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*Warning! Stefan Molyneux is a "cult" leader*

I know he has fans here because he states many truths about the coercive state, but go over to his website,
I did and for two days I learned a lot. This guy is one sick ****. He exploits the weak and downtrodden and makes them believe that you should choose him and his philosophy on life over their own blood. It is sickening.

Go here and enter the chat. The "Dr. Phil" (Molyneux) comes in to do a little sick theraputic session on how those who believe in Anarchy have been abused by their parents and he tries to help solve their problems, by telling them what to do. When he shows up, they all drop what they are talking about and ask him questions about their upbringing and the challenges they see in life. IT IS SICKENING!

Just so you know fellow DPers, I represented us to the fullest extent of my being. I broke in to this "cult" and "destroyed" there rationale for believing this "snake oil salesman" b.s.

The first day, I reacting angrily and lashed out at them for wanting to know why they deny many things, but they would not answer, which got me very frustrated. Just asking questions got them quickly on the defensive. These "sad" people are being "brainwashed" by this sick ****.

How about YOU take Positive action and do something about this?

Anarchy, to me is the goal, minarchism(I donated about 80 dollars today) is a way to anarchism. I do not believe a group of people should be able to tell me what to do. I believe RP believes that is the goal, because total freedom or non coercion is the ultimate goal.

If you don't believe what I have stated, just go there. Over the last two days, Stef has shown up. He banned me today for questioning to much.

If you could read the truth I spoke to them fellow DPers, or Ron Paul supporters, YOU would have given me an internet "high five". I brought up RP and "destroyed" Stef. He has no explanation on the best course of action. RP has led the way, Just Follow It.

Again, if you don't believe me, just go there yourself. They banned me and it's IP driven(a little "north korea" of isolation" so I'm Screwed, until I go to the library.

Just hang out and ask questions. They don't like questions, and will get very defensive. Logic and reasoning only go so far.

I actually played "Stef's" game where he instructs people to play dumb to Statists and they will reveal their logical fallacies, and I did just that to his own "followers". They crumbled and blocked me and then when I kept asking for an answer politely, Stef(who was there) banned me. "We don't want no trouble makers around here asking questions."

PLEASE, PLEASE, if you got this far, Please go there and try to save these people from a serious f'n "weirdo". Just watch, if you don't want to participate.

This guy is a "stain" on the message of Anarchy and I hope other anarchists will work as a collective for once, to destroy this evil sick individual. I say evil sick individual because he makes his living off donations from his "lost" cult members who believe in his as a guru.

Take action, and remove the "stain". Plus his believers believe in Liberty, but he exploits childhood trauma to take every dollar from these "down and out" individuals.

Nothing will stop him except for you. Step forward, and take sometime to "chat" there. In a minarchist or anarchist society, people have to take action against this type of thing, on their own individual basis, by waking up cult followers like this. You are free to say what you want, but never "hire" someone else to supress that speech or actions. Partake in what going on and you reason and logic and you will win.

I've gone on far, far too long. If you read this, please bump it. Wasted to much time, but I care, and I can't do anything about that.

Please back a "brotha" up, and check it out yourself. Don't believe me, just go there, I would never think less of you like that(that you would believe me, I wouldn't believe me, LOL).

http://freedomainradio.com/Home.aspx

Click on the chat, and hang out when you have time. You will see it.




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Parents can raise their kids to be screwed up?

inst the fundamental principle behind anarchy that people do what is in their rational best interest? Are you saying his followers are unable to determine what is rational?

i love irony

I'm tired of divisive BS and over critical whiners.

The tyrants are the focus. Distractions and divisive talk is the tool of the tyrants and infiltrators. Everyone who wants less government and does not believe in initiating force is my ally.

People are free to join cults.

I'm not clicking anything with Stefbot's name on it. Sorry.

Ron Paul "Sign Wave Across the USA" -- November 5th!

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Jeez, RPWND, if you ranted as hysterically

in Monlyneaux's forum as in your OP, I'm not surprised they didn't want you around.

Nobody forced you into that forum, why bother with it if you didn't find it useful? Why burst in on a group of people joined voluntarily for an activity they find useful and start insulting folks, calling names etc?

