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NO REAL FARMS, NO REAL FOOD: Farming Without a License is a Criminal Enterprise

Throughout this nation it is becoming commonplace for state and federal governments to raid food buying clubs, private food co-ops, family farms and even micro farms. The reason these raids are taking place is that the FDA has determined that we are not smart enough to decide what we want to eat. They are making sure that we have a hard time getting food that is actually good for us and fulfilling their public health mission.
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Mr. Potato Head goes to pieces!

The solution to this is to alternate your crops.

Potato, potato, landmine, potato, landmine, potato, potato, potato.

Landmine, potato, potato, landmine, potato, potato, potato, potato.

Potato, landmine, landmine, landmine, potato, potato, potato, landmine.

Just keep doing that in a random fashion and that should damper any of those lil feral government critters traipsing round your victory garden.

I am out of touch with most Americans precisely because I am not out of touch with reality.

This has already been debunked in another thread:

http://dailypaul.com/node/142382#comment-1532685

People really need to start reading the law and the bill.

The UNCHANGED portion of the law that applies directly to this OP is that the Secretary shall NOT have the power to require licenses, AND that this law does NOT apply to "farms, restaurants, non-profit establishments, or fishing vessels." (paraphrase - see the linked comment for exact quote and link to the current law)

There is MASSIVE DANGER in presuming that a bill does something it does not and cannot.

Posts like these, and the articles they link to only serve to "give" Congress power it not only does not have, but isn't even trying to take. (at least not with the language of the bills. If the point is to trick lazy people who don't read the laws into complying with them, then they are doing a good job of it)

In summary:

  1. neither present law, or s510 which amends present law, requires a license to farm, garden, etc. You will NOT be required to obtain a license to grow your own food.

    Anyone, including Congress or any federal agent, claiming that you do is ignorant of what the law actually says.

  2. neither the provisions of the present law (Food and Drug Safety Act) or s510 (Modernization Act) apply to farms, restaurants, non-profit establishments, or fishing vessels.

    So if you have a farm, garden, restaurant, fishing vessel, or if you have an otherwise covered food processing facility that is NON-PROFIT, then none of the provisions of this new bill or the old law it modifies apply to you. You can safely ignore them.

    Anyone, including Congress or any federal agent, claiming that it does is ignorant of what the law actually says.

  3. Flying off at the handle without due diligence is creating the very situation you are crying about.

    Congress has very few and limited powers. That is a definitive statement. It is not open for debate or interpretation. Those powers number 18 and are found in Article 1 section 8 of the US Constitution. Congress CAN NOT take power it doesn't have.

    It CAN, write a law that people don't bother to read, CLAIM that it does "x" to "y" (or everyone) and so people comply with it when if they just READ THE DAMNED LAW, they'd realize the ruse and not bother.

    Crying "wolf" that Congress is seizing power, when they can't and are not doing so via a bill, is DE FACTO, granting the argument that they can't or aren't.

    Don't you folks GET this?

CHALLENGE Congress on everything. And I mean everything. The laws are specific and clear in this case. No ambiguity. They are NOT doing what the OP is warning us about, so claiming they are, is de facto granting that if the bill passes, we all have to have licenses to grow our own food or sell it locally. THIS IS NOT THE CASE.

But making these ridiculous and unfounded claims, gets people to "believe" that the law does require this, and so many will comply even if they don't have to. The Feds will not prevent you from asking for a license even if the law is clear that you aren't required to get one, or even if there is no such thing at all. They will happily allow you to claim the act applies to you so they can then justify their jobs and begin inspecting your personal garden.

Then when someone who knows better, grows a garden and/or sells their produce locally, even maybe canning or preserving some of it, doesn't get a license or file paperwork with the various agencies, the Feds will come a knockin' because by then "everyone just 'knows' that the law requires you to do so." (when of course it doesn't) After a few decades of this, judges will consider you claiming the law says no such thing as a "frivolous" argument and put you in jail just for making it. They will not allow you to "bring or argue the law" in their courtroom. And so even though the law NEVER required you to get a license and submit to inspections, you go to jail anyway for not doing it.

And all because a bunch of "Chicken Littles" were too damned lazy to read a bill and a law.

THIS is how tyranny happens folks. Slow, but steady, through ignorance.

Just another step forward in

Just another step forward in the UN Codex Alimentarius plan. It is real, it is here. Wether this bill passes or not is irelevant. The FDA is already enforcing it on organic and raw milk farmers.

There is no Left or Right -- there is only freedom or tyranny. Everything else is an illusion, an obfuscation to keep you confused and silent as the world burns around you." - Philip Brennan

"Invest only in things that you can stand in front of and pr

Don't be to sure of yourself

of the end results-- because these types of requirements are ALREADY being implemented at farmers markets, and food sources supplying organic restaurants, and it is forbidden to sell out of the home or in private clubs. I am not going to go into the code words in the proposed law that mean certain things that cannot be understood without knowing current law/rules and policies. Implementation is demonstrated by the actions taken in these precedent-setting cases and current rules.

This is the trick played in the section you cite.

