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The troops are coming home... to joblessness!!!!

The number: Initial jobless claims have surged to 500K. This is worse than expected, and establishes a clear negative trend. Several weeks ago, this number had seemed to stall out around 450K, but now that's just a memory, as the direction is definitely upward.

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And now, furough Fridays are back in CA. Welcome home troops!

California's Furlough Friday are back
On Friday August 20, 2010, 12:37 pm EDT

Closed signs went up at California agencies Friday as a second slew of mandatory furloughs went into effect for government employees in an effort to resolve California's $19 billion budget deficit.

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, according to the governor's office, ordered state workers to take three unpaid days off per month until a new budget is in place and the Department of Finance certifies that California has enough cash to meet its financial obligations through the end of the fiscal year.

The furloughs were to have started Aug. 1 but were temporarily blocked by a lower court decision. On Wednesday, the state supreme court allowed the furloughs to resume.

The Professional Engineers in California Government union, which had previously sued on the grounds that the governor did not have the authority to furlough employees, said it will urge the supreme court to rule that the furloughs are illegal. Employees are entitled to full paychecks, the union said in a statement.

The furloughs affect about 150,000 state employees and will save $150 million a month, the governor's office said.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Californias-Furlough-Friday-cn...

Soldiers and War

You can support the troops but you cannot support what they are doing. They are doing what they are told, carrying out an imperialist war and occupation. I don't know how you can support theem withou supporting their mission. There is no way the invasion of Iraq can be justified under Christian Just War Doctrine. Most Christian scholars have addressed themselves to this question.

Did you ever wonder why the only Christians who supported the invasion and occupation of Iraq were American Evangelicals.What gave this special insight, denied to all other Christians in the world, of the divinely inspired mission for this war. The only denominations who approved were the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assembly of God.How did God transmit the Word to them when he denied it to all of the other Christians throughout the world. If what you are doing amounts to a criminal enterprize,it matters little who ordered you to do it. I thought Nurmeberg settled that.

No one should ever forget how shabally Beck treated Dr. Paul during the Presidential campaign or the conscienceless shillin he did for his fellow Mormon, Romney. As for Murdock, he was relentless in having Hannity O'Reilly constantly savage Dr. Paul so th

The troops are leaving Iraq...

And the oil has left the gulf.

Everything's OK again.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Worse than expected? For who?

Worse than expected? For who? The same idiot "economists" who failed to see the financial collapse coming?

planet is enslaved

http://www.libertypoet.com/freedomwatch/ordinaryman/

is it not?

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So the military's going to kick them all out?

Coming home doesn't equal getting out. I doubt they'll be home for long if they're even coming home anyway.

Of course they are coming

Of course they are coming home to joblessness, the "job" of fighting on two fronts has drained the "blood and treasure" (how I hate that phrase) from our country.

Patriotism by Ron Paul

It is conveniently ignored that the only authentic way to best support the troops is to keep them out of dangerous undeclared no-win wars that are politically inspired. Sending troops off to war for reasons that are not truly related to national security and, for that matter, may even damage our security, is hardly a way to patriotically support the troops.
Who are the true patriots, those who conform or those who protest against wars without purpose? How can it be said that blind support for a war, no matter how misdirected the policy, is the duty of a patriot?

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul388.html

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Right. You'll find nothing

Right. You'll find nothing here randomly condemning specific individuals as murderers and baby killers.

Let's also consider that "not supporting the troops" and "condemning all the troops as vile evil baby killers" are NOT the same thing.

You're thinking of the Vietnam War

The situation is not the same now.

I don't follow

So it was okay to characterize the troops as vile evil baby killers back then, but it isn't okay now? Or vice versa?

Please elaborate...

Do I understand you correctly?

Are you here to (A) pick fights, (B) lie about what people have said, (C) all of the above?

Where did I lie about what

Where did I lie about what people said? Did Desert Rat not unilaterally call US troops a bunch of murderers and baby killers? Did a few people not follow up stating that they agreed with him?

I am asking an honest question about what you see as different about vietnam vs current war(s), in regard to the troops being murderer baby killers.

Who is doing that?

"condemning all the troops as vile evil baby killers"

Not I.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Desert Rat explicitly, then

Desert Rat explicitly, then IR8 implicitly (by stating full agreement with Desert Rat).

That's not true!

You are putting extra words in their mouths.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Desert Rat: "Do these

Desert Rat: "Do these volunteer murderers deserve a job more than anyone else? Are these baby killers somehow entitled to great rewards after destroying the lives and country of innocent men, women and children?"... goes on to say that said murderers/baby killers have no soul.