While I actually agree with you on several points, your critique of Molyneaux could be presented rationally and with courtesy. he's not advocating force or any, IMO, immoral actions. He may be off in some ways, I'd agree, but free people may make mistakes and are far more likely to grow and rectify them if their choices are respectfully debated.

Finally, I think Molyneaux does far more good in spreading excellent ideas than he may err in offering ill-considered ideas. If we try to be the best individual proponents of liberty possible, we'll be out influencing people and have far less time to spend on forums engaging in lengthy, heated, angry diatribes.

i quickly lost my appetite to label myself.

there's this little game people play.

1. they label themselves because most people have to. they feel a need to belong. (example: i put most self declared mainstream republicans and democrats in this category)

2. they label themselves, with something that most people are unfamiliar with. they believe that their living example will impress people, and upon others hearing the label, they will rush out and try and learn all about it, so they too, can become part of the next great thing. (example: i put most self declared minarchists in this category)

3. then there are those who find labels to be not very useful and avoid them when they can. classifying this non-group, is impossible, because they are few, and very diverse.

minarchism/anarchism

doesn't really exist as a significant phenomenon over a significant number of people.

small pockets, maybe. but even then, put a 100 people on an island, and within days, you will have pockets of order. and between those pockets you will have conflict. and the groups that form will have some internal order and some internal conflict, and interaction between groups will contain some order, and some conflict.

natural law will occur.

and what you will end up with is NOT anarchy. perhaps minarchy. bit evem then, that description system will fail to accurately describe reality. just like saying "constitutional republic" or "democracy"

all these things are just words, which are labels for abstractions in our head, which differ from reality.

It's kind of a chicken/egg thing. Here's the sequence:

1. Find a government and it's body politic.

2. Describe said government/body politic.

3. It will never be described as anarchy or even minarchy. Because if you could describe it as such, you would not have found it in step 1. in the first place. Go back to step 1.

The words anarchy/minarch are still useful in the context of describing some ideals, in which arguments for less government can be made.

People who fear "anarchy" or "minarchy" might as well be afraid of casper the ghost.

anarchy and minarchy would be transitional pockets that occur when a larger structure fails.

if you want to fear something, fear what happens when a big government finally pancakes from being evil, bloated, irrelevant, overbearing, or just finally run it's course.

Are you just stating "truth"

or do you have an answer dwfrider? Of course, everything is lies, manipulation and force and all efforts to stop "evil" are futile. They are that way because humans are only semi rational because we are animals and the human animal gets a "chemical high" off of "power".

It will be learned through pain. Humans still don't understand that there are ways to solve things without violence. It will take generations before humans give up on violence as a method to solve their problems, if ever, because our adrenal glands are way too big for our current environment. But the collape is a "game changer".

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Thanks for the bumps

But YOU are the reason there is NO HOPE! You USE this thread to espouse your beliefs about how you believe in your own enslavement and justify it with a bunch of hyperbole about "worse" case scenarios. Anarchy is a long term goal. HELLO! You need to "wake up" people to the fact that you are slaves. You were half the year to give "payoffs" to the "mafia" so they will not put you in jail or kill you. Keep on supporting your own enslavement and the mass genocide that the U.S. has caused and is causing around the world.

Wake them up through minarchy first, but minarchy is laughable under your own standards. It is no more possible than anarchy, but humans, hopefully, through the internet and free discourse wake up. Otherwise there is no hope. Keep wasting you time believing in a piece of paper that was a little "speed bump" to tyranny. Was pass the point of no return.

Instead of supporting an anarchist, who points out how another anarchist is "staining" our beliefs, you bunch of ignorants, use is as a little podium to bash non coercion and therefore support coercion.

I would not those who believe in a piece of paper that means whatever "judges" say it means, to attack those who wish you were truly free.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Well

I find some of his videos brilliant.

I don't really care about the man, I don't know him, only the ideas interests me.

Dr. Paul Does Not

Dr. Paul does not believe in anarchy, has said so publicly, so please quit trying to associate him with your brand of chaos as he is a Constitutionalist.

But yes Stefan is rather creepy.

Allison Bricker

http://SmArgus.com

"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

"Chaos"

Please explain. I am advocating "chaos" but I'm sure that's what you have been "taught" to believe through the system.

If you believe in non coercion, then you are an Anarchist. Do you believe in coercion? If so, please explain.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

My Philosophy

My philosophy is rooted in that all individuals are born free and posses the liberty to do as the see fit in as much as they do not violate an other person or their property.

So I am averse to coercion except when in self-defense.

However, my separation and designation of anarchy as Chaos is that there are no legal remedies (judicial self-defense) in which a person may defend transgressions against their rights; only the law of the jungle or "private" security firms i.e. Blackwaters.

As history hath shown the chaos of anarchy is merely the welcome mat to the next dictator as people tire of the abuses of private security firms and/or having to defend their property 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Further, the need to never travel to far from home in defense of one's property stalls the artistic, scientific, and technological pursuits of a civilization as all resources must be devoted to defense.

The Wiemar, France, and the Caribbean nations are all perfect examples of what happens when a government is toppled, anarchy ensues and in the vacuum a new tyrant fills the breach equal to or worse than the governmment previously toppled.

Hence why those with minds grounded in Reason, such as Dr. Paul realize that a limited Constitutionally restrained government is necessary.

Perhaps when humanity evolves to the level of Angels, then an anarchist system will gain validity, until then you are merely inviting a tyrant to lord over us and our posterity.

Allison Bricker

http://SmArgus.com

"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

There, fixed that for ya.

Main Entry: pos·sess
Pronunciation: \pə-ˈzes also -ˈses\
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French possesser to have possession of, take possession of, from Latin possessus, past participle of possidēre, from potis able, having the power + sedēre to sit — more at potent, sit
Date: 14th century

1 a : to have and hold as property : own b : to have as an attribute, knowledge, or skill
2 a : to take into one's possession b : to enter into and control firmly : dominate c : to bring or cause to fall under the influence, possession, or control of some emotional or intellectual response or reaction
3 a obsolete : to instate as owner b : to make the owner or holder —used in passive construction to indicate simple possession

— pos·ses·sor noun

Hadn't seen this one.

Every DPer who supports this guy should watch this video.

He's lost all credibility with me.

Hey Brit

I asked him about RP, and he didn't have an a real answer. I told him I am here because of RP and the DP. He changed subjects after a quick response. He posted this. Haven't even watched it yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY3D9ie-SfY&feature=related

All of you who are against Anarchism, even though you truly don't know why, please don't use this thread to post your anti anarchist beliefs, so therefore in you mind anarchism is wrong because of one guy.

I am trying to expose what is going on and all you care about is yourselves. Just goes to show how pointless all our effort is... humans are the way they are and will only learn by over and over "beating their heads" into a "wall", will they realize that there is no "wall" at all. No hope anytime soon esp. in the lifetime of myself or those I care about. But go on trying to fix the system. LOL.

Just support those who spreads the Liberty message, plain and simple.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Molyneux claimed that a Ron Paul administration would be...

..."a disaster".

He claimed that it would set the cause of liberty back by "hundreds of years".

He gave an incredibly stupid scenario where the privatization of the US postal service would lead to riots and civil unrest requiring martial law. LOL. WTF?

He is right on non coercion and the way he helps you see it

and his "against me" argument is great, but he is exploiting people for his own benefit. His little "cult" has some "weird" beliefs. Go there for a little bit and see what I'm talking about.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Cult leaders thrive on unworkable schemes.

Anarchy fits the bill perfectly. So does psychotherapy.

I have a real problem with any "anarchist" who tells me to pay my taxes!

RPWND, I recommend this book

RPWND, I recommend this book to you: Human Action, by Ludwig von Mises.

Your statement "I am trying to expose what is going on and all you care about is yourselves", reminded me.

I will look into it. Thanks for the recommendation.

What you quoted me on had to do with my post, and if people actually cared, they would take a few seconds and help me out with what I had to say in my thread post.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

Thanks to the Mises

Thanks to the Mises Institute, you can read the entire book for free.

PDF link:
http://mises.org/books/humanaction.pdf

I've never been

to his website, because frankly I'm not interested in Molyneux or anything he has to say.
And I feel much the same about virtually every anarchist writer that I've come across.

I'm not surprised at all by anything you posted in the OP, either.

I won't be going there to "expose him". He's already been quite embarrassingly "exposed" for a long time. I have better things to do with my time.

Thanks for the Bump BigT

I think your a good dude. I disagree with statements about Anarchish, because the that is the "heart" of libertarianism. I know you disagree, but would have a conversation with you. In the long term vision of Liberty what is the goal? 51% of people telling the other %49 what to do? Minarchism is the goal for our life, and it just might happen if the economic collapse happens, otherwise it is dictatorship, pretty much, and that will only build resentment to "authority" and lead eventually to the belief in "self rule".

I don't like how you used my thread to bash Anarchism. That's not cool at all. Don't "hit and run". Anarchism is the true goal. Look into it.

Plus, you are a slave now. Talking to massa and trying to get them to fix the system is a "fool's errand". The slaves of the early 1800's believed in the system, and then when one of the slave's woke up to his enslavement, he was made an example of and tracked down with the help of the gov't. You don't see that now. Trying to reform the system that enslaves you is futile. I am long term just like RP, and will always support fully those who speak a minarchist belief system.

What do you want BigT? Think about your current reality and the circumstances we find ourself in? Support minarchy is the answer, because after the collapse expect dictatorship. The "rules will change. I wonder though if a TRUE dictatorship will work and how it will be funded, so therefore I have hope that those who we have supported who support minarchist ideals, will "win" out. I doubt it, because "might makes right" in peoples' minds and will until the collapse which will be a "game changer".

The "system" is way past the "point of no return", where it takes much longer to get back to the beginning then it takes to get to your "destination". Dictatorship? Yes, most people are "mindless" right now and consumed with their own life, excepting the system that enslave them and destroys their potential life. But with 300 million guns and a "culture" of freedom, not only including knowledge, will a true tyrannical dictatorship happen. These are "interesting times".

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

For a self-proclaimed

For a self-proclaimed anarchist, you certainly spend a lot of time and energy tring to convert people. Isn't that exactly the opposite of anarchy?

I am not truly an anarchist and no one truly is.

Was being against slavery back in the 1800's anarchism? You are a slave. There is no being half pregnant.

You're tax money supported the intentional genocide of Iraqi children, during the "sanctions" during the 90's. I will post the article on this thread that shows that the U.S. committed genocide against the Iraqi people. Intentionally killing the elderly and children. Did you have a say in that? So if 51% of people agree with supporting "reps" that commit atrocities, around the world. YOU ARE GUILTY. EAT THAT! You support the system because of the "gun in the room" where if you say I object and resist my kidnapping and confinement, I will end up SHOT. So will you, just don't pay your taxes, that helped commit genocide around the world for the pass 50 years(millions of dead bodies, because of you and the support of a myth). YOU are the reason Palestianian children are living in an open air prison, suffering and dying. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE! Get that through your "wall" of brainwashing. You pay taxes, vote and support the "system" hoping to "slow it down". LOL. Get rationale. Realize the world you are living in, and also realize when you support the "system", you support your own enslavement.

Why should YOU be able to "lobby" an "enforcer" to kidnap me and confine me, because you are against what I do with my body and my life. It is all completely absurd, just like all statism. Individual responsibly for your own life is the GOAL. Believe it or don't.

I could care less what anarchists or anarchy states to do. I am no "droid". Anarchists don't like me either from my experiences. Don't judge me. I will support RP and his message and "path" to the end.

I donated $80 all together today, to Dennis, BJ Lawson, YAL, and DownsizeDC.org. Don't be a collectivist or believe in that brainwashing.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE

I'm a minarchist,

so supporting that is easy for me to do.

I don't think "anarchy", in the way people here usually describe it, can occur and sustain for any length of time, if at all.
So, as I stated in my reply to you a week or so ago, I think the "trick" is to get as close to it as you can, with some stability structure that will take a long time to corrupt.
That is my position at the present time. And I've thought about it for quite a while.

If/when the current system collapses, I would strive to re-create the founders intent of the Constitution. Not because it is perfect, but because it is the best option that enough people have had exposure to, and can accept, and is better than any of the alternatives that have ever been presented to date.
It's a minarchy with just enough stability to hold together, with the least intrusiveness. Corruption is going to eventually erode anything you pick, and some will erode alot faster than others.

Hey bigT, from one of your "founding fathers"

"The tree of Liberty needs to be watered from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Lamb of God - As the Palaces Burn
http://youtu.be/eWVrdFrpXHE