The Ron Paul Movement vs. The Tea Party (Revisited)
Submitted by Paul Revere on Sun, 08/29/2010 - 10:33I have stated numerous times that the Ron Paul movement has been duped by what 99% of Americans think is the Tea Party.
The Tea Party movement is a joke. This rally put on by Glen Beck and Sarah Palin pretty much seals the deal for me. Now, when people hear Tea Party, they will also think Glen Beck. Sarah Palin. They link it with crazy evangelical religion. Done deal.
The Ron Paul movement found itself fighting from within the rigid framework and status quo of the Republican Party in a bid for the presidency. We were laughed at, ridiculed, and pushed aside.
Now, the Ron Paul movement finds itself again fighting from within. This time from inside the same rigid framework and status quo of the Republican Party that now calls itself the Tea Party movement. A movement co-opted by people like Glen Beck and Sarah Palin and Sean Hannity and Dick Armey. Now we see posts here encouraging Ron Paul people to educate from within the Tea Party. While there may be some success just as there was last time around, we are fighting against those same forces that we were up against just 2-3 years ago.
The only difference is that now, the establishment Republicans have wrapped themselves in this Tea Party costume, co-opting the language that once belonged to OUR movement. They saw the impact that OUR movement had. They saw how successful OUR movement was. So they 'borrowed' every phrase, every slogan, every technique and made it theirs. And now, members of OUR movement are calling for us to do the same thing we were asked to do before. We are asked to fight from within the belly of the beast.
It is time to extricate OUR movement from this beast. We have been used, abused, and pushed aside. And now the same thing will happen again. Only this time, the people who used and abused us before now get to pretend that the Tea Party movement is their own. And I believe they will kick us aside like they did before.
I am asking that we separate ourselves from the right wing herd who now finds themselves under the spell of this thing called the Tea Party. We are still being pushed to the margins. We are still being laughed at. This Tea Party movement is not anti-war. They are anti-Obama. In fact, they are anti-Ron Paul. They certainly do not advocate the things that inspird me to join the Ron Paul revolution.
When I see or hear news about the Tea Party, anymore, I cringe. I cringe because I am embarrassed to be even remotely associated with nim-wits like Sarah Palin or Glen Beck. I despise Sean Hannity. I loathe Rush Limbaugh. I always thought Dick Armey was a sell out. But now we are lumped in with them AGAIN, asked to educate them AGAIN, and asked to join THEIR 'fight'. 99% of the country associates the Tea Party with these people. Just as 99% of people associate the Republican Party with these people. These are the SAME PEOPLE AS BEFORE!!!!
Time to cut bait.
I think it is time Ron Paul creates a new party with the platform that he ran on last time that attracted people from the left and the right. That platform brought about a joining of forces that included people like Ralph Nader. If the Ron Paul movement is not about left and right, then why the insistence that we need to work from within the broken two party system and educate. Ron did this last time around and was marginalized and belittled by forces in his OWN party, which in turn, made criticism of him even easier by people on the left.
It is time to stake our flag and bring in people who are attracted to the message of anti-war and sound fiscal policy rather than fight another un-winable battle against the SAME people who laughed us off the stage last time around.
Ron Paul should become the Ralph Nader of the right. The difference between him and Ralph is that Ralph most likely never attracted anyone from the right to his movement. Ron Paul attracted many Ralph Nader people, including Ralph Nader himself. Steal their votes and maybe they will 'be educated'.
Sorry for the rant.
seems like this would be an...
appropriate time to bump this up again...
with the boos tonight-- i almost want ron to hold a press conference tomorrow to say that he disassociates himself with any tea party or party that cheers the killing of other humans--- be it in war or the death penalty...
this shit is getting crazier by the day...
I felt your pain in 2008.
Back then I would have agreed with you. But now, with all the strides Dr. Paul has made within the Republican Party, is no time to abandon ship. We'll stay with the Party for the same reasons we did then - access to the process.
Let the Ralph Naders et al form the third party. Which I do think is a great idea, given the largest block of voters are now like-minded Independents. The Progressive Libertarians could pull from all sides, Democrats, Independents, and Libertarians for that matter.
Why would I support a third party you ask? For the same reason I mentioned above, access to the process. When all is said and done, I sincerely believe a third party will not be successful for all the reasons Dr. Paul has stated in the past.
The benefit for the Revolution will be two fold; 1)votes will be taken from both the Democrats and the Republicans via (in large part) the Independents, 2) once the PL's realize their candidate cannot compete, they will flock to the RP revolution. It will be the only choice left.
I hope someone is taking notes because I really want to be right on this one. We'll know come 2012, won't we?
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Ive seen quite a few
Ive seen quite a few statements from establishment sources saying things like the tea party/ron paul revolution has captured the republican party. We do have huge influence. we dont have the top posistions yet but if ron paul runs again i can see our influence growing by leaps and bounds.
Also the true tea partiers will then start to identify with the ron paul revolution rather than palin if ron paul announces he is going to run. Many will stop identifying themselves with the tea party. It was our time in 2007-2008 then it was the tea partys' time. Our time is coming again.
"We must re-take the Republican Party"-Ron Paul. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlqXq8YxQFQ
Who?
Which neocons have praised Ron Paul? As far as I'm concerned, Ron is the only Republican in the House who isn't a neocon. Republicans steal bits and pieces from Ron Paul, but they never endorse him. In fact, they still ridicule him. I agree with the OP: lovers of liberty and freedom should pull away from the Republican Party, and third Party should be started. By doing so, many more leftists and intelligent people would join our ranks.
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You are Absolutely Right
I couldn't agree with you more. It's terrible that individuals like Sarah Palin and groups like Americans for Prosperity have co-opted the tea party for the Republicans. Ron Paul's beautiful message has been twisted and perverted into meaningless rhetoric uttered by Republicans, who neither understand nor believe in it. He was always very smart to distance himself from the tea party. While others called him the "Godfather" or the "spiritual father" of the tea party, he never claimed that title. You articulated exactly why I never called myself a tea partier. It's also why the tea party CAN'T attract young people the way that Dr. Paul does--because the message and the messengers reek of status-quo Republicanism. Thanks for taking the time to post what I think a lot of us have been thinking.
It isn't about winning one election...
It's about changing people's philosophy of government. Ron Paul himself says this quite frequently.
And we're not that far from the goal...believe it or not..
The evidence of the disaster of government is all around us... and we do have allot of motivated people... we just need to communicate the message properly... so they actually hear it.
We also have another thing working in our favor... we are determined.
This is why I feel NVC (non-violent communication) is so important. It is the method that unlocks people's ability to hear. It allows the message to get through! The method of communication we have been taught is what keeps us separated... and that's why we have to change it. But the good news is... it won't just get someone elected but it might actually solve many more problems.
The media just has the hammer of repetition. And with the archaic method we use...they have us out gunned. But... with the NVC method... they 10 against 1 and we come back with 11!
I've found it does take some time to digest... but it's worth it! We should be teaching it to all our groups... as much as we argue... we could use it. It would save tons of time too!
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if you'll change the word "duped"...
in your first sentence to "identified" i will be more comfortable engaging in your dialogue
its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
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My feeling is to stick
My feeling is to stick with the republican party and not to distance too much from the tea party. Of course the tea party is highjacked--I also wrote a surprised post on the DP a year ago about this. But there will come a moment during the debates, the polls and so forth when most likely almost everyone in the tea party will have to stand behind one person, is it not!?
It is not even sure if Palin will run, and when she runs she has to debate Ron Paul! And this time Ron Paul will probably be taken MUCH more seriously then the previous time--looking at his current position as chairman overseeing the fed and his pretty huge media attention, and his son being a senator. So.. Ron Paul with more airtime and being a much smarter person and better debater then Palin, against Palin--thus all odds that he must be winning these debates.
I suppose the tea party would not likely support any other republican--even though Beck could try to promote someone else (which will totally blow his cover--again of course, like with Medina). Why would the tea party not be supportive of another republican? Well, you think the establishment comes up with a republican who is against the war? Against the fed? Against big government? They might come up with one who lies that he is also against all this, but then they can't debate Ron Paul because they would have to agree with Ron Paul on too many issues, and that wouldn't work so well for them also!
So.. Stick with the republican party, outdebate Palin, and any other republican, get the support of the whole tea party and many other republicans and voters. And WIN and become the president of the United States of America! This time it can really happen!
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Ok, I was a RINO/Neocon republican and didn't know it. I listened to Ron Paul and then I went back and listened again to Ron Paul and I GOT IT! Ok, I became a Ron Paul Activist and
then a Precinct Chair in Dallas County Texas. I was not real active after the state convention because I was so disgusted with the RINO/Neocon Republicans that were ignoring us at the Texas Republican State Convention. I mean it was bad even at our county levels. I did help on the local level some but was not real active. Then a few weeks ago I attended one of the county meetings of the Republican Party and I was astonished to find that most all the RINO's were run off. There had been a huge shift and yes there was a strong Tea Party presence that wasn't there before. It was a tremendous change from 2 years earlier. I believe that was because of us. The Ron Paul revolutionaries! I say we stay put in the Republican/ Tea Party as our influence is great. Many of the Republicans have awakened to fiscal responsibility and have realized that the RINO's have been running their party.They have been renewed to the Constitution!!! Although I will say that they are still holding to the Neocon idea but not near as strong as before. Although, I will say many are considering that we really can't afford the wars. I use that angle and say we have a war right here right now with the Left (Marxist) trying to take us over from within. I tell them we are broke and can't police the world and be prosperous at the same time. I don't talk about that they are being manipulated by the war mongering Military Industrial Complex. We have to give the Tea Party people a different spin on why we must end the war. ((We Can Not Afford It Anymore!!!)), is the best spin because they know America is broke. They heard that first from Ron Paul during the 2008 debates. They heard Ron say we were broke and then it all started happening. So now they know we cannot sustain wars much longer or we will go bust.I wish Ron Paul would change his hard line against the war to more of a we can't afford the war direction. We know RP is against the wars, we know WE AGREE with HIM, but I think a slight shift in his campaign strategy would help the Tea Party people come on board without thinking that they just quit the war. Nobody wants to be a quitter and most don't understand what the heck you mean about some Industrial Military Complex thingy. From their point of view quitting because you have no money is different than quitting because you have no desire to protect yourself. I'm talking first hand as a former Neocon/RINO when I speak. I don't expect Ron will change his stance on the war and I definitely understand why he probably won't but I hope he would consider it. I think a vast amount of the Tea Party would join him and us if he would only reword it but not change his real view. Drive home that America (WE THE People) are broke and can't afford the wars anymore. But also push that we keep our defense Strong here at home. He has to be ready for them to say he is an isolationist. That would be the one thing that could still cause a problem and derail him and us.
Ok I know some of you will probably want to give me thirty lashes for what I said but please tell me what you think. Is this a good angle to you?
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I can't speak for the rest of the country, but C4L members have slowly been taking over the Orange County Florida Republican Executive Committee. The Chairman and longtime members were furious, fought tooth and nail to keep us out, and even used tricks to disqualify members and their votes. They can't stop us anymore though as the C4L members are the most active, educated, and vocal members. We ARE making great progress and it will have a drastic effect on the 2012 POTUS election.
You have to understand
that all these "issues" which afflict the neocons are emotional issues. They are not logical issues.
This is how the left has controlled masses for many years, and it is incredibly obvious that the left has infiltrated the Republican Party as "Neocons" and is using the exact same emotional tactic as they do on the other side of the aisle.
The people you talk about are "reacting" to emotional fodder that has been spooned into their mouths by propagandists. They aren't thinking. They are reacting.
There is an old adage in the safety fields, that "knowledge replaces fear". These people have no knowledge, and their fear has been stoked-up, so they respond with emotional outbursts and irrational behaviors.
The only way out of that is to begin to "think" and get out of the "react" pattern.
Your fine
The war is the splitter. Use the word security concerning our borders. They like that word security.
Antother thing that works for me. Is ask them if our freedoms are being taken from us. (I kind of set them up beforehand with examples so I know they will say yes, and then I hit em with the hammer.)
I say, " Well, its not the Koreans, vietnamese, Soviets, Pakastanis, Iranians, Afghans, Iragi's, or "terrorists" who is taking them. Who is it then?"
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Kind of off topic but I'm fired up this morning ...
There was a thread last week on using liberal keywords to influence. The OP made a statement which makes a great slogan. We may pay and have a banner made. I believe this will work.
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Sarah Palin is the Fifth
Sarah Palin is the Fifth Column Establishment Republican infiltrator. She has nothing in common with the Tea Party movement.
The Tea Parties came out of the Ron Paul campaign. It is up to Ron Paul supporters to police their ranks and kick out the Neocon Republicans, and the racists and wackos sent in by these people.
It Was Fox News
Fox News were the first ones to associate Sarah Palin with the tea party. Then that dimwit, who held the first "national tea party" event in Tennessee, invited her as the keynote speaker. I agree that she has nothing to do with the tea party. She ran with McCain for God's sake!
This is correct
People, we have to have courage. That is the key word - courage.
We are the leaders.
Our local tea party has split in two. They are weak and caved to the Republican party which caused the split.
We held our ground on principles and didn't budge.
The republican party in my town and county surely knows who I and a few others are. I am leading the revolt here.
I attend my town party meetings and ran for the chair. They sent me an email telling me to resign as a commmitteeman (I was only one for 2 months ...lol) and remove our website.
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Fight damnit, Fight!
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Clarification
I still am a committeman. I would never resign.
Now one of our guys put up a blog in his election district.
Now we are chippping in to pay for an article in our local town Pennysaver paper. It will be a goodie. At that same time we will be announcing another move we will be making.
We are starting a swarm. We aren't winning anything yet. But were on their minds and irritating them.
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Go to your towns party meetings
I have a good strategy. Bits of it our on the website under Monthly Principles. You should be able to figure out what I am doing.
For our county, we have a "secret governement" layer in the party. They are called the executive committee. There are over 100 of them. They vote and endorse for us yet WE DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHO THEY ARE!
Attack this shit!
You have a chance to go nose to nose with the criminals. You have access to them.
Read your county party rules. Find where there is no transparecny and attack.
Maybe I should hold a seminar on hwo about getting a revolt going against the party in the representatikve layer that is closest to the people.
This is where the average local can attack.
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I prefer
the Revolution party
Boston Port Act
..."The people of Virginia took the Boston Port Act as seriously as if it were directed against them. The day when the act was to go in effect, June 1, 1774, was set apart by the Virginians as a day of fasting and prayer. George Mason had his five oldest children to go to chuch in mourning. Washington went to church and fasted all day."
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Just recently,.....
Congressional Republicans were on the floor of the House reading various amendments of the Constitution for God's sake. Hippocracy at its finest. NOW they pretend to recognize that All Important Antiquated Document. Now, suddenly, it is the Supreme Law of our Land? Where have these politicians been the last 100 years or so? Give me a break!
i thought i would throw this back out there...
considering the recent post about nader and the new progressive libertarian alliance....
what alliance
what solid grassroot "progressivism" to fight corruption in a new attempt to assist libertarians have you noticed recently in the wake of this new "alliance"
besides some guy named nader making some blog post
and amidst the us "deflation"?
The Anti War alliance
It will be the most consolidated group within a year. I really think if the co opted Tea Party is to survive, they will also have to embrace stopping the wars.
i think they will come around to that
i don't think they'll just go back to their old lives now because there's just no running away from this debt problem when their own social security is at stake
the obvious next step is war budget cut.. there's simply "no better way".. for the lack of a creative way to put it.
as for progressives, i don't see them joining any serious movement in large masses until after 2012, if democrats lose. but then, there's also the risk of a neo-con ideological resurgence.
If you look at what's going on,
we're seeing a coordinated effort on the part of the left.
They make these press releases about some fictitiouss "alliance" which doesn't exist, and then stokes up the media attention to it, and sprinkles some operatives around some key websites like the DP, which we see going on right now on the Nader Progressive Libertarian oxymoron thread.
They got the thread title up, and now the operatives are in there working it.
Stop the 3rd Party Talk for now
The system's rigged--- don't you remember this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYALxUfEmfQ&feature=channel
Forward to about 7:30
Join C4L and take over the GOP
the GOP has already been taken over...
and not by the ron paul revolution...
this is a failed strategy...
you must have lived in a basement until recently
or failed to notice the slow yet definite turning of attitude on some of the issues
yes the most hard core neo-cons still haven't given up their positions
but no one is mocking rp's stance on cutting social security and foreign warfares anymore
if they would debate now, some would for the first time do it by saying "i respectfully disagree" as i have noticed more and more even on the most brain-washed msm websites, and the disagreements are getting nudged to the gently-modest side more and more by the months going by as the awareness of debts raise higher and higher.
in fact, the hate spewing side getting more and more vicious and unresponsive tends to be the liberal/progressives which i suspect you're a part of, given your monetary view and this supposed undue attention to nader. so while you despise the tea party perhaps out of personal bias, try getting your own progressive house in order for once, if they can even get past the old hate some had for nader splitting the vote among "the left" last time around as i have noticed recently.
The Neocons
are the "progressive wing" of the Republican Party.
Leftist infiltrators who wormed their way in via masquerade and deception, and took over.
So in reality, the progressives hold sway over this gov't regardless which side is in power. And that's why the agenda never changes, regardless of who is elected.
Oh sure, there are little squabbles about hot-button social isues, but the real core never changes.
The squabbles are part of the "stage play" to make the appearance of 2 parties
This nation is ruled by one party, and all the damage is being done by one party.
The progressives which control both major parties and a few of the minor ones.
right but there's also another thing
very few are actually informed left socialist/interventionists.. it's just the childish default position when one isn't yet informed
some people move to the right side after becoming sufficiently informed.. those are who we're after in the tea parties
yes some still stay the same without the propensity to change even after being enlightened, but those simply don't matter and should not stop our cause
cherishing solitude and just stay away from people totally because their childish behavior is repulsive at the beginning stages just as they are being taught is essentially what paul revere implies with his total anti tea party stance
some of us are here to make real changes.. then there are those that are here to feel good, like paul revere