IR8: "my feelings are very similar to yours [Desert Rat]"

Though he didn't explicitly say it, I doubt Desert Rat would stop short of calling these "baby killers" and "murderers" evil.

These soldiers aren't the problem. Most of them think they're doing the right thing, and have been deceived for years/decades like many of us were before we 'woke up'.

I'll stand alongside you to curse out the republicrat machine all day long, but I will not stand alongside you to curse out our troops as murderous baby killers.

Thank you

for proving my point on BOTH counts.

"And I'll say again, all of you who would go show up at airports when military men/women return, to call them baby killers, are just vile."

And NOBODY said that, except YOU. I'm sorry if that happened to you (if it did). It happened to my husband, as well, when he returned from Vietnam, and I would NEVER condone that type of behavior under any circumstances. But the difference here is that one set of soldiers was drafted and the other set volunteered.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

To all those who hate people in our military

I posted this below, but it will get buried since it was a reply...

I understand many of the points made about the circumstances of our occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan.

HOWEVER...

All of you who would go show up at airports when military men/women return, to call them baby killers, are just vile.

Ron Paul supports our troops, even though he disagrees with what our government is doing. I line up with Ron Paul on this.

You also need to realize that the rules of engagement usually are such that somebody in your company needs to actually be HIT in order to be able to return fire, in the interest of protecting innocents (no, seeing the enemies aiming at you, or sometimes even shooting at you is not good enough).

Our service men and women are NOT cold blooded sick bastard murderers as you've built up in your little heads. There may be a few bad apples, sure, but to unilaterally make blanket statements calling them murderers and baby killers is disingenuous.

I personally know Iraq veterans, and they are good people. You people (yes, I said "you people", dripping with as much condescension as possible) who think you can just unilaterally deem all military members awful evil people: It is you who are the awful people.

Then please explain to me why

Then please explain to me why those nice people are using drones to kill innocent people. Nice people my a$$.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

i need an explanation i think

First of all ill address your one point. i would never show up to a homecoming of a militant to heckle and torment them. Im not ignorant enough to place blanket biases on those that may be undeserving of them.

However, id like for someone to explain to me how one can "support the troops" without supporting their officers' higher agenda/strategy. Its a pretty simple concept, i cant support the extension of the arm and shake it knowing that the body it is attached to is vile in itself. Its not a personal matter, i dont hate the individuals. But what part of signing up for a service whose greater purpose you dont understand is in any way noble or commendable (or even logical)?

I had a conversation with a guy in a bar that was going back for his third tour sometime soon now that i think of it. He had stories to tell about one of his tours but the other he refused to talk about. He mentioned that he didnt bring it up to brag (quite quickly) i suppose because most people are impressed by it, but i just felt sorry for him.

ps i know a handful of marines as well who signed up because they 'wanna shoot shit'.

My main issue is not the idea

My main issue is not the idea of "not supporting the troops". My main issue is the idea of unilaterally condemning all military members (besides Adam Kokesh) as vile baby killing murderous evil dirt bags.

That is not the same thing.

I 'support the troops' in so far as I don't want them to die. Ron Paul I believe would agree with that. I agree with RP that bringing them home is the best idea.

And, the marines mentioned who joined because they wanna shoot stuff are douche bags. But not necessarily evil people.

More from the good doctor:

Arguments against a particular policy that endorses a war, once it is started, are always said to be endangering the troops in the field. This, they blatantly claim, is unpatriotic, and all dissent must stop. Yet, it is dissent from government policies that defines the true patriot and champion of liberty.
Once a war of any sort is declared, the message is sent out not to object or you will be declared unpatriotic. Yet, we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences. Condemnation or ostracism [ie BANNING FROM PATRIOTIC WEBSITES] or even imprisonment may result.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

There will be PLENTY of jobs for them

running FEMA camps. Keep complaining, you can stimulate their economy... lol!

Truth exists, and it deserves to be cherished.

My TV tells me a war is

My TV tells me a war is a-brewing.

13 No servant can serve two masters; for either he shall hate the one, and love the other, or else he shall lean to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and riches. - Luke 16

At least they're

getting a paycheck now! I think they better start saving their money. And don't forget that Obama just signed a bill to increase their education benefits. Hopefully that will help.

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Just in time to help supress the rioting

when the dollar collapses.

New Hampshire and Ecuador.

So What?

We do not have a draft (yet). This is a profession that these people knowingly and willingly accepted. Do these volunteer murderers deserve a job more than anyone else? Are these baby killers somehow entitled to great rewards after destroying the lives and country of innocent men, women and children? I think not. They can either stay in the military and hone their carnage skills, or get out and get a job as a grandma tasering cop. These same troops who may be coming home will be the same troops that will kill Americans and cart them off to FEMA camps. When one serves the State for 2-4 tours in the middle-east killing people they do not know (because they were ordered to ) destroys their soul. They lose their humanity and empathy for all living things.

