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Is the "Mosque Controversy" an opportunity for a new 9/11 investigation?

Not likely. But it may be an opportunity to inject some sanity.

We find ourselves again facing more divisiveness, and manipulation regarding the events of 9/11. Several politicians, pundits, bloggers, and even candidates have weighed in on this issue, and while I agree that foreign policy is the main cause of anti American sentiment, I have to disagree about the statement that Al Qaeda was responsible.

Why would I disagree with a belief that seems to be widely accepted? Because the investigation that led to this belief, was flawed from the very beginning.

I will cut and paste another response I made to a candidate, who seemed to be acting on the same assumptions.
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It is unfortunate that you got caught up in this obvious psy-op/distraction/polarization exercise.

It is unfortunate because the entire premise is flawed.

Respectfully, you don't know any better than I do that 19 hijackers boarded those planes and flew them into buildings.

What do we have to go on, but grainy security camera video, that shows some guys going through a checkpoint at an airport. A miraculous fireproof passport that happened to land on top of the rubble, when nothing but 1/4 inch bone fragments were found on the rooftops of other buildings.

1 hour into 9/11, we did not even know what type of planes went into the WTC's, but the consensus was immediately that UBL was responsible.

This information was fed to us by media outlets that are owned and supported by companies that also make the bullets, equipment, and bombs that were dropped on the middle east as a result of the official story of 9/11.

This official story was supposedly investigated by a commission, which the majority of commissioners said later on record, that the whole thing was basically a sham.
http://www.911summary.com/

The senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission – John Farmer – says that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11 , echoing the assertions of fellow 9/11 Commission members who concluded that the Pentagon were engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack.
http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/04/14/911-commissions-senior...

The FBI doesn't even charge UBL formally with the crime of 9/11 on their top 10 most wanted website.

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.”
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13664.htm

I could add another couple of hours of information that blows massive holes in the "official story".

Do you REALLY think that 19 guys that could supposedly barely fly a Cessna, could pull off amazing aerobatic maneuvers, that tricked a TRILLION dollar, multi layer defense system, made up of radar, surface to air missiles, fighter jets, and satellites that could basically detect an elephant fart from across the globe?

I agree with your stance on a humble foreign policy, and that US presence "over there" has inflamed tensions, and possible attacks OVER THERE.

But to accept the 9/11 "official story" which has been debunked in numerous ways, and even called a fraud by the SAME men who were charged with investigating the event, is frankly ludicrous.

I know that you are in the middle of a campaign, and working hard to get votes, volunteers, and money. I hope that at some point you will do some research on your own, and realize that the events of 9/11 did not happen as they were explained.
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Once again, 9/11 is at the center of the loss of liberties, wars, death, destruction, as well as being a wedge issue dividing the American public, and the world in general.

We will never heal as a nation until the truth comes out about 9/11, and the ones responsible, are held accountable.

As we hear the war drums for Iran get louder and louder, we must seek and speak the truth, more than ever.

That truth, is that a REAL investigation was never done, so all of the posturing based on the events of 9/11 is sitting on a poor foundation.

Do not let those that wish to silence you through shame or manipulation, win.

No matter how many times the pledge of allegiance has been changed, it still ends with "with liberty and justice for all".

We cannot have justice without truth. We cannot have truth without liberty. Without liberty, we cannot have a life worth living.

As Patrick Henry once said,
"Give me LIBERTY, or give me DEATH".




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Ask them to openly prove how nineteen muslims did 9-11.

Ask them to openly prove how nineteen muslims did 9-11, how they financed all of it, and how nine eleven was a de-facto Muslim conspiracy.

Put them on the record and ask them to prove it. The 9-11 commission report was a whitewash according to the founders of the commission Thomas Kean.

Prove to everyone it wasn't. They will end up going in circles...as the only proof we have is we don't "know" what happened on 9-11.

How is it possible that Jew wasn't involved?

Is that even possible?

I see you baiting people again, Ryan....

And I don't play those games anymore with anyone. So you'll be terribly disappointed again.

The point is we don't have any evidence anywhere that nineteen Muslims really carried out, financed or orchestrated 9-11. We also have no evidence that a group of jews or xians carried out and financed the attacks.

The only actual claim any of us have, is nine-eleven remains an unsolved criminal case. All the things which we know prove nine-eleven has never been investigated.

The only truth we do know now, is 9-11 is such a murky issue that the only way to proceed is open up a whole new investigation. On top of this, since most evidence was destroyed we could not "succeed" without a US Grand Jury looking into it.

But I asked you on another thread if it was O.K. ...

when Dr. Paul became President if he were to appoint a Jew as Treasurey Secretary, and you said absolutely not.

Do you wish for me to post the quotes?

By the way ...

Did you realize that all American Jews are dual citizens?

Do you realize...

"Did you realize that all American Jews are dual citizens?"

Do you realize how false that statement makes you sound?

You are the one who keeps referring to "Jews" as a whole collectivist group, not I.

Also you like to put words in people's mouth. I said he should never hire an Israeli nationalist, NOT a thing regarding Jews. Most of them would be appalled at the way you claim they all support Israel. Many do not especially in this part of town, where friends have no plans of even visiting for personal reasons.
http://desertpeace.wordpress.com

Well ...

I will comment no further other than to say the thread is right here ...

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/142499#comment-1517123

carry on.

Bookmarked and bumped

a lot of good info here, thanks.

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quote ...

"Respectfully, you don't know any better than I do that 19 hijackers boarded those planes and flew them into buildings."

Thank you for that.

God Bless.

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"PROVE IT"

My answer to your question, a very good one, is yes. Just ask them to prove their assumption that "Radical Islamicism" was responsible for the planning, financing, and implementation of 911. Put the burden on them (those who argue either side, but esp those who are offended by the mosque). Make them show proof of the official version.
They are living with an indoctrinated paradigm, and are not prepared to accept a challenge to the underlying assumption about 911. Just ask them for proof of the official version in order to get them to think. Mass assumptions are hard to bust, and having the afflicted see for themselves is the best way...just ask them to prove the official version whenever the mosque topic comes up, and see what happens.

Undo what Wilson did

EXACTLY.....

You see where I am going with this. You get it.

I realize that this "mosque event" will most likely NOT bring about a new investigation. I don't think anything short of citizens & military actually going out and detaining the REAL suspects of 9/11 involvement, would get an impartial investigation.

This is an opportunity to inject some sanity into the distraction...I mean....debate.

And I bet none of them will succeed with 9-11.

You can't prove anything about 9-11, except that it happened & resulted in the Patriot Act.

I am positive everyone who takes up this challenge will finally start to wake up.

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That's it!

Prove it!
It attacks the assumption. Get on the offensive by turning it upside down, instead of remaining on the defensive by having to prove an alternative to official 911.

Undo what Wilson did

jefferson

Can i get some information?

you said the following:

"This official story was supposedly investigated by a commission, which the majority of commissioners said later on record, that the whole thing was basically a sham."

where can I find the info. for which commissioner said what and when?

THIS, IMO, is a key piece of info. for people arguing with us.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

"Can i get some information?"

Sure..

Here is one link, that will direct you to documents and videos regarding what you seek.

Here are some of the basic statements.

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission (Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton) said that the CIA (and likely the White House) "obstructed our investigation".

The co-chairs of the 9/11 Commission also said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements, yet didn't bother to tell the American people (free subscription required).

Indeed, the co-chairs of the Commission now admit that the Commission largely operated based upon political considerations.

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, that the 9/11 debate should continue, and that the 9/11 Commission report was only "the first draft" of history.

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ."

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said "We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting"

Former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: "It is a national scandal"; "This investigation is now compromised"; and "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up".

9/11 Commissioner John Lehman said that “We purposely put together a staff that had – in a way - conflicts of interest".

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
http://www.911summary.com/

not going to happen

at least not for a very, very long time, if ever. I have chosen not to give much time and effort to this whole mosque issue as I see it for what it is. However, look at the intense emotions and anger that it is creating. Now imagine all that anger and hatred being directed at the real people who were behind 9/11. Don't think for a minute they are going to allow all that anger to be turned on them. They have to keep "the big bad muslims did it" fever going so the anger is not directed at them. Plus support for the wars is waning, and people have not displayed enough fear yet.

chinkadaro

9/11 investigation?

LOL. Ron Paul already commented on that and said it is completely pointless. Look it up and think about it.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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http://www.youtube.com/watchv=wfj2OWBocAc&feature=related

Thanks Horatius...

