Video of Beck's rally published by newleftmedia.com
Submitted by rhino on Thu, 09/09/2010 - 17:19and commentary over at Bradblog.com ...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8051
The funny thing is that US (The Ron Paul Republicans) and THEM (The moveon.org/George Soros progressives) have more in common than that other group of people that call themselves the Republicans and the Democrats.
War
Corporatism
Monetary Policy
Legalizing drugs
Keeping government out of gay marriage, out of abortion, out of our bedrooms.
We have some common enemies too ...
The FED
Fox news
Boehner & McConnell
The Military Industrial Complex
Big Pharma
Big Agra
This alliance is going to happen or we are doomed.
Who is going to reach out first?
I would prefer it to be us.
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New Left, Old Left--The Lesser of Two Lefts?
Where's the outrage? This is clearly a divisive hit piece. Nothing "New Media" about that. Same old same old.
I'll leave it at that, and simply suggest NOT pigeon-holing T-Baggers.
Undo what Wilson did
It wasn't just Fox News that brainwashed them...
...it was the churches...who are lining up to MARRY the STATE!
We best think LONG and HARD before we ALSO blindly agree that there is "strength in numbers"; since we know the "right" is banking on that(which is why they are courting the Evangelicals with the Christian Nation ruse) - the left hate God, and they are predominately post-religious ... that is what a PROGRESSIVE really is ... God wound up the planet 4.6 Billion years ago, let it go, and BIG BANG here's humanity with no idea what to do!(other than what they WANT to do, with no RULES from some super-natural source that doesn't speak in an audible voice to us)
Liberty, my friends is the GOAL - and Liberty will come through the SHRINKING of government ... this movement is about TRUTH, and economic facts/realities that also HURT ...
I see the opportunity, but here's the catch ... I can get along with, and strive with, the non-religious "leftie" all day; we can agree on the fact that immoral and hypocritical people run our government ... but, if their "moral compass" is moral relativism, then, they too are just another group of post-religious progressives; jealous, envious, and covetous of political power - which means - they are NO BETTER than the current crop of Democrats and Republicans running this nation in the ground now!
They too are first and foremost, just as intolerant of the learned(fundamentalist Christian) as Glenn Beck's current clan of Christian followers are; and his Christians would tell you all day that they are in agreement with my(our) principles too!
These people are under-educated, severely biased towards the mindset that government's role is to play referee and provide solutions to everything; and they're always looking for the QUICK way out of this claiming judge not when they screw up.
We need people who have done HARD self-study, not another created voting bloc of fused factions that formed an "alliance" based on mutual hatred for out-of-control aristocracies.
Neither camp, George Soros lefties, or Glenn Beck's evangelical righties have got two-brain cells of God-inspired discernment about them that understand what Liberty means, or WHERE it comes from!
At this point, if we are SERIOUS about restoring our Republic; this is about our POSTERITY, not us anymore ... "We The People" must see to it that God(not government) will be pleased to give Liberty to a new crop of uncorrupted, double-minded, innocent Americans not yet born ...
Having the Ron Paul Revolution try to find common ground with the God-hating left would grind this revolution to a halt; and that is what I call, a Trojan Horse!!!
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finally had a chance to
finally had a chance to watch...Those people are nothing but parrots, repeating, echoing things they hear..from Glenn Beck, Bill O'reilly, "my sister in Arizona", Fox news...
When I hear the word "progressives" I know i've been listening to a Fox news watcher.
I'm not saying their ideas are wrong...Or that I don't agree with a tiny bit of what they said...
but I am of the firm belief that someone must know why they believe something..not just the what they believe. because someone told them...
turn off the tv...investigate...
and for pete's sake...DO NOT forget the last 8 years under Bush the 2nd.
"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32
I know it was set up to make the tea party look bad...
but that video scared me more than any horror movie I've ever seen. It makes me really want to move out of the states, lest my family and I drown in ignorance.
Mr. Scott Ryan
you have a point.
Political Ideology is a circle. If you go far enough left or far enough right, you meet people who think just like you do.
We should definitely find common ground and work together for the nation that the founders intended.
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That is exactly what I was thinking ...
but I could not summarize it like you did.
Thank you.
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The unspoken difference
is that the progressives want to get rid of those things, and replace them with gov't control over everything.
And the DP people want to get rid of those things and replace them with freedom.
The two couldn't be more polar-opposite.
Thinking there is common ground is a sham.