These types of requirements CANNOT be implemented

unless ignorant people who are willfully lazy and wish to remain ignorant allow it to happen.

And every ignorant lazy person who complies because he is "told to" rather than because the law actually requires it, IS PART OF THE PROBLEM, as they are making it more difficult for those who know better to go about their life free from harassment by government.

Even the specifics of the law in question aside (which specifically say it DOES NOT APPLY TO FARMS AND NO LICENSES SHALL BE REQUIRED) you have an inalienable right to sustain your own life. You also have an inalienable right to the results of the fruits (literally in this case) of your labor.

Licenses to grow your own food, or sell your excess produce do not have, and CANNOT have, any legitimacy in a free society, based on law. Your rights CANNOT be taken from you. But through your own ignorance and apathy, not only can you not stand up for them and defend them, but by failing to do so, you create an even more difficult situation for those who do. With your compliance with edicts in the face of contrary law and rights, you are feeding and reinforcing the mantra that government CAN make you do whatever they want, even though they have no power to do so. You are empowering them by your unrequired compliance.

People who comply with a law they do not have to comply with are, in my book, domestic enemies of the constitution. They are perhaps ignorant of their treachery, but the effect is still the same.

Once this is pointed out, if such people continue to comply, or continue to reinforce the idea that government can do whatever the hell it wants to us, then they are willful domestic enemies, and at that point, I consider them traitors of the worst and most insidious kind.

In addition,

Congress delegates the legislation to the appropriate agencies, whose bureaucrats implement the rules they create. The bureaucrats hold most of the power.

Their counterparts enforce at the state and local levels who are usually blind to the real agenda formulated in concert with the corporate desires and the UN and other global powers dictates.

Those that accuse others like the author of this article of causing the problems are being tricked by the language of the bill and the prose of the NGOs who promote it. It's thinking like this that has caused much of the problems, aside from the point of the greed for the money and control that drives it.

The outlawing of farms is not efficient, but their direct or indirect control is better, through licensing, rules and fees.

What part of the law that specifically states it does NOT

grant the authority to require licenses, or that this law does NOT apply to farms, do you not understand?

The problem IS people do not learn the law. So they comply when they don't have to. That makes it harder for people who know the law, to not comply. (they aren't complying because they aren't required to)

When stupid people do things just because they are told to, they make it more difficult for people who know better to live without being harassed by ignorant bureaucrats.

Congress has NO authority to require you to obtain a license to grow food, or to prohibit you from selling your own produce. Crying like Chicken Little that if this new bill passes, such licenses will be required is the first step in GRANTING THE ARGUMENT to them which empowers them to proceed with a licensing scheme that has NO BASIS IN LAW. It is NOT in the bill or in present law, and in fact is SPECIFICALLY barred.

Continuing to claim that this bill does what the OP claims IS THE PROBLEM. It is irresponsible, incorrect, and damaging to liberty.

If Congress really were trying to pass a bill with such requirements, I'd be all over it and applaud the OP's efforts, but they are not doing that. Claiming they are is almost tantamount to a dis-info agent that is trying to plant the seed in people's minds that it is even POSSIBLE for Congress to expand its power into this arena.

What should be done in such cases, is just what I did:

point out how the law DOES NOT grant this "new power" and then show why even if it were ambiguous (in this case it isn't) that Congress still doesn't get new powers from laws it passes. It can only get them by acquiescence and submission by an ignorant populace.

The proper thing to do is remind everyone of Congress' limitations and nip the idea in the bud.

You don't go into court and concede jurisdiction right off the bat and expect to win.

Neither do you concede authority grabs or make claims of authority grabs if they are not possible, and especially if they aren't even occurring.

Saying "NO" early and often, and then backing that up with "why" is always the route that preserves liberty.

FREEDOM!

@J@

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

Hay Raw

How do you catch all my posts? You comment on all of them. It has been a hot week.

Good grief

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"...a nation that is afraid to let its people

judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people." -John F. Kennedy

"The bottom line of all of this is that if you are interested in agriculture, meaning you have an interest in continuing to eat food, you must become an ‘agtivist’. No Farmers-No Food."
-Doreen Hannes

is a homesteading mom, and a truly grass roots activist for small scale and traditional farming rights. She has thoroughly researched the origins and impacts of “Free Trade” agreements and National Animal Identification System in particular and has been a major force in the anti-NAIS movement both nationally and in Missouri for over a year.

Her mission is to expose the procedures and methods being employed to destroy the God given rights of this once great republic. Doreen is a frequent guest on talk radio programs and has written extensively on the NAIS.

Farm Food Freedom Wars Escalate in US
Submitted by Augie on Sat, 05/29/2010
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/136202

And never forget, “Humans, despite our artistic pretensions, our sophistication and many accomplishments, owe the fact of our existence to a six-inch layer of topsoil and the fact that it rains.”

I like agvitists and

I like lactivists - for raw milk!

Persecution

I suppose this could be a type of religious persecution.

reedr3v's picture

Presumably you're speaking of the fanatical

cult of pasteurization-believers and their witch hunt against non-cultists.