You're right. We should just forget about it, and continue to be led around by the nose.
Ron Paul Wants A New 9/11 Investigation 03/25/08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OumAnh8oWbU

This is why the WH wants to keep Lockerbie questions

at a minimum. That call to investigate BP's actions in getting Megrahi released will certainly go the direction of US involvement with these plane crashes that lead to policy manipulation. The SCCRC took questionable events on 9-11 in consideration before reopening the Pan Am 103 case.

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Thanks for this.

I was somewhat disappointed to see only 10,000+ names on the ae9/11truth website.

There should be millions.

I will donate to this "Building What?" ad campaign. New Yorkers were are the ones who really need to be slapped with the truth, so they can get fired up and go after the guilty parties, instead of bickering about a mosque.

well said Jefferson

Thanks for donating.
It is a great cause...these people that wake up they will do research and most will end up in Liberty movement voting for good people.

I remember Ralph Nader calling for a new independent investigation by New York citizens...

True the number of truly active people in the 9/11 Truth movement should be much larger.
I do what I can most Saturdays I work downtown with local truthers giving away literature on the subject.
Also I post comments on youtube leading people to my website's 9/11 Truth section:
http://www.libertypoet.com/911mix/
that section is done with the help of my dear friend who is a member of pilotsfor911truth.

LL on Twitter: http://twitter.com/LibertyPoet
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It's hard to calculate the

It's hard to calculate the effect it would have - emotions are already running very high. People in that condition are not likely to think rationally or objectively.
On the other hand, it may rally the troops already informed on the issue.
I predict the initial counter attack will be to throw up a smoke screen of disinfo and the "no planes" crowed or more ludicrous theories in an attempt to squash it post-haste.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

bump--

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it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Always time for Truth!

When our entire society is being re-wired using for justification the False-Flag events of 9/11 how could it not be relevant or timely to continue to educate those around us still with their heads in the sand?

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"In the beginning of a change, the Patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a Patriot."

Mark Twain

I love your thinking Jefferson

but I don't think this is a good time at ALL. People who are having their adrenaline and testosterone "tweeked" by experts, and are in their "bubba" mode are totally committed to their orgasmic HATE emotions. They are certainly NOT open to new ideas that may prove that they have been made fools of or manipulated.

The better time to approach people is when they are beaten. When they are starting to "get it" that they have been royally screwed by the government. When they are in agreement that the govt lies about everything that THEY know about (Fannie and Freddie being fiscally sound, Social Security being solvent, etc). Once they are in a cynical mode toward government.... THEN just ONE MORE LIE might break through their consciousness.... because they can feel that THEY are the ones on the side of cynicism and truth.

And THAT is why this whole Mosque issue has been fired up. The people WERE growing in their cynicism, and they WERE opening their minds to all the OTHER ways the government has screwed them. AND, the almost 70% against the wars proved that the evil ones WERE losing the fight. They needed to get those "war juices" flowing again..... and voila! They have pushed those buttons and the masses have responded as they ALWAYS do!

Sadly, while their fists are raised against the "enemy" that they are ready to go out and stomp.... their brains are not the part of their bodies that is functioning. AND they are very defensive and "on guard".

Just my opinion.

Thomas Jefferson: “Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

Viva La Revolucion!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmaTNf4YhEs

for accuracy

lets get it right guys.

for folks in "bubba mode", they arent Muslims, they're Moslems. Not sure what a Moslem is, but thats what they call them. Kind of like Nuculer.

Jackson County Georgia

War is an instrument entirely inefficient toward redressing wrong; and multiplies, instead of indemnifying losses.
Thomas Jefferson

In arabic

it is indeed mUslim. Not moslem. It is a long U sound.

Since we cannot know which lie

might break through their consciousness, where is start and where is stop?
Attempting to decide for others is an unwinnable game.

"If the seeker believes he is willing to accept the truth no matter what, yet is still governed by his attachments then he has no impetus to take the final step to truth."

"Attempting to decide for others is an unwinnable game."

True...

I think it is a perfect time to bring people into reality, because there is focus on the core issue. 9/11.

When people are in "bubba mode", why not ask them why they are in "bubba mode". When they tell you why, ask them where did they get that information.

When they tell you where, you drop the sandbag on their head of the fraudulent investigation.

BAM!!!