It's like two gardeners.
One gardener wants to pull out a weed and plant a tree.
The other one wants to pull a weed and plant a gov't regulatory office that controls everything within 100 square miles.
Are they they the same?
No.
You are exactly right!! I am
You are exactly right!! I am sad to see that RP people believe that libertarians have an ally with progressives (their goal is to progress past the consitution and the free market and replace it with socialsm.)
Please everyone, research progressivism. Yes it's nice to hear Kusinich talk about ending the war, or Frank about auditing the Federal Reserve, but they do not have the same objectives as we do. Please do more research and you'll see this.
And here is where the debate should be.
I still think you are stuck on the idea that every single progressive citizen out there believes that the only means is socialism.
We need to debate this.
If you tell a citizen progressive that I also agree with legalizing drugs, what are they going to do?
They are going to engage in debate instead of attack.
If you tell a citizen progressive that I also believe that we should not engage in pre-emptive war and that the patriot act is a violation of our civil rights, what are they going to do?
They are going to engage in debate instead of attack.
If you tell a citizen progressive that I to think the social conservatives got it wrong on abortion, gay marriage, education, etc, etc., what are they going to do?
They are going to engage in debate instead of attack.
It is about ideas not ideology.
It is about ideas not a person.
It is about ideas not hate or love or any other emotion in between.
In my district Steve Driehaus(D) is running against "bank bailout" Steve Chabot(R). If Alan Grayson or Nadar or Dennis K. was running against Chabot as a Democrat I would be voting Democratic. Would you?
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I have tried on Daily Kos...
And they agree with me until I mention Dr. Paul and then it all starts from them, "kook, racist, extremist, too far right..."
Here are my diaries: http://www.dailykos.com/search?offset=0&old_count=30&string=...
Rand Paul 2016 for Peace
This type of conversation has to occur on a personal level.
The dailykos is great to read. I prefer watching Olbermann, Mathews, Schultz, and Maddow over Beck, Hannity, and O'Reiley any day, but forget about convincing anyone in this party to choose us over anybody else.
The thing is that if enough people choose the Judge, Stossel, and Ratigan to watch, they become prime time shows.
That is how it is done.
Spread the word to your friends.
Debate in person.
And love thy neighbor.
It is about ideas, not persons or personalities.
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Ok,
and what would be the "debate" if the candidate was from Stormfront or David Duke, and he was against bank bailouts and against the war and against the Patriot Act, and the other mainstream candidates were for the bank bailouts?
Hmmm?
Is it ok to vote Dem or Repub mainstreamers who like bailouts then?
Would that be an over-riding factor against them at that point? Or would you support the Stormfronter anyway because he is in more agreement on those key issues?
There is quite a bit there.
Could I vote for a candidate running for national office that states that he/she is pro audit the fed, in favor of bringing home the troops, etc., etc., but is a known member of the KKK or some other racist, or bigoted organization?
That would bring up all kinds of red flags in my mind. Bigotry is a symptom of dishonesty and/or ignorance.
In other words, if Ron Paul was a member of the KKK, I could not vote for him.
If he was in favor of extending Social Security indefinitely and all else being equal, I could vote for him as long as his justification made since.
If Ron Paul voted to invade Mexico without a declaration of war and all else being equal, I could still vote for him as long as his justification made since.
If he was a card carrying member of the KKK, unless there is some sort of justification that I have not heard yet, I could not vote for him.
Let’s go the other way.
Could I ever see myself voting for Barney Frank?
Could I ever see myself voting for Nancy Pelosy?
Could I ever see myself voting for Harry Reid?
Do you know what the sick thing is?
I actually could see a situation where I could vote for all of them. None of them are statesmen. They are all politicians. That means they would bend to the prevailing winds, which makes them useful politicians. The problem is that they are in leadership roles, and I could never vote for them if that vote meant maintaining the status quo.
Let us go in another direction ...
Would I demean someone who constantly posts racist and bigoted comments here at the DP?
I would, and I do quite frequently.
Would I vote for them if they lived in my state or district?
Probably not, but it depends.
Have I answered your questions?
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Yes, thanks.
.
Do the ends justify the means?
There are limits.
Ron Paul has them.
We all have them.
Vote your conscience.
Do what you think is best.
We all have our roles.
Do you get my drift?
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Interesting choice of question.
Loosely attributable to Machiavelli, but popularized by Trotsky.
It's a leftist/statist mantra.