Make no mistake, I do NOT support the troops unless they willfully refuse to fight. None of the troops serve to protect the rights and freedoms of Americans. They only serve the Industrialized Military Complex and the monied interests.

The last time I posted a comment similar to this (due to some poster flag waving/ support the troops BS) I had my life threatened by some meathead claiming to be a combat soldier in Iraq. This is a person that claimed to be almost saintly due to all the wonderful things he did while killing folks. He was so saintly that the first thing he was going to do when he got home was to find and kill me for simply expressing a personal view.

There will always be government jobs available for people who blindly follow orders that any normal human being would never consider following. Have sympathy for all American families who have suffered greatly due to the criminals, traitors and destroyers, occupying every position of power and responsibility on this planet. The TROOPS take and follow the orders of these vermin.

This is what the TROOPS do on a typical day: http://goo.gl/D2La

I'll probably get banned for making these comments (speaking the truth). I don't care. And, if any one wants to kill me for my anti-troops message… Good luck.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

That's a pretty collectivist and misguided rant

Unless you've stopped paying taxes and stopped supporting the system yourself, you know, put your money and life where your mouth is, you too are part of the problem you rail against. I'd respect this if you were writing from jail, but you're probably enjoying the lifestyle, freedom and spoils that an imperial system brings you.

Don't get me wrong, I feel very similar in a lot of ways as you do about our foreign policy, but your approach to solving the problem, (if in fact you're trying to) is needlessly antagonistic and not very effective. Sure, dramatic rants and vehemently challenging other peoples commonly held beliefs can stir them up and sometimes get them thinking, but most of the time it just pisses people off and closes their mind to whatever your trying to get across. I don't know maybe your fine with that, but its not going to get us very far.

Besides, the troops are not the enemy. The system and policies that control them is where the focus should be and something more people can get behind changing, more so than getting them behind shaming the troops and calling them baby killers. That's moronic and plain nasty.

I prefer Dr. Paul's approach katherine posted above:

It is conveniently ignored that the only authentic way to best support the troops is to keep them out of dangerous undeclared no-win wars that are politically inspired. Sending troops off to war for reasons that are not truly related to national security and, for that matter, may even damage our security, is hardly a way to patriotically support the troops.
Who are the true patriots, those who conform or those who protest against wars without purpose? How can it be said that blind support for a war, no matter how misdirected the policy, is the duty of a patriot?

Something to think about.

The original post

…was that the TROOPS are coming home to joblessness. SO WHAT! Join the club. The troops are NOT special because they know how to blindly follow orders without question. What? The troops get to go to the head of the job line when they get home? As I said, they WILL qualify for all the Homeland Security jobs, rounding up your loved ones and shipping them to FEMA camps. And make no mistake, they will kill any American if given the orders to do so (according to a survey of the troops). Anyone who is able to point a 50mm gunship cannon at unarmed civilians and "light them up" and think it's funny (because they are rag-heads or whatever the "evil name of the day" is) no longer has a soul. The troops in the gunship were NOT being fired upon or threatened. NONE had anything to do with 9-11, NONE of these poor murdered souls was a threat the the United Staes in any way, shape or form. They were murdered for target practice. The United States, with the most modern & deadly military the world has ever known, only fights those without armies, navies, air force or tanks. They are all basically cave men. And guess what, the United States still gets their butts kicked up one side and down they other. The United States military is an organization of cowards. Killing innocents with drones from behind a computer screen 3000 miles away. Bombing from ten miles high, launching rockets from hundreds of miles away. Expending billions of dollars in explosives to blow up mud huts, goats and wedding parties. Don't it just give you goosebumps?

And BTW: No I do NOT support the system by paying federal taxes. They got their last dime from me eighteen years ago (and they have made me suffer greatly). But, just because people are robbed at the point of a gun by the IRS does NOT mean that they necessarily support the troops or anything they do. The blood is on their hands not mine.

Enjoying the lifestyle and freedom that an Imperial system gives me? There are none so hopelessly enslaved as those who believe they are free. NOBODY is free to do ANYTHING without being taxed, licensed and regulated. No? Name something, anything, I have all day.

Like politics, serving in the military most always takes away ones compassion and empathy for other human beings. A rabid Pit Bull that mauls and kills a child is always put down. There is never any consideration that the poor animal was trained by their master to attack humans. The pit bull truly thought it was doing the right thing. So think the troops. The only difference is that the human animal should know better.

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau