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Record Number of Americans in Government Anti-Poverty Programs

By Richard Wolf, | USA TODAY

WASHINGTON — Government anti-poverty programs that have grown to meet the needs of recession victims now serve a record one in six Americans and are continuing to expand.
More than 50 million Americans are on Medicaid, the federal-state program aimed principally at the poor, a survey of state data by USA TODAY shows. That's up at least 17% since the recession began in December 2007.

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"Virtually every Medicaid director in the country would say that their current enrollment is the highest on record," says Vernon Smith of Health Management Associates, which surveys states for Kaiser Family Foundation.

The program has grown even before the new health care law adds about 16 million people, beginning in 2014. That has strained doctors. "Private physicians are already indicating that they're at their limit," says Dan Hawkins of the National Association of Community Health Centers.

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Summer of recovery, indeed.

Summer of recovery, indeed.

Time to repeal the welfare state

before everybody is so desperately poor they will clamor for whatever scraps the gov't throws out at them.

As they "pork and bribe" to purchase vast areas of land.

And if you are in the way. . . . well just ask . . .
the Davidians.

“He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
-Albert Einstein

"Life with pride and humility; not life as an industrialized two legged cow deranged in a sea of lies and rivers of fiat." - RfL

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

One of six is on the government dole

Don't two or three of that six work for the government at above average pensions and compensation?

Free includes debt-free!

I suppose this gives support to the saying,

"the only thing government produces is poverty".

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Most college students are

Most college students are applying for food stamps and getting them - even when they are supported by their parents. Unfortunately, a lot of my college friends, even grads, have jumped on this train and see no moral issues with their choice. I spoke once in distaste and they were completely surprised.

I know people that have under the table cash jobs who receive unemployment, food stamps and even charitable utility support.

It doesn't help that I'm watching 'Precious.'

Unless you like the FRN debt system, what's the problem?

I say take em for all they're worth. It's not as if taxes actually pay for any of that stuff.

The Choice Before Us

"This question of legal plunder must be settled once and for all, and there are only three ways to settle it:

1. The few plunder the many.
2. Everybody plunders everybody.
3. Nobody plunders anybody.

We must make our choice among limited plunder, universal plunder, and no plunder. The law can follow only one of these three.

Limited legal plunder: This system prevailed when the right to vote was restricted. One would turn back to this system to prevent the invasion of socialism.

Universal legal plunder: We have been threatened with this system since the franchise was made universal. The newly enfranchised majority has decided to formulate law on the same principle of legal plunder that was used by their predecessors when the vote was limited.

No legal plunder: This is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony, and logic. Until the day of my death, I shall proclaim this principle with all the force of my lungs (which alas! is all too inadequate)."
-Frederic Bastiat 'The Law'

Mike,

You bring up a valid point - we live in a debt system controlled by bankers - the government taught to us in school is a facade - government revenue is created money. We might as well all grab our piece.

However I refuse to participate in Bastiat's Option #2.

Many collectives in American history have felt unjustly plundered (unions, minorities, political parties, activist groups, businesses etc.) They then fought to change the system. Once they gained some power in the system they faced a decision: 1) End the plunder or 2) Take their share of the plunder. The decision is always #2.

The purpose of the law in the United States is perverted. Instead of securing our lives, liberty and property it is manipulated by everyone working to plunder everyone.

Since I favor Bastiat's #3 - Nobody plunders anybody: I choose not to participate in welfare handouts and object to the creation/promotion of laws related to legal plunder and government transfer payments.

The current welfare state encourages dependency, it is becoming an unquestioned cultural norm and essential in the transformation of people into sheep. I choose instead to discuss and promote self sustainability and charity.

I feel Ron Paul supports my stance considering he did not accept Medicaid from patients and instead of taking all they're worth from the government he operated out of charity.

Since you asked I explained my thoughts - In my explanation I include no personal attacks or prejudice towards you.

You are participating in

You are participating in welfare handouts, as long as you are contributing any resources that are being handed out.

The only way to not contribute to net handouts, is to make sure you are taking more out than you are putting it. Bleeding the Beast, in other words. But then also making sure you in the process in no way become dependent on the Beast's blood, to ensure your resolve in fighting the Beast is in no way compromised.

For a concrete example, grab as much "welfare" handouts as you can; but make sure every penny is donated to C4L, for example.

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Looking into food stamps

I did a food stamp application/calculator on line being honest, knowing that I wouldn't quality (I have a decent income).

But I imagine that they must get a lot of BS'ers with a lot of unverifiable claims.

What's the opinion on a little fraud here to get the benefits? What's the morality if I were to skip a few showers, lie about my income/assets, etc.? Presuming they don't or I make it so they can't check?

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

When You Get To Reading "Mark Twain..." I Will Agree With You.

I can't understand myself either.

Start with short essays. Work up to the biographies. Make sure yours is written before you pass away; seems to take forever getting your things done after you are gone.

Mark Twain Autobiography Available 100 Years Late. Wrote This One Myself. Procrastinated.
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/135632

Please take no offense. None meant. Sincerely,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

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Named my boy Huck

Hi Mr. Twain,

I named my boy "Huck", not in direct homage, but in no small way because of how much I adore the book "Huck Finn". I haven't his essays though.

thanks!

(here he is:)


http://www.happytills.com/july10/Images/82.jpg

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Super! Life is good.

The short essays may be to your liking. The ones attached to the links are just a page or so, relevant to the problems we face today. Theodore Roosevelt wars, bank bailouts, banker mischief, and similar nonsense.

"It makes no sense." Laments Dr Ron Paul 2010

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

You make good points

I'll ask this just to keep the conversation alive: How do you plunder nothing?

Austrian Economics In a

Austrian Economics
In a complete free market there is no government theft therefore no pot to plunder.

Austrian economics sets up a fairly Utopian view - I consider myself a believer in the school of thought but have difficulty imagining some public services supplied by the free market. Though I would love to see how it turns out.

I myself am not absent of hypocrisy. I am guilty of enjoying the plunder of others through the use of public services. As a city councilman I am extremely guilty of overseeing the plunder of my residents, often at their own request (suburban municipal government is extremely trying for a libertarian). So it is with government transfer payments I decide personally to draw the line.

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I don't think eve fairly strict Austrian schoolers

Would condemn local charity or even city-level welfare if its citizens agree.

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

Still the money itself represents nothing

There's no plunder involved. Bits of electronic data flow from one account to another. Can electrons be plundered? We're talking past each other and we're in full agreement.
I was a Mayor, I feel your pain. They (constituents) beg for government.

I hear ya.

Folks drawing unemployment

Folks drawing unemployment should continue to draw unemployment --26 weeks or 26 years-- until the unemployment numbers are down to 6% or less. The Federal government has herded the American worker on to a rusting troop carrier against their will. Damned if they should be allowed to pull the plug on it until it reaches the shore.

People are not losing their jobs, homes, and other tangible goods because they want unemployment. The government has just rammed approximately one trillion dollars down the throats of the banksters without blinking an eye. When the Federal Reserve runs out of ink and paper -- or computers, then it will be the time to consider ending unemployment benefits and not before.

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Agree sort of

At this point, people might as well take them, the quicker they will bankrupt the federal government, and perhaps I would get them to just for a sense of restitution.

but there is something about people taking the stuff just because they can or are lazy that bothers me to the bone.

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

It feels wrong, and if the system wasn't a fraud it would be

But the system's a fraud. It's the non-lazy people who follow the fradulent rules without question or protest that suffer the most. But it's only a blow to their values. A lazy guy down the street doesn't make my life any harder or easier. I'd never take any welfare or contribute to the pot that feeds it.

true--but while we qualify for food stamps and don't use them--

we would rather not have our name(s) on *their* lists--

of coures, it's ludicrous to think *we* aren't already on lists, but at least not on the food stamps/state health care lists--

it's interesting eating out of a garden this time of year--

very interesting; you eat what grew well--and if your crop failed in a particular area you don't eat those foods--

!

Let them take food stamps; I will eat my garden veggies and take care of myself, thank you very much--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Well...

obviously there is a large demand for a socialistic democracy...hmmmm, we still have a long way to go

Unemployment: Legal Fiction

Unemployment doesn't work. The line is too long!

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Thank you

corporate bankers of Amerika and friends!

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Oops!

Mustn't forget to thank Wall Street and those wonderful stockbrokers, as well!

"While financial advisors are held to a fiduciary standard, insurance and stockbrokers are only held to a suitability standard. A suitability standard expects brokers to align client investments with client financial goals. Sounds harmless enough, but in actuality this leaves a lot of loopholes for brokers. The potential risk of suggested investments could be harmful to clients, and brokers would not be considered at fault."

http://www.mybanktracker.com/bank-news/2010/06/17/congress-m...

Anybody know why we now have record numbers of stockbrokers being elected to public office these days? Just wondering...

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

most of my friends, even those not pro-war and . . .

not anti-Islam, etc.--

even those who question Glenn Beck--

most of them do not, quite, yet see that the banks are why we are in trouble.

Most of them do believe that the social programs have 'killed' us--

and to some extent they have done us no good--

I have some good friends who have worked very hard; they do not believe in the expansion of American empire and question all the wars, but they would be in great pain if they didn't get their social security--and they can't see the federal reserve/economic collapse connection--

these are people who have lived frugally, out of debt--and garden extensively.

If they lost their S.S. things would be tough.

(They are 10 years older than spouse and me and have been retired for well over 10 years, both well-educated)

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I teach high school social

I teach high school social studies - my US history course (post reconstruction to today) will focus on the steps that put banks and corporations in charge and expanded our empire.
I've taught the course three times already but I feel this time I created the framework to pull it together.

I Hope My Writing Well Help

I am also very interested in American history. In parallel with my upbringing, learned from my travels from about 1850 to 1910. I sincerely hope some of my material presented here will help your students.

Hope they'll write some of their own history.

Regards,

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Bless you, and please

teach "our" children well (somebody's got to do it).

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"Stand up for what you believe in. Even if you stand alone."
~ Sophie Magdalena Scholl
"Let it not be said that we did nothing."
~ Ron Paul
"You must be the change you want to see in the world."
~ Mahatma Gandhi