not getting the point here. If the only choice is between an extreme interventionist and a mild interventionist, I'm going to vote for the mild interventionist. That's only rational for me, since I'm a non-interventionist. I want as little intervention as possible. If I sit out and not vote, then I'm just helping the extreme interventionist win.

And saying ""Supporting an interventionist foreign policy doesn't make one evil" is true. Most, if not almost everyone, supports an interventionist foreign policy because they think it protects us against terrorism and/or they think we're going to be able to bring democracy and freedom to other countries through nation building. These interventionists are not evil people. That is, they don't have evil intent. They're just, in my estimation, wrong. An interventionist policy does NOT make us safer. If you think the huge percentage of people in the U.S. that support interventionism are evil, I feel sorry for you. It must be a really scary world for feeling like you're being surrounded by such wickedness everywhere.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

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How do you define evil?

Because I would define, murdering countless people to bring about your personal goals in terms of world structure to be the purest definition of evil. Hitler and Stalin are perfect examples of politicians that believed in interventionist foreign policy. And in fact was the single most defining characteristic that qualified them as evil...

So American politicians get a pass on this, why?

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Joη's picture

Admit that's a silly title for a post

You could have rephrased it and set a completely different tone for this thread.  A more positive adage, like "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good".

Instead, you use weighted words which deflected people who agree on 98% of a platform to spend 98% of their energy arguing the remaining 2%.  If you're truly trying to help, understand it is rarely wise to term what you seek doing evil.

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I agree

Although I understood what he meant,it is a little misleading in proper direction of definition.I think folks immediately relate the word evil with a snake in an apple tree.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I guess I overestimated the intelligence and education here.

I thought everybody knew that "evil" in the adage "vote for the lesser evil" doesn't mean LITERAL evil.

I guess you need to talk to people like they're little kids. Maybe they actually are. Who knows?

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

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neither is it wise to insult your audience

nor fair to assume everyone has the same definitions for words as you...and then harp upon it.

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You don't get it.

We are talking about murder and slavery, NOT a difference of opinion. How much murder and slavery is acceptable to you?

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Huh?

Where do you see murder and slavery anywhere in my post? I'm talking about supporting people such as Rand Paul or Peter Schiff, and anyone else a Ron Paul purist may have some disagreements with.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

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lol...

Policy of unjustified wars = murder.
Policy of INVOLUNTARY taxation = slavery.

And I don't care WHO we are talking about. If they support wars, they support murder. If they support the police state, they support murder, and if they support taxation, they support slavery.

Most of the liberty candidates to date have turned out to be a disappointment in one of these two regards (with exception to RJ Harris, as he maintained consistency in his beliefs and kept them in line with libertarian principles).

Oh, and by the way. YOU don't understand the phrase. It does mean vote for the guy that will hurt you, but hurt you less. It does not mean the guy you disagree with less.

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Let's accept your definition..

"It does mean vote for the guy that will hurt you, but hurt you less." Ok, so how is it rational for you to let someone get into office that's going to hurt you more?

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

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How is it rational to accept being hurt at all?

Are you a battered wife? Do you think if you just do a better job next time and stay out of his way you won't get hurt as much? Maybe a slightly less abusive man would be ok? You leave him, and find a better person, period.

Your logic is deeply flawed and creates a cycle of perpetual slavery and murder.

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Under attack again

1 Day, 7 hours, give me a friggin break.

Why do you feel attacked?

Are you one of these people that I'm talking about that wont support Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, etc?

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

Secret pals

a man's voting record does not make for a very accurate depiction of the man or what he stands for.

In todays politics the party that votes NO, knows what the score is before they vote. The two parties are progressives, PERIOD. So they decide who is going to vote which way and either, take the fall or take the blessing. This is how it works..The parties are simply to make you feel like you have input. You have witnessed the recent proof of what I'm saying . They all are in on progressivism. Either party promotes the NWO agenda. That is why "We the People" are losing ..We belive the two party system is on the level. It's not. They all graduate and come out of the SAME schools and learn the same philosophy, NWO.
They actually believe they have the keys to solving mankinds problems..They deceive themselves with a lie.

The chips are falling and the time is short , stick to what you know is right. Hope for the best and pray for the best, as these people have messed up too badly for man to fix it. We can only maintain for now. Choose wisely and stick to the plan.

Astoundingly ignorant statement about the lesser evil...

that's like saying that pneumonia is better than cancer. Well, maybe it is - but both of them still can kill you. For those of you who remember the late, great, magnificent Harry Browne - here is what he said:

"If you vote Republican or Democrat, you are giving up. You’re saying 'I’m never going to be free. America will never be a free country again. I will never get smaller government. So I’m just going to vote for the one I think will take me to hell at the slowest-possible rate.'"

People like you (theguy) are taking the rest of us to hell. And anyone who does not believe in Constitutional government is evil - "sinister, demonic,...sadistic." Yes, Lenin and Stalin and Hitler got it correct - useful idiots. It scares me that people like you vote.

That's why I voted for Ron Paul.

He is the "lesser evil." In other words, I don't agree with all his positions but his views are the closest to mine.

The point of my post has totally gone over your head.

And it's really odd that you quote Harry Browne: ""If you vote Republican or Democrat, you are giving up. You’re saying 'I’m never going to be free..." Guess what? Ron Paul is a Republican. So you see, Harry Browne is guilty of the same irrationality.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

Here's the deal

Other than Ron Paul,Because there never will be another like him,It is all a gamble,Even if you could find someone that you thought was perfect they could change after getting into office.No one is ever going to be perfect so about the only thing you can do is go with the best odds or nothing is going to change for many years while waiting for perfect.We are running out of time.

If I disappear from a discussion please forgive me. My 24-7 business requires me to split mid-sentence to serve them. I am not ducking out, I will be back later to catch up.

I don't always agree with Ron

I don't always agree with Ron Paul's views but I do have respect and confidence in the MAN. He will be given the opportunity to persuade and convince me because I know his motives are genuine. I will never settle for the lesser of two evils again. Instead of a third party, I agree with the suggestion that we have NO party politics. Each candidate stands on his/her own merit.

Exacto.

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My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

I see what you're saying

If it were about eating McDonalds or going hungry- Id eat McDonalds. If I needed a plumber and I could only call an auto mechanic- Id give the mechanic a try. But if I needed a dr, Ill be damned if im going to call an hatchet murderer because the only other person awake at that hour is an axe murderer. So it is with politics. At this stage I can only vote my conscience. But I do understand your point.

I vote my conscience too.

My conscience tells me to vote for the lesser evil, i.e. a person who I don't agree with on everything but agree with him more than the other candidates. If someone's conscience doesn't tell them to do that, I'd say there's something wrong with their conscience. Their conscience has programmed with irrationality.

Anyway, I'm glad someone sees my point. It has gone over everyone's head below. And here I thought I was making it easy to understand.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

What we have now....

...is the culmination of decades of just that thinking.

No thanks.

No more.

I may not know the truth, but I know when I'm being lied to...

no how. no way. no evil. thank you,...

LastAmericanStanding. We need more like you and less like theguy.

I would have never voted for Ron Paul

if I thought like you. I voted for him because I agreed with his views the most, over the other candidates. I don't agree with all of his views.

My favorite people in the world: Ron Paul, Glenn Beck, Peter Schiff, Judge Napolitano, Milton Friedman, Bob Barr, and John Stossel

So how does that make him the lesser of two evils?

Your argument is weak and illogical. I don't agree with all of Ron Paul's views either but I don't define him as a lesser evil. On the views most important to me, I agree with him.

You are using concepts that you don't understand and so can't explain them well. Then you attack your detractors (of which there are many).

how about specifics?

specifics are more important then generalities.

without specifics, and examples, this topic is meaningless.